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Posted: 5/21/2016 8:12:26 PM EDT
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The more companies, the better. But I'll forever buy suppressors that are made by companies that specialize in designing, building and servicing suppressors.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 9:12:16 PM EDT
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So what do you consider "underwhelming" if they're exactly the same? Just that it's not a new product? Yes, it's nothing new or exciting. It's a Silencerco suppressor with a new label. And if they're significantly cheaper than the Silencerco counterparts, it's going to kill the sales of the Silencerco versions. Who would pay more for an Omega when the same suppressor can be bought for less under the Blackhawk name? And if the price ends up being the same or higher, you have to wonder what's the point. To me, it sounds like ATK wanted to get into the suppressor business and decided it would be cheaper to license out a current product rather than buy a whole company or develop their own products. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 9:23:53 PM EDT
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I don't think they'll be any cheaper than current SilencerCo cans. They told me $1,050 on the Omega 30 variant and $649 IIRC on the Specwar 556K style.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I handled them at the NRA show. They're all rebranded Silencerco models. Looks, feel, weight, size, all identical to Silencerco other than the outer tube design. The mounts and end caps are clearly Silencerco. They're pretty underwhelming. It looks like the lineup consists of rebranded: Omega Omega 9K Octane 45 Spectre II Specwar 556K Harvester It looks like this is a budget version of the SiCo models, and I think it will hurt the SiCo reputation in the long run. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So what do you consider "underwhelming" if they're exactly the same? Just that it's not a new product? |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it's nothing new or exciting. It's a Silencerco suppressor with a new label. And if they're significantly cheaper than the Silencerco counterparts, it's going to kill the sales of the Silencerco versions. Who would pay more for an Omega when the same suppressor can be bought for less under the Blackhawk name? And if the price ends up being the same or higher, you have to wonder what's the point. To me, it sounds like ATK wanted to get into the suppressor business and decided it would be cheaper to license out a current product rather than buy a whole company or develop their own products. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what do you consider "underwhelming" if they're exactly the same? Just that it's not a new product? Yes, it's nothing new or exciting. It's a Silencerco suppressor with a new label. And if they're significantly cheaper than the Silencerco counterparts, it's going to kill the sales of the Silencerco versions. Who would pay more for an Omega when the same suppressor can be bought for less under the Blackhawk name? And if the price ends up being the same or higher, you have to wonder what's the point. To me, it sounds like ATK wanted to get into the suppressor business and decided it would be cheaper to license out a current product rather than buy a whole company or develop their own products. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:42:31 PM EDT
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:24:02 PM EDT
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Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:37:16 PM EDT
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ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. Maybe I misunderstood. Blackhawk moved from ATK Sporting and is under Vista Outdoors...but I thought that was part of ATK? 
ATK.com takes you to this info: 
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:44:28 PM EDT
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Maybe I misunderstood. Blackhawk moved from ATK Sporting and is under Vista Outdoors...but I thought that was part of ATK?
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. Maybe I misunderstood. Blackhawk moved from ATK Sporting and is under Vista Outdoors...but I thought that was part of ATK?
ATK.com takes you to this info: Vista Outdoor is the commercial spin-off and is it's own publicly-traded company. Suppressors would have likely never been considered while under the ATK umbrella. Vista Brands |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:15:57 AM EDT
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Vista Outdoor is the commercial spin-off and is it's own publicly-traded company. Suppressors would have likely never been considered while under the ATK umbrella. Vista Brands Gotcha. The link to Vista in the screenshot I posted takes you to the same list. I incorrectly interpreted the info to say it was still a spin-off of ATK under a different name. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:15:43 AM EDT
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Side note, Maybe Blackhawk! knows cans are coming off the NFA ....... Yes. Blackhawk knows more about what is happening to the NFA registry than the ASA, NRA, and all the major manufacturers/ vendors. Those crazy rascals. And they would have gotten away with it too.................. 
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Posted: 5/22/2016 3:18:06 AM EDT
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Vista Outdoor is the commercial spin-off and is it's own publicly-traded company. Suppressors would have likely never been considered while under the ATK umbrella. Vista Brands Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. Maybe I misunderstood. Blackhawk moved from ATK Sporting and is under Vista Outdoors...but I thought that was part of ATK?
ATK.com takes you to this info: Vista Outdoor is the commercial spin-off and is it's own publicly-traded company. Suppressors would have likely never been considered while under the ATK umbrella. Vista Brands I assume the new management at Vista is the reason Savage changed their logo to something from this century. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 6:38:31 AM EDT
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ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atk? Parent company. Google "ATK Blackhawk" and read all you want to about it. ATK no longer owns Blackhawk nor any of the other commercial brands that used to be under ATK. They have been under a separate parent company for over a year now. As mentioned, it's just a spin off company to split the defense brands from the commercial brands, but the point is the same. I'm sure Vista looked at aquiring a silencer company and finally settled on a licensing deal with Silencerco. We will see how consumers respond but I'd be kind of surprised if they do well over the long term. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 10:36:38 AM EDT
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The styling of these may appeal more to the next generation of shooters. I'm 33 and not sure I would get one even at a significant price reduction from the SilencerCo counterpart. Now my son has a different opinion altogether and told me to buy all of them!
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:56:31 AM EDT
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I'd buy a rebranded Omega 9k for cheap enough Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I handled them at the NRA show. They're all rebranded Silencerco models. Looks, feel, weight, size, all identical to Silencerco other than the outer tube design. The mounts and end caps are clearly Silencerco. They're pretty underwhelming. It looks like the lineup consists of rebranded: Omega Omega 9K Octane 45 Spectre II Specwar 556K Harvester It looks like this is a budget version of the SiCo models, and I think it will hurt the SiCo reputation in the long run. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'd buy a rebranded Omega 9k for cheap enough absolutely |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 9:39:06 PM EDT
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports.
It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 9:43:04 PM EDT
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports. It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 10:26:42 PM EDT
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I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports. It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. How did that conversation go? They dodged or what? |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 10:43:24 PM EDT
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Standard "licensing agreement" response from SiCo.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 11:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Standard "licensing agreement" response from SiCo. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:07:27 AM EDT
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How did that conversation go? They dodged or what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports. It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. How did that conversation go? They dodged or what? I'd call it a dodge. I straight asked if SilencerCo made them or if it was some sort of license and I still don't truly know the answer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 6:04:31 AM EDT
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Standard "licensing agreement" response from SiCo. SilencerCo and Blackhawk have a strategic partnership that involves a licensing agreement. Blackhawk has been a leading brand in the tactical space for over 20 years and SilencerCo is the undisputed silencer market leader. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 10:41:41 AM EDT
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Standard "licensing agreement" response from SiCo. SilencerCo and Blackhawk have a strategic partnership that involves a licensing agreement. Blackhawk has been a leading brand in the tactical space for over 20 years and SilencerCo is the undisputed silencer market leader. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 10:42:47 AM EDT
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I'd call it a dodge. I straight asked if SilencerCo made them or if it was some sort of license and I still don't truly know the answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports. It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. How did that conversation go? They dodged or what? I'd call it a dodge. I straight asked if SilencerCo made them or if it was some sort of license and I still don't truly know the answer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 11:49:04 AM EDT
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I'd imagine neither party wants to discuss it if Silencerco is making them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have confirmation on where these are being made? I'm getting conflicting reports. It's a big difference on made by SiCo vs designed by SiCo and made by Blackhawk! I asked at NRAAM and didn't get an answer. How did that conversation go? They dodged or what? I'd call it a dodge. I straight asked if SilencerCo made them or if it was some sort of license and I still don't truly know the answer. No doubt. I didn't expect a straight answer, but its obviously a question worth asking. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt. I didn't expect a straight answer, but its obviously a question worth asking. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:41:20 PM EDT
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I work for vista (different group than BH). The employee discount would need to be pretty darn good if Sico is not making them. If they are re-branded Sicos and they are offered at vista employee pricing I will buy a boatload of them.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:33:18 PM EDT
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I'd imagine neither party wants to discuss it if Silencerco is making them. Am I the only one who thinks that's a good thing? SiCo has a very good reputation for CS and product performance. They've also been around a while, and that carries weight with me since they are more likely to be around in 5 or 10 years if I need service. BLACKHAWKOMG!*@!^ is a bit cheesy, but the new cans look interesting. I'm more apt to try them than some of the other brands that have been popping up. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I the only one who thinks that's a good thing? SiCo has a very good reputation for CS and product performance. They've also been around a while, and that carries weight with me since they are more likely to be around in 5 or 10 years if I need service. BLACKHAWKOMG!*@!^ is a bit cheesy, but the new cans look interesting. I'm more apt to try them than some of the other brands that have been popping up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd imagine neither party wants to discuss it if Silencerco is making them. Am I the only one who thinks that's a good thing? SiCo has a very good reputation for CS and product performance. They've also been around a while, and that carries weight with me since they are more likely to be around in 5 or 10 years if I need service. BLACKHAWKOMG!*@!^ is a bit cheesy, but the new cans look interesting. I'm more apt to try them than some of the other brands that have been popping up. |
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