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Posted: 5/4/2016 1:30:06 PM EDT
I bought this can for the ability to switch between the standard and short 'K' configuration. However, I'm having issues getting the thing a part to make the switch. The most problematic area is the little ring on the back end of the suppressor. I've circled it in red.
The instructions say to use the provided loc-tite on this area, but I have problems getting it loose without the loc-tite. I've tried pieces of rubber to grip the can and the ring without much success. That ring is so small and hard to get a grip on. I finally managed to wrap the can enough to use channel locks, though I did leave a slight mark on the spacer piece. I don't want to have to fight this thing every time I want to go from short to long configuration. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a suppressor that is marketed giving the impression it's an easy task to go from standard to short configuration. Anyone have any methods they've come up with to address this issue? I was thinking maybe a couple of rubber pipe wrenches may work, if I can get them small enough. But I hate to keep buying things that may not work. |
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Holy crap where/how did you get that? Maybe mine came with the ring it did by mistake. I'll contact Griffin and see what they say!
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I just noticed on Griffins website that they upated the whole Revolution 9 with the resistance features. They now come with take down tools and are notched for tool usage. There is also now a mini half baffle at the front of the stack?
Maybe the Griffin Rep can give us some more info. It would be really nice to have at least the piston removal tool. I ordered my Revo 9 about 6 months ago and it just got here. |
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Holy crap where/how did you get that? Maybe mine came with the ring it did by mistake. I'll contact Griffin and see what they say! View Quote It's a SHOT Show 2016 video. the notched feature came out with the Resistance so I wouldn't expect versions of the Revolution predating the Resistance to have those features. |
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The slotted ring is part of an upgrade package to the suppressor series. The best way to get the original design apart is to use either a red Klien tools strap wrench, or a channel lock pliers. The pliers can be used with cardboard or something similar to protect the finish of the part, or the pliers can just be used by itself if you don't care about the finish of the ring.
We don't slot the parts as a service, and we don't currently offer an upgrade because we are producing to meet demand. If an upgrade is offered, it will probably be a $160 service to replace both outside and inside booster housing components. Those are 17-4, billet machined, and are expensive and time consuming to manufacture. |
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Just got a message from Griffin:
"The hex tool will be available on the website within the next 3-5 days. An upgrade will possibly be offered in the future, more info will be posted when/if that becomes available. -Griffin Armament Tech Support" |
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Was wondering how the heck I'm supposed to get this thing apart later with no place to grab it with a tool.
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Strap wrench has saved me so far with my ASR mounts and now with these.
Dumb question: Engraving feels super shallow on my Rev9 compared to my Omega. Is there a risk of engraving becoming illegible if paint is applied? Should it feel really shallow? |
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Dumb question: Engraving feels super shallow on my Rev9 compared to my Omega. Is there a risk of engraving becoming illegible if paint is applied? Should it feel really shallow? View Quote The minimum depth is .003", which is about the thickness of a sheet of newspaper or notebook paper. Most engravings are much deeper, which is what you're used to seeing. |
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I too have had a very difficult time getting that ring loose and ended up nicking mine up changing configuring using channel locks. I haven't even put any round through it yet. My solution is leaving it in full sized configuration and buying a Octane 45K. I also have a Obsidian pending and it looks like it can be switched around much easier than the Revolution.
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The slotted ring is part of an upgrade package to the suppressor series. The best way to get the original design apart is to use either a red Klien tools strap wrench. View Quote Is this the one you'd recommend? Klein Tools S-6H Grip-It 6-Inch Strap Wrench with 1-1/2-to-5-Inch Capacity, Silver/Red https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000DIN9P/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awd_YxNkxbRVH2PEB |
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The slotted ring is part of an upgrade package to the suppressor series. The best way to get the original design apart is to use either a red Klien tools strap wrench, or a channel lock pliers. The pliers can be used with cardboard or something similar to protect the finish of the part, or the pliers can just be used by itself if you don't care about the finish of the ring. We don't slot the parts as a service, and we don't currently offer an upgrade because we are producing to meet demand. If an upgrade is offered, it will probably be a $160 service to replace both outside and inside booster housing components. Those are 17-4, billet machined, and are expensive and time consuming to manufacture. View Quote I ordered Revolution 9 from Silencer shop early Jan, 2016. How do I know it's an upgrade package or not? F4 right now. |
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I used two strap wrenches to take my Rev9 apart. One on each part. No marks or finish damage. If that didn't work I was going to use a heat gun on the outer part (tube) to get it to expand and loosen up but didn't have to.
Has there been any baffle upgrades to the Rev9 to lower the tone? My Rev9 makes my ears ring and my Osprey does not on the same hosts/ammo. The Osprey seems to have a lower tone. |
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This is has been my biggest complaint about the Rev9. Any significant torque on the assembled suppressor tightens down the booster piston housing into the external booster housing and it is nearly impossible to get it unstuck. The first time this happened to my I had to send it back to Griffin Armament for repair. The second time I was able to use a hex key secured in a vice and inserted into the holes of the booster piston housing and finally got the two pieces apart with a strap wrench.
This is also problematic when switching between the piston and 3 lug adapter. My advice is use a liberal amount of anti seize on the threads and hope the parts don't get stuck again. It would be nice if Griffin Armament offered the proposed upgrade free of charge to existing Rev9 owners since this seems to be a design flaw causing this trouble. |
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This is has been my biggest complaint about the Rev9. Any significant torque on the assembled suppressor tightens down the booster piston housing into the external booster housing and it is nearly impossible to get it unstuck. The first time this happened to my I had to send it back to Griffin Armament for repair. The second time I was able to use a hex key secured in a vice and inserted into the holes of the booster piston housing and finally got the two pieces apart with a strap wrench. This is also problematic when switching between the piston and 3 lug adapter. My advice is use a liberal amount of anti seize on the threads and hope the parts don't get stuck again. It would be nice if Griffin Armament offered the proposed upgrade free of charge to existing Rev9 owners since this seems to be a design flaw causing this trouble. View Quote If I know these problems ahead of time, I'd not buy this can. Damn... |
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I'm pretty disappointed in the product as well, and will likely never buy another item from GA.
If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. I don't have much experience with suppressors and sound levels, but it seemed to do great in both normal and short configurations. Tested in indoor range that echoes. |
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If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. View Quote Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv |
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Gimmicky is a better choice of words.
I like the short version for in the home, and the longer version was to be used when I shoot at a place I go regularly. It's outside city limits, but still has neighbors who don't like to hear the shots sometimes. |
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Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv I agree with the only exception being the Salvo 12. |
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Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv I actually think to use both K and long, though. If I plan to stick one version, I'd buy standard can. I was planning to buy their Optimus and/or Alpha from Capitol Armory, but now....definitely holding pattern, or go something else. |
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Wow, I was actually waiting for one to show up in stock at Capitol, but I guess I will look at other options.
Does rugged have a problem similar to this? I see that their short tube is in the front rather than the back. If they have a problem, I just might buy a separate K style and a normal style suppressor from SciCo instead. |
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I actually think to use both K and long, though. If I plan to stick one version, I'd buy standard can. I was planning to buy their Optimus and/or Alpha from Capitol Armory, but now....definitely holding pattern, or go something else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv I actually think to use both K and long, though. If I plan to stick one version, I'd buy standard can. I was planning to buy their Optimus and/or Alpha from Capitol Armory, but now....definitely holding pattern, or go something else. I have an Optimus in jail. I'm not worried about it, it's one issue with one can and they're offering an upgrade as soon as things slow down. I read threads almost every day about people having problems with another "big name" suppressor companies mounts. This seems minor compared to the $$$ those people have invested in what seems to be a problematic mounting system IMO. |
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I have an Optimus in jail. I'm not worried about it, it's one issue with one can and they're offering an upgrade as soon as things slow down. I read threads almost every day about people having problems with another "big name" suppressor companies mounts. This seems minor compared to the $$$ those people have invested in what seems to be a problematic mounting system IMO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv I actually think to use both K and long, though. If I plan to stick one version, I'd buy standard can. I was planning to buy their Optimus and/or Alpha from Capitol Armory, but now....definitely holding pattern, or go something else. I have an Optimus in jail. I'm not worried about it, it's one issue with one can and they're offering an upgrade as soon as things slow down. I read threads almost every day about people having problems with another "big name" suppressor companies mounts. This seems minor compared to the $$$ those people have invested in what seems to be a problematic mounting system IMO. As far as I know, at least this "big name" suppressor company has replaced the mounts for free. How does Griffin expect current owners to disassemble the parts when there's no proper tool provided? Oh...Yes, you can...But you have to pay $160 to upgrade. Seems to me their R&D needs to be "upgrade". Can one "undo" their Form 4? Because if so, I'll undo Form 4 and go with something else. |
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If only using in long configuration, just get the resistance...that's what I did.
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It is hard to swap. After a couple times of shooting and changing it out, you will get fed up and stick with one configuration. My Room mate has one and it gets changed from long to K once in a while, usually when he is putting it in his 9mm SBR. He thought he would change configuration a lot more. As carbon builds in the thread you shouldnt need the loc tite.
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Quoted: As far as I know, at least this "big name" suppressor company has replaced the mounts for free. How does Griffin expect current owners to disassemble the parts when there's no proper tool provided? Oh...Yes, you can...But you have to pay $160 to upgrade. Seems to me their R&D needs to be "upgrade". Can one "undo" their Form 4? Because if so, I'll undo Form 4 and go with something else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If it's not a design flaw, it's certainly a bit of marketing BS. I got the impression it was an easily configurable suppressor.... Between regular and short (k) configuration. It's anything but IMO. Everyone has said from the get go that most people will choose one variation and stick with it. Same goes for the Rugged Surge. User configurable is gimmickie IMHO. Ymmv I actually think to use both K and long, though. If I plan to stick one version, I'd buy standard can. I was planning to buy their Optimus and/or Alpha from Capitol Armory, but now....definitely holding pattern, or go something else. I have an Optimus in jail. I'm not worried about it, it's one issue with one can and they're offering an upgrade as soon as things slow down. I read threads almost every day about people having problems with another "big name" suppressor companies mounts. This seems minor compared to the $$$ those people have invested in what seems to be a problematic mounting system IMO. As far as I know, at least this "big name" suppressor company has replaced the mounts for free. How does Griffin expect current owners to disassemble the parts when there's no proper tool provided? Oh...Yes, you can...But you have to pay $160 to upgrade. Seems to me their R&D needs to be "upgrade". Can one "undo" their Form 4? Because if so, I'll undo Form 4 and go with something else. |
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Quoted: As far as I know, at least this "big name" suppressor company has replaced the mounts for free. How does Griffin expect current owners to disassemble the parts when there's no proper tool provided? Oh...Yes, you can...But you have to pay $160 to upgrade. Seems to me their R&D needs to be "upgrade". Can one "undo" their Form 4? Because if so, I'll undo Form 4 and go with something else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: As far as I know, at least this "big name" suppressor company has replaced the mounts for free. How does Griffin expect current owners to disassemble the parts when there's no proper tool provided? Oh...Yes, you can...But you have to pay $160 to upgrade. Seems to me their R&D needs to be "upgrade". Can one "undo" their Form 4? Because if so, I'll undo Form 4 and go with something else. |
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I've had a Rev9 for almost 8 months now. I have never shot it and I had to sent it back to the factory to have the marred booster assembly replaced. When you thread the can on your host and tighten it like any other suppressor it will lock up. Heat didn't work.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks GA charging existing Rev9 owners $160 to upgrade their suppressors to make them easier possible to disassemble is pure BS. Last time I had a problem with my booster housing getting stuck GA sent me the rubber hex tool. It didn't work. Looks like its designed to remove the piston assembly or a 3 lug mount from the booster housing. It doesn't do squat to help separate a stuck booster housing assembly.
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Well this thread convinced me to get an Octane 9. View Quote Find a Ti-rant View Quote I'm looking for one, but AAC discontinued them. |
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Man, this sucks! I'd kinda lusted after a Revo 9 when it came out, but I jumped on the cheap TiRANT's when they were available. Looks like I made the right choice. I really like my M4SDK though. Only GA can I have.
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Wow, I was actually waiting for one to show up in stock at Capitol, but I guess I will look at other options. Does rugged have a problem similar to this? I see that their short tube is in the front rather than the back. If they have a problem, I just might buy a separate K style and a normal style suppressor from SciCo instead. View Quote I have a Surge & a Rev45. The Surge module swap out is simple, no tools required. The only tool needed is the one supplied for the end cap. 2 parts, that's it. I've changed the Rev around & didn't note any issues. I may have to try it more to see if I can replicate any of the issues being described. |
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For those complaining on not getting free upgrade parts, I would rather have Griffin focus on cranking out cans to meet the pre-41F demand. There is a lot more going on with 41F than just some fingerprint cards and photos.
Another option for taking the can down is to wrap that rear knurled part with some leather and stick it in a bench vise. I've had no trouble at all with that. Make sure to take the endcap off first. I've read of a lot of people failing to do that. |
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I've been trying to get mine apart for a week. After a few hundred full auto rounds from an mp5 the booster assembly seems frozen. I want to set it up in the k configuration but I don't think it's going to happen without damage. As far as the $160 upgrade goes, thats good to know. I'll gladly put that $160 towards a can from some one else.
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For those complaining on not getting free upgrade parts, I would rather have Griffin focus on cranking out cans to meet the pre-41F demand. There is a lot more going on with 41F than just some fingerprint cards and photos. Another option for taking the can down is to wrap that rear knurled part with some leather and stick it in a bench vise. I've had no trouble at all with that. Make sure to take the endcap off first. I've read of a lot of people failing to do that. View Quote It's a great idea. Next time going to the range, I need to make sure bringing some leather and a bench vise when I need to change my Griffin Revolution 9 (GR 9) can from K to long, or vice versa. Hey, man. I know you're trying to help, but there are more current owners having problems with GR 9. Their R&D wasn't doing a good job with this can, and owners of this can are going to pay extra for it. Is it how it's supposed to work???? |
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I shot my Revolution 45 for the first time yesterday on a Glock 17. Wow, with a LH thread and all the different parts screwing together in the opposite direction, it was a real chore to keep it all together. I will have to chose a configuration and do some loctitiing. Performance wise it did very well. I don't regret my purchase as I already have the Octane 45 HD and Octane 45k and wanted something else to try. I just wish it had the same modularity capabilities as the Obsidian (pending now). That being said, it would be nice if they would retrofit the older design blast assembly with the new one with notches free of charge.
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Mine was difficult to remove a few times. Can't remember how I broke it free but it sure wasn't a major deal. I change configurations in my gun room at the work bench so it really isn't a big issue for me.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Klein strap wrench. I'll add a couple to my tools. I guess if you are swapping configs multiple times at the range you should probably pick one up too. CHRIS |
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I have already had issues separating booster/mount from the endcap on my never used revolution. Didn't think you Loctite endcap to extension ?
Guess they won't take returns. Did they change the baffle stack on the upgraded version ? |
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Plus, on the Octane, the rear booster housing is permanently installed (more difficult to clean) and the Resistance comes with the armorer's wrench to remove the rear housing.
Silencer Shop has ~40,000 rounds on their original 1st gen Rev 9 with minimal service (one front cap replacement). Multiple reviewers have used this same silencer in their own testing and were able to configure and use it properly even with limited knowledge of the product. However, it's in the interest of Griffin Armament to incorporate features that make our products even easier to use with updated generations. At the time when the Revolution was introduced in January 2013, it was the most competitive pistol silencer available. With these new updates we are releasing currently, it will remain as such. -Sam |
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Or, you can get the Resistance 9 which includes a piston and save $200+ (Street price). -Sam View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well this thread convinced me to get an Octane 9. Or, you can get the Resistance 9 which includes a piston and save $200+ (Street price). -Sam Are the specs of Resistance 9 the same as GR 9 ? If so, can Griffin switch/replace parts for free? It's not current owners' fault that they have problems of removing/disassembling the can. It's only fair, IMHO. |
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I have a Surge & a Rev45. The Surge module swap out is simple, no tools required. The only tool needed is the one supplied for the end cap. 2 parts, that's it. I've changed the Rev around & didn't note any issues. I may have to try it more to see if I can replicate any of the issues being described. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow, I was actually waiting for one to show up in stock at Capitol, but I guess I will look at other options. Does rugged have a problem similar to this? I see that their short tube is in the front rather than the back. If they have a problem, I just might buy a separate K style and a normal style suppressor from SciCo instead. I have a Surge & a Rev45. The Surge module swap out is simple, no tools required. The only tool needed is the one supplied for the end cap. 2 parts, that's it. I've changed the Rev around & didn't note any issues. I may have to try it more to see if I can replicate any of the issues being described. This has been my experience also. I find myself switching between the long and short configuration quite often, depending on what host I decide to take to the range with me.. |
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I got two endcap strikes on my very first outing with my revo 9, I couldn't get a grouping with it. I put it up and haven't touched it since. Pistol host was a p30 hk and ammo was 147 gr lawman. I was going to buy a tirant 9 but the jerkoff at silencer shop convinced me the revo 9 was the latest and greatest.
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I got two endcap strikes on my very first outing with my revo 9, I couldn't get a grouping with it. I put it up and haven't touched it since. Pistol host was a p30 hk and ammo was 147 gr lawman. I was going to buy a tirant 9 but the jerkoff at silencer shop convinced me the revo 9 was the latest and greatest. View Quote I'm not sure that sounds like a suppressor issue. Factory threaded barrel? |
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I got two endcap strikes on my very first outing with my revo 9, I couldn't get a grouping with it. I put it up and haven't touched it since. Pistol host was a p30 hk and ammo was 147 gr lawman. I was going to buy a tirant 9 but the jerkoff at silencer shop convinced me the revo 9 was the latest and greatest. View Quote That's interesting. If there was possibly an issue with your silencer you should have contacted us to work the issue and find resolution. We can't help you if we don't know. Contact [email protected] if you would like our help in working this issue. At the most, you will need to send you silencer in along with the barrel you were using it on where we can more closely inspect it with the proper equipment and if necessary, practically test it on a confirmed alignment host firearm at the range. Whatever the case, we service our customer because they're important to us. -Sam |
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I'm not sure that sounds like a suppressor issue. Factory threaded barrel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I got two endcap strikes on my very first outing with my revo 9, I couldn't get a grouping with it. I put it up and haven't touched it since. Pistol host was a p30 hk and ammo was 147 gr lawman. I was going to buy a tirant 9 but the jerkoff at silencer shop convinced me the revo 9 was the latest and greatest. I'm not sure that sounds like a suppressor issue. Factory threaded barrel? Could be either, but if it had happened to me, I don't think I would just put it on a shelf and forget about it. Either the barrel is threaded non-concentric, or the suppressor/piston is. Both would be going to a third party to determine which. |
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