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Posted: 7/20/2017 2:03:46 PM EDT
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For my SD family. Pics courtesy of SiCo. I'll share more next week after the TFB post Tuesday.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 2:33:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2017 3:12:35 PM EDT
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0.45 ounces lighter than a TPM can on the first shot, steadily heavier after that unless it can somehow be cleaned. And it's priced to aggressively compete with the KAC SD can.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 3:50:01 PM EDT
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That and in video they compared it to a can at 129.6db, and has there can at 126.4. Can't imagine what can they used to get 126, that is very loud for a SD can. KAC can is 125. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:25:25 PM EDT
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For my SD family. Pics courtesy of SiCo. I'll share more next week after the TFB post Tuesday. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/IMG-0508-258739.jpg |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 4:48:41 PM EDT
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Ordered two of the 9SD.
One for our actual Postie MP5SD, another for a personal gun(guess I need a DT). |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:03:26 PM EDT
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Ordered two of the 9SD. One for our actual Postie MP5SD, another for a personal gun(guess I need a DT). |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:06:56 PM EDT
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DT's are extremely over rated. I've been honestly underwhelmed by ever other Manf. that wasn't DT. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:10:48 PM EDT
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Who would you recommend? I've been honestly underwhelmed by ever other Manf. that wasn't DT. The first DT we had was jammomatic which I believe is from not being properly folded. This was about 3'ish years ago so maybe he got better. The other one I got the finish and welds looked like a 8 year with down syndrome did it. It's your money so spend how you like. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:28:23 PM EDT
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As someone who has been dissecting all the main players for a project I have been working on (more on that later) I can tell you that I was the most impressed with TPM, which is why I bought one, followed by Brethern. The first DT we had was jammomatic which I believe is from not being properly folded. This was about 3'ish years ago so maybe he got better. The other one I got the finish and welds looked like a 8 year with down syndrome did it. It's your money so spend how you like. That's the gentleman with the 93R/Lava Lamp, right? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:49:17 PM EDT
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But look at the size of the Omega 9SD, much shorter and lighter than the other SD cans and only slightly, almost imperceptibly, louder. Looks like a winner to me! However, even if comes close to a current SD in sound, it is a winner just on size alone! |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:31:51 PM EDT
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If it delivers 3db less than a KAC/B&T can, then it rules. But I saw the fine print and 129 db is for the "original MP5SD silencer". That would be the cheese grater made in the 70s. However, even if comes close to a current SD in sound, it is a winner just on size alone! I'm assuming these will be similar to the Gemtech MK9K and made on limited runs? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:40:54 PM EDT
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But look at the size of the Omega 9SD, much shorter and lighter than the other SD cans and only slightly, almost imperceptibly, louder. Looks like a winner to me! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That and in video they compared it to a can at 129.6db, and has there can at 126.4. Can't imagine what can they used to get 126, that is very loud for a SD can. KAC can is 125. 
The fact that it can't be cleaned (can it?) seems like a complete non-starter to me. SD cans HAVE to be cleaned or they'll fill with lead. Reposted: 
If it can be cleaned, then hell yeah the length is awesome. But if it can't be cleaned, absolutely nothing else about the can matters one bit. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:49:58 PM EDT
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As someone who has been dissecting all the main players for a project I have been working on (more on that later) I can tell you that I was the most impressed with TPM, which is why I bought one, followed by Brethern. The first DT we had was jammomatic which I believe is from not being properly folded. This was about 3'ish years ago so maybe he got better. The other one I got the finish and welds looked like a 8 year with down syndrome did it. It's your money so spend how you like. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:09:53 PM EDT
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Yeah I'm going to order a TPM gun myself next calendar year. Have a TPM can in jail right now. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:39:27 PM EDT
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0.45 ounces lighter than TPM's can.
The fact that it can't be cleaned (can it?) seems like a complete non-starter to me. SD cans HAVE to be cleaned or they'll fill with lead. Reposted: http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Why.you_.need_.to_.clean_.your_.suppresor.cans_.every_.so_.often_-1.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/ghilliebear/5-21-2011/DSC00634.jpg If it can be cleaned, then hell yeah the length is awesome. But if it can't be cleaned, absolutely nothing else about the can matters one bit.  Attached FileEta: or are they referring to "assembling" the firearm? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:13:56 PM EDT
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They say this in their manual but who knows if it means disassembly on our end. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/328336/IMG-3005-259097.JPG Eta: or are they referring to "assembling" the firearm? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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0.45 ounces lighter than TPM's can.
The fact that it can't be cleaned (can it?) seems like a complete non-starter to me. SD cans HAVE to be cleaned or they'll fill with lead. Reposted: http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Why.you_.need_.to_.clean_.your_.suppresor.cans_.every_.so_.often_-1.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/ghilliebear/5-21-2011/DSC00634.jpg If it can be cleaned, then hell yeah the length is awesome. But if it can't be cleaned, absolutely nothing else about the can matters one bit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/328336/IMG-3005-259097.JPG Eta: or are they referring to "assembling" the firearm? Didn't see that about the welded mount. Wow, that can will turn itself into a paperweight. I don't want to call it a POS, but...yeah...that's retarded. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:22:47 PM EDT
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They're talking about the firearm. Didn't see that about the welded mount. Wow, that can will turn itself into a paperweight. I don't want to call it a POS, but...yeah...that's retarded. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:43:03 PM EDT
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Those pics that you posted of cans filled with lead, realistically how many rounds does it take for that to happen? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're talking about the firearm. Didn't see that about the welded mount. Wow, that can will turn itself into a paperweight. I don't want to call it a POS, but...yeah...that's retarded. I'd love to find out a solid number on that if anyone knows. But if the can is going you be disposable, it needs to be $300 + stamp. And even then, tough sell. ETA: Let's just say it's 50,000 rounds for argument's sake. I shoot 390 rounds in a range session and I shoot twice a month. Five years and my can is solid lead? Great. And it would be worthless from a suppression standpoint long before that. 
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Posted: 7/21/2017 12:49:34 AM EDT
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Send it back to SiCo and let them cut the stack off, clean it out and weld a stack back on???
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Posted: 7/21/2017 3:16:03 PM EDT
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Those cans had like 100K through them.
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Posted: 7/21/2017 5:07:28 PM EDT
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TPM has their SD cans on sale for $465 each right now. That's a hell of a price. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 8:47:27 PM EDT
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Is this sale still on? Is there a special link or code for it? Their site shows 599 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TPM has their SD cans on sale for $465 each right now. That's a hell of a price. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 8:49:32 PM EDT
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Those cans had like 100K through them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 9:14:03 PM EDT
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GeneralPurpose now that you have had your SD for awhile what are your thoughts on it and the TPM can?
I remember when you posted about first shooting it that it appeared louder than your K, is that right? Please try to sell me on it. I have a POF reverse stretch that is approved to be SBR'd but I havent messed with it yet. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 9:33:27 PM EDT
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With Subs and a octane 9mm my K is as quiet as my TPM MP5SD.
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Posted: 7/21/2017 9:51:15 PM EDT
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With Subs and a octane 9mm my K is as quiet as my TPM MP5SD. I should have elaborated a little better. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:00:05 PM EDT
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But does the SD actually make the 115's as quiet as the sub's through your K? I should have elaborated a little better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With Subs and a octane 9mm my K is as quiet as my TPM MP5SD. I should have elaborated a little better. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:08:00 PM EDT
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I'd like to know the answer to this as well, I'm already planning for and mp5 just not sure which one yet. I'd like to be well educated on the differences of each before I purchase, and also what ammo they like to eat. On meter, I couldn't tell you! |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:02:28 PM EDT
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GeneralPurpose now that you have had your SD for awhile what are your thoughts on it and the TPM can? I remember when you posted about first shooting it that it appeared louder than your K, is that right? Please try to sell me on it. I have a POF reverse stretch that is approved to be SBR'd but I havent messed with it yet. I don't think the K is quieter than the SD, I think it has a deeper tone but that seems pretty universal with silencers. The ones that are quieter have a slightly higher pitch. If you want quiet, both guns will check that box. Shooting them outside there's really no difference. Shooting them inside (I usually shoot out of the open end of a metal building), the SD is quieter. If I could only keep one, it would be the SD. But I'm really happy to have both. Also, the TPM can is awesome. It's so light. SDs have kind of a heavy front end with the cage and rubber handguard, and I don't think I would've been as happy with a steel can. The silencer design is a big thing to consider. If you want shielded baffles, Engineer's can looks like a killer design. I'm okay with a little more maintenance, I knew what I was getting into with an SD. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:15:32 PM EDT
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But does the SD actually make the 115's as quiet as the sub's through your K? I should have elaborated a little better. 124 grain through the SD is just as quiet as 147 grain and just as quiet as 147 grain in a K and full size. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:30:35 PM EDT
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Interesting. Thanks guys
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Posted: 7/22/2017 1:00:08 AM EDT
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115s? No. They are noticeably louder in the SD than subsonics in a K or normal full size with a standard pistol can. 124 grain through the SD is just as quiet as 147 grain and just as quiet as 147 grain in a K and full size. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 1:43:15 AM EDT
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Sounds like the sd is the route to go just so I don't have to shoot the heavy bullets to keep it subsonic.
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Posted: 7/22/2017 9:31:23 AM EDT
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 SilencerCo Omega 9SD |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 10:18:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2017 11:24:48 AM EDT
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115s? No. They are noticeably louder in the SD than subsonics in a K or normal full size with a standard pistol can. 124 grain through the SD is just as quiet as 147 grain and just as quiet as 147 grain in a K and full size. In the K, 147 is quieter all around. Since I reload, and 147 is a negligible cost increase over 115, I'll just feed 147 through everything. It's a difference of ¢1.7 / round. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 2:51:32 PM EDT
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I just cleaned my TPM SD can again after ~400 rounds. I'm not going for white glove clean, just scraping off what I can with a scoop-shaped dental pick and spraying it down with oil.
Pre-cleaning = 15.65 ounces Post-cleaning = 15.40 ounces That pretty much sums up why I think a sealed SD can is a terrible idea unless it's for a law enforcement / Military application. For us mere civilians who have to wait a year, pay $200 for every transfer, and probably shoot a lot more annually...screw that. And I can't imagine LE/Mil wanting to order anything other than factory HK cans, but I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 6:06:03 PM EDT
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Anyone know wherw i can find a barreled omega sd receiver in stock? Atlantic arms has been out of stock for a long time.
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Posted: 7/22/2017 7:46:57 PM EDT
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Anyone know wherw i can find a barreled omega sd receiver in stock? Atlantic arms has been out of stock for a long time.
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Posted: 7/22/2017 7:52:25 PM EDT
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Pretty sure it was said that due to some politics omega wasn't gonna make anymore! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know wherw i can find a barreled omega sd receiver in stock? Atlantic arms has been out of stock for a long time. 
Details? It seems like that would've been a hot seller for them, provided they could get the barrel concentric to the cage. |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 9:40:47 PM EDT
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Pretty sure it was said that due to some politics omega wasn't gonna make anymore! |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 11:09:39 PM EDT
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Dude u mean zenith mke. I kniw theyre not importing sd anymore because of Turkish politics. Omega is domestic, and just waiting on the next run. But want now!
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Posted: 7/22/2017 11:14:54 PM EDT
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I think Atlantic Arms said it in another thread. Something about some internal politics. Maybe I dreamed it.
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Posted: 7/22/2017 11:31:11 PM EDT
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I think Atlantic Arms said it in another thread. Something about some internal politics. Maybe I dreamed it. I have heard that the MKE SD won't be happening. Eh, who knows. Glad I have my TPM. 
I want a full-size but I also want to buy a house, soooooo...maybe in five years? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:11:27 AM EDT
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I think Atlantic Arms said it in another thread. Something about some internal politics. Maybe I dreamed it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 10:23:12 AM EDT
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After 393 days of waiting on Form 4s, I got news my TPM SD is approved and ready for pickup. Road tripping to Carrollton next weekend to pick it up.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 10:34:51 AM EDT
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After 393 days of waiting on Form 4s, I got news my TPM SD is approved and ready for pickup. Road tripping to Carrollton next weekend to pick it up. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:29:14 PM EDT
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Dude u mean zenith mke. I kniw theyre not importing sd anymore because of Turkish politics. Omega is domestic, and just waiting on the next run. But want now! |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 12:55:26 PM EDT
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What about their laws/etc make a SD different than anything else? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude u mean zenith mke. I kniw theyre not importing sd anymore because of Turkish politics. Omega is domestic, and just waiting on the next run. But want now! |
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