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Posted: 11/30/2015 9:20:16 PM EDT

Is it a no no for my FFL to start the form 4 for me before the form 3 comes in?
I'd like to ask my FFL to do this. But rather not if its against the rules.

Posted: 11/30/2015 9:20:58 PM EDT

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That's how I have done my last 4.

Posted: 11/30/2015 9:28:34 PM EDT

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I asked him. I have a feeling he won't.

Posted: 11/30/2015 9:37:37 PM EDT

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Is it a no no for my FFL to start the form 4 for me before the form 3 comes in?
I'd like to ask my FFL to do this. But rather not if its against the rules.

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Against the rules. Plenty of guys do it. Mine won't.

Posted: 11/30/2015 9:54:47 PM EDT

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Against the rules. Plenty of guys do it. Mine won't.

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Is it a no no for my FFL to start the form 4 for me before the form 3 comes in?
I'd like to ask my FFL to do this. But rather not if its against the rules.

Against the rules. Plenty of guys do it. Mine won't.

I understand. Now I regret asking.

Posted: 11/30/2015 9:57:11 PM EDT

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I've had three different dealers do it, within 48 hours of receiving SN.

Heck, Silencer Shop does it for every Powered By transaction. (They file the F4 two weeks after the F3, without waiting for approval).

Posted: 11/30/2015 10:56:53 PM EDT

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I did on my Evolution fron SS. Had no problems.

Posted: 11/30/2015 11:21:38 PM EDT

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I've had three different dealers do it, within 48 hours of receiving SN.

Heck, Silencer Shop does it for every Powered By transaction. (They file the F4 two weeks after the F3, without waiting for approval).

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Another reason they get my $$$$.

Posted: 11/30/2015 11:36:31 PM EDT

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I've had three different dealers do it, within 48 hours of receiving SN.

Heck, Silencer Shop does it for every Powered By transaction. (They file the F4 two weeks after the F3, without waiting for approval).

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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:41:18 PM EDT

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He said no.

Posted: 11/30/2015 11:57:06 PM EDT

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Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

Posted: 11/30/2015 11:59:13 PM EDT

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Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

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He said no.

Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

Not arguing that.

Posted: 12/1/2015 12:07:02 AM EDT

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Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

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He said no.

Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

This is what my local dealer told me. I only have one in my area unless I want to drive 2+hours. I just can't justify the time and extra cost so I will wait for the forms to be a roved in order.

Posted: 12/1/2015 2:15:05 AM EDT

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Not arguing that.

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He said no.

Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

Not arguing that.

Or would it be the first time a can came in with different serial number.

Posted: 12/1/2015 9:59:53 AM EDT

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Not arguing that.

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He said no.

Well, that's actually the correct answer, no matter how many dealers do it.

You can't transfer something that isn't yours...and it's not in the local dealer's inventory until the F3 is approved. Unfortunately, not a lot you can argue with them about...other than "others do it, so that's where I'll take my future business", which is fairly weak.

Not arguing that.

I won't either. The whole NFA process is beyond retarded.

Posted: 12/1/2015 12:24:35 PM EDT

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You're not really supposed to do it. It's a gamble.

It's certainly happened where a Form 4 beat a 3 for whatever reason and the 4 got kicked back.

Posted: 12/1/2015 4:22:08 PM EDT

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You're not really supposed to do it. It's a gamble.

It's certainly happened where a Form 4 beat a 3 for whatever reason and the 4 got kicked back.

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Speaking of you guys.
My dealer told me to buy from you.

41p has me scared to buy anything. Knowing the F3 won't come back before January.

Posted: 12/1/2015 4:53:51 PM EDT

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We no longer do it. I've had a couple of issues with it. The first being that any errors that cause the form 3 to get kicked back, can result in the form 4 also getting kicked back while you wait for the transferor to correct the form. That's happened once. We got a letter back that said the item wasn't in our inventory.

I also had another occasion where a distributor provided serial numbers off a form 3, but the ATF lost the form (or some other issue caused it to have to be resubmitted). For whatever reason, the distributor changed the serial numbers that we were getting, and didn't inform us. Again, we receive an error letter on a form 4 that says ser # 12345 wasn't in our inventory because the distributor had changed it.

The ATF will tell you not to do it, and that's generally the correct answer. Although, there are plenty of dealers who do it and generally the worst case scenario is the form gets sent back for correction to verify the serial number or silencer info.

Posted: 12/1/2015 6:08:39 PM EDT

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So, does the dealer get in trouble by the ATF for doing it? I don't really see any risk in doing it if they don't. Or am I missing something??

Posted: 12/1/2015 6:33:03 PM EDT

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So, does the dealer get in trouble by the ATF for doing it? I don't really see any risk in doing it if they don't. Or am I missing something??

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It mostly just results in forms getting kicked back. I've never heard of a dealer being disciplined for it, but if it was causing issues on a regular basis, the ATF might crack down on it. I'm sure they know dealers are doing it, and they don't bother to do much about it as long as the forms keep moving smoothly.

If every other F4 got rejected because the F3 wasn't approved, they would probably try to force dealers to stop.

Posted: 12/1/2015 10:20:45 PM EDT

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Hopefully no one writes a letter

Posted: 12/1/2015 10:58:49 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/2/2015 1:28:54 AM EDT

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I was actually thinking that when I posted my question... thinking, surely nobody will take this and send a letter to the ATF to get clarification

Posted: 12/3/2015 5:20:25 PM EDT

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I was actually thinking that when I posted my question... thinking, surely nobody will take this and send a letter to the ATF to get clarification

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Hopefully no one writes a letter

I was actually thinking that when I posted my question... thinking, surely nobody will take this and send a letter to the ATF to get clarification

You mean that wasn't the first thing I was suppose to do?