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Posted: 4/15/2015 4:35:44 PM EDT
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Try what you have. I've been very pleased with my VSR 22lr can without even clipping them...
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Posted: 4/15/2015 4:44:08 PM EDT
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Try what you have. I've been very pleased with my VSR 22lr can without even clipping them... I have been reading everything I can get my hands on for the last 2 weeks and there is not a lot of info on VSR cans... and for that price I could not pass them up... I am going to clip them because this is for a 300 blk out and I want it to be quiet as I can make it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:03:44 PM EDT
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I would suggest trying them as is first and then clipping the first few to see if there's a noticeable difference. If there is, continue clipping the remainder...
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:04:37 PM EDT
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You got an amazing deal on them. Usually it is ~$20 per VSR. Try what you have. If you have to clip them later then do it.
MAHA |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:14:56 PM EDT
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If this is an online deal, care to post a link?
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:16:48 PM EDT
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You got an amazing deal on them. Usually it is ~$20 per VSR. Try what you have. If you have to clip them later then do it. MAHA His are steel, if I read his post correctly. Not Ti. OP, everything I've seen indicates that the VSR's are much more effective if clipped. I haven't really seen anything that says the same about the freeze plugs. I'm finishing up my FP suppressor now and don't plan on clipping them. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 6:45:01 PM EDT
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If this is an online deal, care to post a link? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCFHL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 These are steel not ti 16 for $10 |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:25:04 PM EDT
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If this is an online deal, care to post a link? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCFHL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 These are steel not ti 16 for $10 I don't see $10 |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:29:23 PM EDT
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If this is an online deal, care to post a link? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCFHL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 These are steel not ti 16 for $10 I don't see $10 They only had three at that price for $9.65 and since I posted they went back to regular price....I guess I got a lightning deal or something. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:36:17 PM EDT
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Be interested to see if those fit the tube. Most of the time when an OD is listed for a VSR, it's related to the spring, not the actual size OD of the VSR. It gets real confusing when shopping.
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:40:22 PM EDT
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Be interested to see if those fit the tube. Most of the time when an OD is listed for a VSR, it's related to the spring, not the actual size OD of the VSR. It gets real confusing when shopping. What make and part number have people used in steel, and Ti for the D cell tubes? Which ones for 223, .vs 300 blackout. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:45:13 PM EDT
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What make and part number have people used in steel, and Ti for the D cell tubes? Which ones for 223, .vs 300 blackout. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Be interested to see if those fit the tube. Most of the time when an OD is listed for a VSR, it's related to the spring, not the actual size OD of the VSR. It gets real confusing when shopping. What make and part number have people used in steel, and Ti for the D cell tubes? Which ones for 223, .vs 300 blackout. This data is not mine, but has been posted before. Here is a list of VSR's: NAPA SEP VSR7018R - - Chrome Moly - - 1.372" - - 0.401" - - $6.00 ea. - - http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Valve-Spring-Retainer/_/R-SEPVSR7018R_0204181163# Crane Cams 99669 - - Titanium - - 1.371" - - 0.347" - - $22.00 ea. - - - - - - ( as measured by millsusaf ) 99936 - - Steel - - - - -1.375" - - 0.375" - - $9.00 (for2) - - - - - - 99944 - - Steel - - - - -1.373" - - 0.392" - - $9.00 (for2) - - - - - - ( as measured by gunut ) 99943 - - Steel - - - - -1.375" - - 0.39" - - $9.00 (for2) - - - - - - 99948 - - Steel - - - - -1.375" - - 0.401" - $9.00 (for2) - - - - - - 158660 - Titanium - - 0.995 - - -0.28" - - $320.00 (for 16) - - - - - - 99678 - - Titanium - - 1.500"- - 0.350" - - $47.00 (for 2) - - - - hole most ideal - - 99681 - - Titanium - - 1.500" - - 0.345" - - $47.00 (for 2) - - - - hole, most ideal, unclear how this part is different than above one - - 99675 - - Titanium - - 1.500" - - 0.345" - - $47.00 (for 2) - - - - hole, larger step, less ideal - - 99679 - - Titanium - - 1.500" - - 0.375" - - $47.00 (for 2) - - - - hole, most ideal - - 99676 - - Titanium - - 1.500" - - 0.375" - - $47.00 (for 2) - - - - hole larger step, less ideal - - 99956 - - Steel - - - - -1.500" - - 0.39_? - - $9.40 (for 2) - - - -possibly same 0.39" hole as 99944 - catalog says 11/32" Valve Stem Diameter Comp Cams 783 - - Steel - - -1.030" - - 0.430" - - $4.97 - - ea. - - - - (I think 783 is the best). - - 774 - - Steel - - -1.030" - - 0.430" - - $4.97 - - ea. - - - - - - 787 - - Steel - - -1.030" - - 0.430" - - $4.97 - - ea. - - - - - - 736 - - Titanium 1.500" - - /_ ? _\ - - $19.97 - ea. - - - -triple spring with 635" inner spring diamiter - may mean small hole Edelbrock 9720 - - steel - - 1.375" - - 0.43" - - $57.97 - - (for 16) - - - - - - PAC Racing PAC-R524 - - Titanium - - 1.380" - - 0.345" - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - 500-Series-Ti-17-Titanium - - PAC-R525 - - Titanium - - 1.380" - - 0.345" - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - 500-Series-Ti-17-Titanium - - PAC-R522 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - 0.380" - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - These should have hole suitable for 30cal. They are pricy but they are also near perfect, also they Ti-17 grade. - - PAC-R523 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - 0.345" - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - " - - PAC-R527 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - 0.345" - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - " - - PAC-R401 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - /_ ? _\ - - $13.93 - - ea. - - - - 400-Series-PAC-TUFF-64-Titanium - 6AL4V Titanium alloy - - PAC-R402 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - /_ ? _\ - - $13.93 - - ea. - - - - has most potential I think - - PAC-R404 - - Titanium - - 1.480" - - /_ ? _\ - - $13.93 - - ea. - - - - - - PAC-R503 - - Titanium - - 1.49 - - /_ ? _\ - - $22.22 - - ea. - - - - less ideal than the posi stop ones - - Del West (custom shop) M300 - - Steel - - 1.37 - - 0.32" - - - - - - - - Use the .31 for 5.56 and .36 for 308. Something like .27-.28 is ideal for 5.56 however in most cases 308 cans (that have .37-.38" holes) perform similar so probably not a big deal. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hardened Tool Steel - - - - - - - - 1.35 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - 1.350 M300 Hardened Tool Steel .32" ID Fits perfect in Apogee/SDTA tube - - - - - - - - 1.35 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - 1.350 M300 Hardened Tool Steel .36" ID " - - - - - - - - 1.375 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - 1.375 M300 Hardened Tool Steel .32" ID Fits perfect in Chris's Custom SS tube - - - - - - - - 1.375 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - 1.375 M300 Hardened Tool Steel .36" ID " - - CV Products CV526 - - Titanium - - 1.350' - - .470" - - $15.43 - - ea. - - - - - - Xceldyne XRE565 - - - - 1.495 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - have a inner step at .635" so maybe the ID is on the smaller side? - - XRE656-10 - - - - 1.495 - - /_ ? _\ - - - - - - - - - - Manley 23636-16 - - Steel - - /_ ? _\ - - /_ ? _\ - - $3.97 - - ea. - - - - - - 23553 - - Titanium - - - 1.431" - - 0.478" - - $14.97 - - ea. - - 0.55oz.-Ordered and measured. Not good fit for any common tube sizes. Specs = 10 Degree, 1.660 in. Outside Spring Diameter Spring, .620 in. Inside Spring Diameter |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 8:27:58 PM EDT
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Be interested to see if those fit the tube. Most of the time when an OD is listed for a VSR, it's related to the spring, not the actual size OD of the VSR. It gets real confusing when shopping. Which has burned me twice before I finally figured it out. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 9:21:57 PM EDT
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Which has burned me twice before I finally figured it out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Be interested to see if those fit the tube. Most of the time when an OD is listed for a VSR, it's related to the spring, not the actual size OD of the VSR. It gets real confusing when shopping. Which has burned me twice before I finally figured it out. If they are too big I can turn them down |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 9:51:44 PM EDT
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SO many questions... what are the advantages of angled and clipped freeze plugs versus clipped steel VSR's I ordered some VSRs that will fit D cell mag tubes with very little work with a .375 through hole.. $10 for 10 on sale If I use these I will drill gas relief holes in them as well as an alignment hole for a rod and put a "U" notch in the through hole. so less work then forming and drilling FP's but I still am wondering if I need to go with FP or titanium VSR's what do you guys think? I have a VSR as a blast baffle and the rest FP. Honestly, I spent more time clipping and using a countersink on the VSR than all my FPs combined. So in my opinion the VSR require much more work than FPs. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 10:07:03 PM EDT
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I have a VSR as a blast baffle and the rest FP. Honestly, I spent more time clipping and using a countersink on the VSR than all my FPs combined. So in my opinion the VSR require much more work than FPs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SO many questions... what are the advantages of angled and clipped freeze plugs versus clipped steel VSR's I ordered some VSRs that will fit D cell mag tubes with very little work with a .375 through hole.. $10 for 10 on sale If I use these I will drill gas relief holes in them as well as an alignment hole for a rod and put a "U" notch in the through hole. so less work then forming and drilling FP's but I still am wondering if I need to go with FP or titanium VSR's what do you guys think? I have a VSR as a blast baffle and the rest FP. Honestly, I spent more time clipping and using a countersink on the VSR than all my FPs combined. So in my opinion the VSR require much more work than FPs. Yeah but I have access to three machine shops 
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Posted: 4/15/2015 10:55:36 PM EDT
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Very interested in this debate. I want to do VSR's due to the fact that they are more durable than. fP's. Unfortunately I might be stuck with FP's because I do t have access to a machine shop.
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Posted: 4/15/2015 10:56:54 PM EDT
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SO many questions... what are the advantages of angled and clipped freeze plugs versus clipped steel VSR's I ordered some VSRs that will fit D cell mag tubes with very little work with a .375 through hole.. $10 for 10 on sale If I use these I will drill gas relief holes in them as well as an alignment hole for a rod and put a "U" notch in the through hole. so less work then forming and drilling FP's but I still am wondering if I need to go with FP or titanium VSR's what do you guys think? I have a VSR as a blast baffle and the rest FP. Honestly, I spent more time clipping and using a countersink on the VSR than all my FPs combined. So in my opinion the VSR require much more work than FPs. Yeah but I have access to three machine shops Lucky! Why not do stainless steel or Ti coned baffles then? |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 10:57:54 PM EDT
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Very interested in this debate. I want to do VSR's due to the fact that they are more durable than. fP's. Unfortunately I might be stuck with FP's because I do t have access to a machine shop. VSRs do not need any work done by a machine shop. It would help but I did mine with a dremel and a countersink in a benchtop press. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 11:04:21 PM EDT
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I clipped my Freeze plug/ TI step cones in my 9mm sbr can and it made a big difference. I say clip em...
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Posted: 4/15/2015 11:18:46 PM EDT
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Very interested in this debate. I want to do VSR's due to the fact that they are more durable than. fP's. Unfortunately I might be stuck with FP's because I do t have access to a machine shop. Ti VSR's may be, but I don't know about steel. |
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Lucky! Why not do stainless steel or Ti coned baffles then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SO many questions... what are the advantages of angled and clipped freeze plugs versus clipped steel VSR's I ordered some VSRs that will fit D cell mag tubes with very little work with a .375 through hole.. $10 for 10 on sale If I use these I will drill gas relief holes in them as well as an alignment hole for a rod and put a "U" notch in the through hole. so less work then forming and drilling FP's but I still am wondering if I need to go with FP or titanium VSR's what do you guys think? I have a VSR as a blast baffle and the rest FP. Honestly, I spent more time clipping and using a countersink on the VSR than all my FPs combined. So in my opinion the VSR require much more work than FPs. Yeah but I have access to three machine shops Lucky! Why not do stainless steel or Ti coned baffles then? because I want to try an expedient way out...and this was way cheaper |
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:52:55 PM EDT
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Ti VSR's may be, but I don't know about steel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very interested in this debate. I want to do VSR's due to the fact that they are more durable than. fP's. Unfortunately I might be stuck with FP's because I do t have access to a machine shop. Ti VSR's may be, but I don't know about steel. I think most VSR's are a heat treated steel and that most FP are not...but not 1005 sure of that...and the metal on VSR's looks thicker...wont be able to measure and make a comparison till they get here. |
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Posted: 4/16/2015 10:15:50 PM EDT
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Any other info to see ideas?
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Posted: 4/17/2015 11:24:56 AM EDT
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easiest way to clip baffles? VSR or FP?
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Posted: 4/17/2015 12:37:04 PM EDT
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easiest way to clip baffles? VSR or FP? If you have a mill then a carbide ball end mill .250 if you don't than a small sanding drum on a dremel I would think |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 2:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have a mill then a carbide ball end mill .250 if you don't than a small sanding drum on a dremel I would think Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: easiest way to clip baffles? VSR or FP? If you have a mill then a carbide ball end mill .250 if you don't than a small sanding drum on a dremel I would think |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 2:50:16 PM EDT
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easiest way to clip baffles? VSR or FP? If you have a mill then a carbide ball end mill .250 if you don't than a small sanding drum on a dremel I would think Thank god I can use a mill
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Posted: 4/17/2015 3:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank god I can use a mill Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: easiest way to clip baffles? VSR or FP? If you have a mill then a carbide ball end mill .250 if you don't than a small sanding drum on a dremel I would think Thank god I can use a mill |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 3:37:42 PM EDT
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well crap
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Posted: 4/17/2015 8:17:23 PM EDT
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The. Vsr od is 1.375 and through hole is .410
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