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So I got to take it to the range just now and it is a tad quieter that with the 9mm end cap. Probably due to the higher volume can and smaller exit hole? Host: M&P9 w/ Octane45 Shot using a mix of 124gr & 147 American Eagle http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/nj0ywatch1np0rn/General/IMG_20150330_1844532.jpg View Quote you're saying the 45can/9cap is actually quieter then the octane 9? or it's just quieter than the 45can/45cap? |
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you're saying the 45can/9cap is actually quieter then the octane 9? or it's just quieter than the 45can/45cap? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So I got to take it to the range just now and it is a tad quieter that with the 9mm end cap. Probably due to the higher volume can and smaller exit hole? Host: M&P9 w/ Octane45 Shot using a mix of 124gr & 147 American Eagle http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/nj0ywatch1np0rn/General/IMG_20150330_1844532.jpg you're saying the 45can/9cap is actually quieter then the octane 9? or it's just quieter than the 45can/45cap? I would expect the 45/9 to be quieter than the 9/9. More volume than the 9 with the same exit bore. Same theory as to why the Saker 7.62 w/ 5.56 end cap is quietet than the Saker 5.56. Same reason I'm not concerned with how perfect my F1 baffle holes are...the end cap is going to make the bigger difference. |
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Also - if one of you guys figures out a place that can thread the front end of a tube for this endcap and the back end for a Liberty Mystic / Gemtech MM booster assembly, please let me know. View Quote Chris @ DM and Aaron @ ASG should both be able to handle that. Probably want to send them both end pieces so they can confirm thread pitch and check for proper fit. Aaron would be a much faster turnaround. |
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Is anyone else's 9mm end cap wider (have more threads) than the .45? My 9mm was .602" and the .45 was .566" so the last threads now protrude out of the can slightly instead of being recessed. Also the last baffle fits a lot tighter in the 9mm and takes an allen key to pop out, whereas the baffle slides easily into the .45 end cap.
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Quoted: Is anyone else's 9mm end cap wider (have more threads) than the .45? My 9mm was .602" and the .45 was .566" so the last threads now protrude out of the can slightly instead of being recessed. Also the last baffle fits a lot tighter in the 9mm and takes an allen key to pop out, whereas the baffle slides easily into the .45 end cap. View Quote Compared to my .45 endcap, my 9mm replacement is slightly longer. The half baffle also won't fit into the 9mm cap. If I remove the half baffle, the cap will screw down onto the stack - and when it compresses the stack, it sits flush with the end of the tube. It'd be interesting to hear how Silencer Shop and Capitol Armory configured their Octane 45 for testing. |
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OK. Made some measurements:
Endcap height: .45: 0.566" 9mm: 0.602" ID: .45: 1.121" 9mm: 1.118" Exit Aperture: .45: 0.510" 9mm: 0.408" .45 Half Baffle OD: 1.117" |
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Compared to my .45 endcap, my 9mm replacement is slightly longer. The half baffle also won't fit into the 9mm cap. If I remove the half baffle, the cap will screw down onto the stack - and when it compresses the stack, it sits flush with the end of the tube. It'd be interesting to hear how Silencer Shop and Capitol Armory configured their Octane 45 for testing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is anyone else's 9mm end cap wider (have more threads) than the .45? My 9mm was .602" and the .45 was .566" so the last threads now protrude out of the can slightly instead of being recessed. Also the last baffle fits a lot tighter in the 9mm and takes an allen key to pop out, whereas the baffle slides easily into the .45 end cap. Compared to my .45 endcap, my 9mm replacement is slightly longer. The half baffle also won't fit into the 9mm cap. If I remove the half baffle, the cap will screw down onto the stack - and when it compresses the stack, it sits flush with the end of the tube. It'd be interesting to hear how Silencer Shop and Capitol Armory configured their Octane 45 for testing. GOD DAMN IT I WANT PLUG AND PLAY |
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Ditto. For this: http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh623/pmdata/114b5ac07bddf1ae351a05d9a36f461f_zpsd07c82d4.jpg http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh623/pmdata/611ddf47fe3e074be19952513a67d4fb_zps0a61661a.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Information from a source close to the situation says that SiCo is going to try and market Octane end caps for consumer purchase. No idea if it will actually happen. I wish they'd offer a .40 end cap. Ditto. For this: http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh623/pmdata/114b5ac07bddf1ae351a05d9a36f461f_zpsd07c82d4.jpg http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh623/pmdata/611ddf47fe3e074be19952513a67d4fb_zps0a61661a.jpg I hate you. |
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Sweet, now I know where to hide my AAA stash.
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BAH, you beat me to the pichers... here's mine: Note, for anybody that doesn't know, the 9mm end cap has a hole the same diameter as a "AAA" battery. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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USPS just dropped it off: BAH, you beat me to the pichers... here's mine: Note, for anybody that doesn't know, the 9mm end cap has a hole the same diameter as a "AAA" battery. |
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I installed mine yesterday. It seems the last baffle won't easily fit inside the 9mm end cap. I added some drops of oil to the outside of that baffle and the inside of the end cap. Basically with a small amount of additional force (leaving the last baffle in place and screwing the cap on), everything went pretty much flush
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I installed mine yesterday. It seems the last baffle won't easily fit inside the 9mm end cap. I added some drops of oil to the outside of that baffle and the inside of the end cap. Basically with a small amount of additional force (leaving the last baffle in place and screwing the cap on), everything went pretty much flush View Quote no deformation of the baffle when stuffing it in there? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is anyone else's 9mm end cap wider (have more threads) than the .45? My 9mm was .602" and the .45 was .566" so the last threads now protrude out of the can slightly instead of being recessed. Also the last baffle fits a lot tighter in the 9mm and takes an allen key to pop out, whereas the baffle slides easily into the .45 end cap. Compared to my .45 endcap, my 9mm replacement is slightly longer. The half baffle also won't fit into the 9mm cap. If I remove the half baffle, the cap will screw down onto the stack - and when it compresses the stack, it sits flush with the end of the tube. It'd be interesting to hear how Silencer Shop and Capitol Armory configured their Octane 45 for testing. GOD DAMN IT I WANT PLUG AND PLAY Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I even tried my original Octane 9 endcap and the .45 half baffle doesn't fit in there. Silencer Shop says they used all the baffles when they used the Octane 9 endcap, but I'm not sure how they managed to get it in there. |
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Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I even tried my original Octane 9 endcap and the .45 half baffle doesn't fit in there. Silencer Shop says they used all the baffles when they used the Octane 9 endcap, but I'm not sure how they managed to get it in there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is anyone else's 9mm end cap wider (have more threads) than the .45? My 9mm was .602" and the .45 was .566" so the last threads now protrude out of the can slightly instead of being recessed. Also the last baffle fits a lot tighter in the 9mm and takes an allen key to pop out, whereas the baffle slides easily into the .45 end cap. Compared to my .45 endcap, my 9mm replacement is slightly longer. The half baffle also won't fit into the 9mm cap. If I remove the half baffle, the cap will screw down onto the stack - and when it compresses the stack, it sits flush with the end of the tube. It'd be interesting to hear how Silencer Shop and Capitol Armory configured their Octane 45 for testing. GOD DAMN IT I WANT PLUG AND PLAY Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I even tried my original Octane 9 endcap and the .45 half baffle doesn't fit in there. Silencer Shop says they used all the baffles when they used the Octane 9 endcap, but I'm not sure how they managed to get it in there. mine is on the truck for delivery today, if I can't get it in there with minimal effort it goes on the ee straight away if anyone's interested |
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ok 9mm cap is here
I did not notice any appreciable difference in the fitment of the half baffle into my new 9 cap vs my 45 cap - half baffle was a good snug fit in both of them yes the 9mm cap is a teensy tiny bit longer, as far as I'm concerned it fits perfectly but it does stick out from the end about ~1mm when fully tightened down with the half baffle properly installed PLUG AND PLAY ACHIEVED! |
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ok 9mm cap is here I did not notice any appreciable difference in the fitment of the half baffle into my new 9 cap vs my 45 cap - half baffle was a good snug fit in both of them yes the 9mm cap is a teensy tiny bit longer, as far as I'm concerned it fits perfectly but it does stick out from the end about ~1mm when fully tightened down with the half baffle properly installed PLUG AND PLAY ACHIEVED! View Quote Is it possible to get a pic? |
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ok 9mm cap is here I did not notice any appreciable difference in the fitment of the half baffle into my new 9 cap vs my 45 cap - half baffle was a good snug fit in both of them yes the 9mm cap is a teensy tiny bit longer, as far as I'm concerned it fits perfectly but it does stick out from the end about ~1mm when fully tightened down with the half baffle properly installed PLUG AND PLAY ACHIEVED! Is it possible to get a pic? gimmie a couple hours sure |
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ok 9mm cap is here I did not notice any appreciable difference in the fitment of the half baffle into my new 9 cap vs my 45 cap - half baffle was a good snug fit in both of them yes the 9mm cap is a teensy tiny bit longer, as far as I'm concerned it fits perfectly but it does stick out from the end about ~1mm when fully tightened down with the half baffle properly installed PLUG AND PLAY ACHIEVED! Is it possible to get a pic? gimmie a couple hours sure and if you have some calipers, can you get a measurement of your endcap ID and your half baffle OD? |
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mines a super tight fit but i can power it on there and to get it off flip the end cap around and screw it in backwards and then use the largest allen key you can to wiggle it back out slowly. working from side to side. or piece of brass rod if you are concerned about damaging the aperture due to hardness of the key vs the stainless
i know its not ideal. maybe you can remove some material from the inside or OD of the final baffle with sand paper IDK. |
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Quoted: I measured the ID of my 45 endcap at 1.118" I know that isn't what you asked for, but I really don't feel like taking the can back apart today and I didn't want to be completely unhelpful I'll try to remember to get ID of the 9 cap and OD of the baffle next time I have it apart View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: and if you have some calipers, can you get a measurement of your endcap ID and your half baffle OD? I measured the ID of my 45 endcap at 1.118" I know that isn't what you asked for, but I really don't feel like taking the can back apart today and I didn't want to be completely unhelpful I'll try to remember to get ID of the 9 cap and OD of the baffle next time I have it apart That's actually useful info. If your .45 endcap ID is the same as the 9mm endcap, then your half baffle probably has a smaller OD than mine. Would you mind sharing the serial number range of your Octane 45? Mine is OCT45-08XX. |
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I measured the ID of my 45 endcap at 1.118" I know that isn't what you asked for, but I really don't feel like taking the can back apart today and I didn't want to be completely unhelpful I'll try to remember to get ID of the 9 cap and OD of the baffle next time I have it apart pics of fitment: http://www.prism-industries.com/45-9-1.jpg http://www.prism-industries.com/45-9-2.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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and if you have some calipers, can you get a measurement of your endcap ID and your half baffle OD? I measured the ID of my 45 endcap at 1.118" I know that isn't what you asked for, but I really don't feel like taking the can back apart today and I didn't want to be completely unhelpful I'll try to remember to get ID of the 9 cap and OD of the baffle next time I have it apart pics of fitment: http://www.prism-industries.com/45-9-1.jpg http://www.prism-industries.com/45-9-2.jpg Thanks for the pics and info. I guess you'll be testing it this weekend? From the looks of the pics looks flush and on there tight. |
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oh I tested it yesterday, couldn't really tell a difference because I was at a public indoor range but it worked fine
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My endcap fits identical to MaxTheRabbit's. Last baffle fits inside just fine. My Serial # is 08xx. I actually prefer that the thing sticking out the end of the suppressor is the end cap instead of the tube. $60 unregistered parts are easier to fix than tax stamps and serialized tubes.
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My half baffle is a tight fit in the .45 end cap and a tight(er) fit in the 9mm cap. I had to use a dowel to work the baffle out of the .45 cap, just careful prying on one side and then the other to work it up and out. Then it took some careful alignment to get the baffle to go in the 9mm, even the slightest bit cocked to one side or the other and it stuck. I put some silver anti-sieze on the baffle with the thought it might make it easier to get out next time. But I don't shoot 22 through it so i'm not too worried about it.
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My half baffle is a tight fit in the .45 end cap and a tight(er) fit in the 9mm cap. I had to use a dowel to work the baffle out of the .45 cap, just careful prying on one side and then the other to work it up and out. Then it took some careful alignment to get the baffle to go in the 9mm, even the slightest bit cocked to one side or the other and it stuck. I put some silver anti-sieze on the baffle with the thought it might make it easier to get out next time. But I don't shoot 22 through it so i'm not too worried about it. I think a very slight sanding of the baffle could make it an easier slip fit. View Quote NEVER sand on the baffle.If you would like, you can do some on the inside of the end cap. First rule of hand-fitting gun parts is to fit the cheaper part first. Ruin a baffle and you have to send it back to SiCo. If it fits AT ALL, I would not touch it. Use a dowel to get it out if you have to, but better not to force things to fit, even if they're tight. Twist it as it goes in. It's not keyed, so you'll have no problem with that. I get the impression with different reports that tolerances are different cap to cap and baffle to baffle. Did I get lucky? |
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Just got my new end cap yesterday. The last baffle slips right out of my .45 end cap and slips right into the 9mm end cap. No forcing and no fitment needed. It fits mostly flush, just like the one posted above. Easy to change out.
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I wonder what a 9mm end cap will do to .300blk suppression levels
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I wonder what changed (legally I mean) to make these end caps ok... Must simply be that now that they serve another purpose (the new muzzle brake), it is no longer "only" for silencers. Still, I would think actually putting it on an octane 45 would get the ATF all butt hurt!
I literally talked to silencershop and silencerco 2 weeks before they started selling these, and they said there was no way it could be done. They said whatever "loophole" they found to enable the sale of the Saker (and now Omega) endcaps couldn't be used to sell the Octane caps. They were still considered "silencer parts", and you couldn't legally own them. Whatever... I just picked one up! |
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I wonder what changed (legally I mean) to make these end caps ok... Must simply be that now that they serve another purpose (the new muzzle brake), it is no longer "only" for silencers. Still, I would think actually putting it on an octane 45 would get the ATF all butt hurt! I literally talked to silencershop and silencerco 2 weeks before they started selling these, and they said there was no way it could be done. They said whatever "loophole" they found to enable the sale of the Saker (and now Omega) endcaps couldn't be used to sell the Octane caps. They were still considered "silencer parts", and you couldn't legally own them. View Quote Nothing had to change legally. If you read through the thread, though, Silencerco is making a brake which accepts both the front and rear cap of the Octane suppressor. Therefore, the front cap has more than one use. The law didn't change, only the introduction of the brake changed. The law has ALWAYS been that a silencer part was a silencer... but a silencer part was one whose ONLY use was in a silencer. Since front caps had only one use, then they were silencer parts. The outer tube, being marked, is a suppressor. The baffles only have one use, therefore, silencer parts. Here's where it gets tricky, though. The BATFE is an anti-gun organization that has been given regulatory power by the executive and legislative branches. That power is now only checked by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. You never get to the SCUSA unless there are these things in the wild. SIG has pushed the issue with their supporting the Stabilizer Brace and, later, the MPX muzzle brake. We don't get muzzle brakes that double as baffle stacks if the BATFE disapproves it. So, instead of asking permission, SiCo just introduced the brake and let the cats roam free. How hard is it to herd cats? ... I would rather the BATFE herd cats. |
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Nothing had to change legally. If you read through the thread, though, Silencerco is making a brake which accepts both the front and rear cap of the Octane suppressor. Therefore, the front cap has more than one use. The law didn't change, only the introduction of the brake changed. The law has ALWAYS been that a silencer part was a silencer... but a silencer part was one whose ONLY use was in a silencer. Since front caps had only one use, then they were silencer parts. The outer tube, being marked, is a suppressor. The baffles only have one use, therefore, silencer parts. Here's where it gets tricky, though. The BATFE is an anti-gun organization that has been given regulatory power by the executive and legislative branches. That power is now only checked by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. You never get to the SCUSA unless there are these things in the wild. SIG has pushed the issue with their supporting the Stabilizer Brace and, later, the MPX muzzle brake. We don't get muzzle brakes that double as baffle stacks if the BATFE disapproves it. So, instead of asking permission, SiCo just introduced the brake and let the cats roam free. How hard is it to herd cats? ... I would rather the BATFE herd cats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I wonder what changed (legally I mean) to make these end caps ok... Must simply be that now that they serve another purpose (the new muzzle brake), it is no longer "only" for silencers. Still, I would think actually putting it on an octane 45 would get the ATF all butt hurt! I literally talked to silencershop and silencerco 2 weeks before they started selling these, and they said there was no way it could be done. They said whatever "loophole" they found to enable the sale of the Saker (and now Omega) endcaps couldn't be used to sell the Octane caps. They were still considered "silencer parts", and you couldn't legally own them. Nothing had to change legally. If you read through the thread, though, Silencerco is making a brake which accepts both the front and rear cap of the Octane suppressor. Therefore, the front cap has more than one use. The law didn't change, only the introduction of the brake changed. The law has ALWAYS been that a silencer part was a silencer... but a silencer part was one whose ONLY use was in a silencer. Since front caps had only one use, then they were silencer parts. The outer tube, being marked, is a suppressor. The baffles only have one use, therefore, silencer parts. Here's where it gets tricky, though. The BATFE is an anti-gun organization that has been given regulatory power by the executive and legislative branches. That power is now only checked by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. You never get to the SCUSA unless there are these things in the wild. SIG has pushed the issue with their supporting the Stabilizer Brace and, later, the MPX muzzle brake. We don't get muzzle brakes that double as baffle stacks if the BATFE disapproves it. So, instead of asking permission, SiCo just introduced the brake and let the cats roam free. How hard is it to herd cats? ... I would rather the BATFE herd cats. Depends on how loudly they meow. Most of the time I heard them just fine. |
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I wonder what changed (legally I mean) to make these end caps ok... Must simply be that now that they serve another purpose (the new muzzle brake), it is no longer "only" for silencers. Still, I would think actually putting it on an octane 45 would get the ATF all butt hurt! I literally talked to silencershop and silencerco 2 weeks before they started selling these, and they said there was no way it could be done. They said whatever "loophole" they found to enable the sale of the Saker (and now Omega) endcaps couldn't be used to sell the Octane caps. They were still considered "silencer parts", and you couldn't legally own them. Whatever... I just picked one up! View Quote Just took this long for someone to sack up I guess. And the cool thing is its completely legal since it has alternate uses besides in a silencer. |
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Well I got my 9mm end cap the other day and the last end baffle on my 45HD does not fit into the internal dimensions of the new end cap. I send an email to CS over at SilencerCo to see what they can do. Anyone else contact them about this? I can but don't really want to start modding the inside of the cap if I don't have to.
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Well I got my 9mm end cap the other day and the last end baffle on my 45HD does not fit into the internal dimensions of the new end cap. I send an email to CS over at SilencerCo to see what they can do. Anyone else contact them about this? I can but don't really want to start modding the inside of the cap if I don't have to. View Quote Mine was tight. Let me know what they say. |
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Well I got my 9mm end cap the other day and the last end baffle on my 45HD does not fit into the internal dimensions of the new end cap. I send an email to CS over at SilencerCo to see what they can do. Anyone else contact them about this? I can but don't really want to start modding the inside of the cap if I don't have to. Mine was tight. Let me know what they say. Same here - I shelved the endcap until I can figure out how to make it work. |
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How do you remove the original end cap? Is there a special tool for this? My seems to be screwed on very tight.
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How do you remove the original end cap? Is there a special tool for this? My seems to be screwed on very tight. Thanks Use the booster piston. Stick a screwdriver through the slots to give you leverage. Thanks. |
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No problems here using the 9mm endcap on my 45 Octane. It even sounds the same.
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Heat the end cap up with a heat gun and the battle will fall in. Heat it back up to remove.
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No problems here using the 9mm endcap on my 45 Octane. It even sounds the same. So its a waste of time? I'm wondering the same thing. I have yet to do extensive tests, but it sounds quieter to me. There is absolutely no way it is louder; the question is how much quieter. Thankfully, SilencerShop already posted a video. |
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No problems here using the 9mm endcap on my 45 Octane. It even sounds the same. So its a waste of time? I'm wondering the same thing. I have yet to do extensive tests, but it sounds quieter to me. There is absolutely no way it is louder; the question is how much quieter. Thankfully, SilencerShop already posted a video. I still haven't shot mine anywhere but the stupid indoor range |
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