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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:42:07 AM EDT
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As of today, Silencer Shop is changing its business model somewhat. Silencer Shop Direct fees have gone away in favor of a Buy-It-Local concept where they still handle all the paperwork but now it's like you're ordering the item through your local dealer, so all orders will be charged the sales tax of the dealer you choose. We'll see how it goes over... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Wait... you mean local transfer fee? Or do you mean local state sales tax? Or both together? That's a potentially big difference. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait... you mean local transfer fee? Or do you mean local state sales tax? Or both together? That's a potentially big difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Wait... you mean local transfer fee? Or do you mean local state sales tax? Or both together? That's a potentially big difference. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:52:07 AM EDT
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Local sales tax. Still no extra transfer fee (at least not for us). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Wait... you mean local transfer fee? Or do you mean local state sales tax? Or both together? That's a potentially big difference. Can't say I'm especially excited about that. We've got some pretty high sales tax here. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:59:03 AM EDT
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Can't say I'm especially excited about that. We've got some pretty high sales tax here. All depends on the can. I'm sure you'd rather pay the sales tax on a rimfire can, but may prefer the transfer fee on a higher priced centerfire rifle can. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:59:29 AM EDT
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Can't say I'm especially excited about that. We've got some pretty high sales tax here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Wait... you mean local transfer fee? Or do you mean local state sales tax? Or both together? That's a potentially big difference. Can't say I'm especially excited about that. We've got some pretty high sales tax here. Same here. All that would do is prevent me from buying something from them. Many people buy it online to avoid high sales tax rates. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:00:14 AM EDT
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All depends on the can. I'm sure you'd rather pay the sales tax on a rimfire can, but may prefer the transfer fee on a higher priced centerfire rifle can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't say I'm especially excited about that. We've got some pretty high sales tax here. All depends on the can. I'm sure you'd rather pay the sales tax on a rimfire can, but may prefer the transfer fee on a higher priced centerfire rifle can. The SS Direct fee is more expensive than the $50 transfer fee I get charged at my local dealer. It was better for me to order, well, direct from Silencer Shop than to use their SS Direct service (which I fully understand is not the case for many others) With the buy it local thing, is SS selling it to the dealer for below retail, and the dealer is charging the same price as SS, and the dealer doesn't charge a transfer fee because he kind of selling it local? In other words SS is acting as a distributor instead of a retailer? ETA: Here is a post that explains a little, but doesn't mention anything about the sales tax. I'm curious how local shops are compensated for their participation, though. http://www.xdtalk.com/threads/powered-by-silencer-shop-and-buy-it-local.276820/ |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:27:12 PM EDT
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With the buy it local thing, is SS selling it to the dealer for below retail, and the dealer is charging the same price as SS, and the dealer doesn't charge a transfer fee because he kind of selling it local? In other words SS is acting as a distributor instead of a retailer? ETA: Here is a post that explains a little, but doesn't mention anything about the sales tax. I'm curious how local shops are compensated for their participation, though. http://www.xdtalk.com/threads/powered-by-silencer-shop-and-buy-it-local.276820/ The SSD dealers have had it explained to them as I understand it. I happened to get an explanation first-hand when I was in Austin on business and stopped by to visit (full disclaimer, it was a business trip for AT&T, as I do not work in the firearms industry at all, except for working a couple local gun shows for various companies when needed). It's not my place to divulge those details. I'd hope SS would explain part of it, but some of it will probably be proprietary. I will say it's similar in setup to how you can buy stuff from other companies but actually shop through Amazon, or at least that's the short version. SS has put up a post in the Industry Partners forum with basically the same info in the XD Talk thread: Powered By Silencer Shop and Buy It Local |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:36:10 PM EDT
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As of today, Silencer Shop is changing its business model somewhat. Silencer Shop Direct fees have gone away in favor of a Buy-It-Local concept where they still handle all the paperwork but now it's like you're ordering the item through your local dealer, so all orders will be charged the sales tax of the dealer you choose. We'll see how it goes over... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Capital armory is about to get a bunch of my money |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 3:43:36 PM EDT
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AAC M4-2000 - $615.00 at Silencer Shop http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/aac-m4-2000.html Griffin Spartan 3 (direct thread) - $494.00 (down $56) http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/griffin-armament-spartan-3.html? Weird stuff going on with prices at Silencer Shop. Specwar 556k is up $18, Griffin M4SDK is up $90. Lots of price changes. Capital armory is about to get a bunch of my money I was kinda thinking the same thing. Let's hope for some awesome deals coming soon! |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:06:02 PM EDT
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From silencershop on the industry forum.
"We have changed to a distributor model. So you can purchase through us but not from us as in at the store. You can still buy in the store but it will be sent to another FFL." |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:06:23 PM EDT
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I see the Griffin Revo 9 at SS went up by $130.00..... Wow
Edit: all things equal I would choose them over other places of business in the past, not any longer however. Are they basically too big to lose out on our business? Another words do most of our local dealers order from them anyways? |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From silencershop on the industry forum. "We have changed to a distributor model. So you can purchase through us but not from us as in at the store. You can still buy in the store but it will be sent to another FFL." Wow. This seems to be the path once outfits get to a certain size. Major Malfunction, Allen Arms, etc and now SS. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see the Griffin Revo 9 at SS went up by $130.00..... Wow Edit: all things equal I would choose them over other places of business in the past, not any longer however. Are they basically too big to lose out on our business? Another words do most of our local dealers order from them anyways? I wonder if they are trying to push the business out to the individual dealers since they are now a distributor. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:22:26 PM EDT
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From silencershop on the industry forum. "We have changed to a distributor model. So you can purchase through us but not from us as in at the store. You can still buy in the store but it will be sent to another FFL." So their prices went up and I've still got to wait on a form 3? Looks like they're not getting any more of my money. Griffin RECCE 5 is now $714 and RECCE 7 is now $804. Those are both up almost $100 from last week. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 4:26:42 PM EDT
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So their prices went up and I've still got to wait on a form 3? Looks like they're not getting any more of my money. Griffin RECCE 5 is now $714 and RECCE 7 is now $804. Those are both up almost $100 from last week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From silencershop on the industry forum. "We have changed to a distributor model. So you can purchase through us but not from us as in at the store. You can still buy in the store but it will be sent to another FFL." So their prices went up and I've still got to wait on a form 3? Looks like they're not getting any more of my money. Griffin RECCE 5 is now $714 and RECCE 7 is now $804. Those are both up almost $100 from last week. So it sounds like prices went up $100 to cover the former $70 SS direct fee and whatever other gravy is rolled into it... 
I looked at the dealers - the reason(s) i didn't do SS direct before is the closest dealer is 30+ miles away and is a guy that works out of house with a normal day and doesn't have regular hours. The closest (what appears to be a) storefront dealer on the list is 113 miles away ... yeah, that's not going to happen. My transfer dealer also charges less than the old SS direct fee (and is closer than the closest SS direct dealer, and has regular business hours) - so I had no incentive to go with the SS direct program. Now less so with their new distributor model. No biggie - there will be other dealers to fill the gap. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see the Griffin Revo 9 at SS went up by $130.00..... Wow Edit: all things equal I would choose them over other places of business in the past, not any longer however. Are they basically too big to lose out on our business? Another words do most of our local dealers order from them anyways? |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 6:58:55 PM EDT
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As soon as we can login to the dealers admin page a lot of former SSD dealers will drop prices, but we haven't been able to login yet. The prices shown now are recommended prices... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see the Griffin Revo 9 at SS went up by $130.00..... Wow Edit: all things equal I would choose them over other places of business in the past, not any longer however. Are they basically too big to lose out on our business? Another words do most of our local dealers order from them anyways? Yeah those suggested prices will become normal since they won't Have to compete with ss. This only means more money for ss and screw the customer. Capital Armory here I come! |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:43:22 PM EDT
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SS has been very good to me and provided excellent prices and service but this new business model defeats the entire purpose of why I was their customer in the first place. I bought 7 cans for them this year and even ordered some accessories today. I have used Capitol Armory as well and have been very happy with them too. I am sure SS will continue to succeed and be profitable but as a Texas resident it doesn't make sense to wait on an in state form 3 and then get in line for a form 4. I wish them the best, but Capitol Armory will just get more of my business.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:53:34 PM EDT
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Damn! Glad I placed my order with SS a few days before they pulled this
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Posted: 8/3/2015 10:10:59 PM EDT
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Griffin Revolution 9 went from $580 to $710 (for example) plus the closest dealer on their list is 2 hours away (instead of the one I used two blocks over from me)
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:14:49 PM EDT
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SSD was good, but Capitol Armory exceeded my expectations. CA had already become the 1 stop shop for me. My last email to Torrey was replied to within 10 min at 11pm CST. Great cs and specials. However this SS change does seem strange for at least their general customers.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:47:08 PM EDT
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SSD was good, but Capitol Armory exceeded my expectations. CA had already become the 1 stop shop for me. My last email to Torrey was replied to within 10 min at 11pm CST. Great cs and specials. However this SS change does seem strange for at least their general customers. My Capitol Armory ordering experience was excellent as well and I certainly hope they don't go the SS route. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:08:05 AM EDT
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My Capitol Armory ordering experience was excellent as well and I certainly hope they don't go the SS route. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SSD was good, but Capitol Armory exceeded my expectations. CA had already become the 1 stop shop for me. My last email to Torrey was replied to within 10 min at 11pm CST. Great cs and specials. However this SS change does seem strange for at least their general customers. My Capitol Armory ordering experience was excellent as well and I certainly hope they don't go the SS route. Your in Michigan so as long as you can get the item at a great price nothing changes for you. But I doubt the dealers are gonna give you deal, less competition. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:04:06 AM EDT
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There are plenty of other places for this discussion, guys.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:28:12 AM EDT
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There are plenty of other places for this discussion, guys. This. Post the deals in this thread. The SS comments can be added to threads like this one, or go post it up in their Industry Forum. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:45:39 PM EDT
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Any super deals on MIST-22?
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:49:08 PM EDT
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Would anyone be kind enough to link the major players when it comes to online suppressor deals? I'm not happy with changes at Silencer Shop and will now be shopping around a lot.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:57:56 PM EDT
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Would anyone be kind enough to link the major players when it comes to online suppressor deals? I'm not happy with changes at Silencer Shop and will now be shopping around a lot. Look through the older pages in the thread before people posted their dislike of SS in here. Common ones are Capital Armory, Cherokee Gun an Pawn, Hanson Brothers, Quiet Riot Firearms, Tar Heel State Firearms (mostly around holidays, not as many flash sales as the others) |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:07:04 PM EDT
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Would anyone be kind enough to link the major players when it comes to online suppressor deals? I'm not happy with changes at Silencer Shop and will now be shopping around a lot. These are the ones that I'm aware of www.capitalarmory.com Cherokee pawn http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69 http://www.quietriotfirearms.com/Default.asp |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:19:30 PM EDT
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I'd also put Tar Heel State Firearms in the mix. Yes, Scott is my local dealer, but plenty of people across the country have bought from him and also used his engraving services.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:27:59 PM EDT
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Any super deals on MIST-22? What is a super deal? The lowest I have seen is $499, here, |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:38:06 PM EDT
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Any super deals on MIST-22? What is a super deal? The lowest I have seen is $499, here, I haven't shopped around for them...but THSF has the standard for $525 and the takedown for $545. Not sure if there's much negotiation room in those prices or not. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:59:37 PM EDT
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I haven't shopped around for them...but THSF has the standard for $525 and the takedown for $545. Not sure if there's much negotiation room in those prices or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any super deals on MIST-22? What is a super deal? The lowest I have seen is $499, here, I haven't shopped around for them...but THSF has the standard for $525 and the takedown for $545. Not sure if there's much negotiation room in those prices or not. Looks like Capitol Armory has either model for $525 |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 1:24:53 AM EDT
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I recall hearing about Cherokee Pawn a few times over the past several months in regards to deals. But I could never find out what their website is. Any chance you guys have it?
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Posted: 8/5/2015 1:30:40 AM EDT
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I recall hearing about Cherokee Pawn a few times over the past several months in regards to deals. But I could never find out what their website is. Any chance you guys have it? Lol. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 3:20:05 AM EDT
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I recall hearing about Cherokee Pawn a few times over the past several months in regards to deals. But I could never find out what their website is. Any chance you guys have it? No website. You have to call. They are located in Canton, Georgia. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:07:10 AM EDT
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I'd also put Tar Heel State Firearms in the mix. Yes, Scott is my local dealer, but plenty of people across the country have bought from him and also used his engraving services. I can echo this. He was one of the first people to have Omega's in stock and for less than other dealers. BW you should suggest to him to consider making the new delayed payment program a thing for all suppressors 
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:11:10 AM EDT
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BW you should suggest to him to consider making the new delayed payment program a thing for all suppressors That'd be nice, wouldn't it? (I just texted him a link to your post) 
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:30:20 AM EDT
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No website. You have to call. They are located in Canton, Georgia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recall hearing about Cherokee Pawn a few times over the past several months in regards to deals. But I could never find out what their website is. Any chance you guys have it? No website. You have to call. They are located in Canton, Georgia. Maybe someone needs to barter some and technical skill in exchange for a mini-4 
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:31:24 AM EDT
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Would anyone be kind enough to link the major players when it comes to online suppressor deals? I'm not happy with changes at Silencer Shop and will now be shopping around a lot. While some of these other dealers do run better deals, I'm not sure that Silencer Shop's new program is going to have any real effect on folks outside of TX. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:46:52 AM EDT
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Any super deals on MIST-22? What is a super deal? The lowest I have seen is $499, here, They were $467 awhile back at Capitol - Honestly now I'm a bit on the fence. Looks like they're no longer porting them, so they're not subsonic with any ammo like they originally were. Apparently they had an issue with removing the sleeve due to the port fouling the threads. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 12:12:17 PM EDT
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That'd be nice, wouldn't it? (I just texted him a link to your post)
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BW you should suggest to him to consider making the new delayed payment program a thing for all suppressors That'd be nice, wouldn't it? (I just texted him a link to your post)
Like 90-days same as cash at your local tire shop. Update: how about this? Not exactly the same. But could help. Stamp + 1/3 of cost at time of purchase. Another 1/3 at 30 days and final 1/3 at 60. Form 4 (for NC/SC) submitted upon initial payment. Also valid for out of state purchases. F3 will be submitted with first payment (no stamp cost), but can would be held until final payment (assuming F3 approved in <60 days). Either way, no fee added into the price. Just a way for people to get the ball rolling. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 3:13:13 PM EDT
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They were $467 awhile back at Capitol - Honestly now I'm a bit on the fence. Looks like they're no longer porting them, so they're not subsonic with any ammo like they originally were. Apparently they had an issue with removing the sleeve due to the port fouling the threads. When did they stop porting them? I have one in the works right now, but it came from dealer stock so it was manufactured late last year. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 3:54:39 PM EDT
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When did they stop porting them? I have one in the works right now, but it came from dealer stock so it was manufactured late last year. It's been at least a couple months. This thread had some of the discussion around the rationale. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 5:44:35 PM EDT
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BW you should suggest to him to consider making the new delayed payment program a thing for all suppressors That'd be nice, wouldn't it? (I just texted him a link to your post)
Like 90-days same as cash at your local tire shop. Update: how about this? . I'm good with that Has there been anymore word on Eform4 coming back this month or next, or has that changed
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Posted: 8/5/2015 6:40:58 PM EDT
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Your in Michigan so as long as you can get the item at a great price nothing changes for you. But I doubt the dealers are gonna give you deal, less competition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SSD was good, but Capitol Armory exceeded my expectations. CA had already become the 1 stop shop for me. My last email to Torrey was replied to within 10 min at 11pm CST. Great cs and specials. However this SS change does seem strange for at least their general customers. My Capitol Armory ordering experience was excellent as well and I certainly hope they don't go the SS route. Your in Michigan so as long as you can get the item at a great price nothing changes for you. But I doubt the dealers are gonna give you deal, less competition. I'd venture to say you're right. Speaking of deals, no stocking dealer within 3hrs of had deals when I was ready to purchase. Back on topic. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 6:43:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2015 6:55:51 PM EDT
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They were $467 awhile back at Capitol - Honestly now I'm a bit on the fence. Looks like they're no longer porting them, so they're not subsonic with any ammo like they originally were. Apparently they had an issue with removing the sleeve due to the port fouling the threads. When did they stop porting them? I have one in the works right now, but it came from dealer stock so it was manufactured late last year. Basically the ports were so close to the threading of the outter sleeve, that they were fouling the threads and you couldn't remove the sleeve from the can. Try tried moving them further, but apparently that didn't help. So now they dont port them. Which sucks. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 7:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryStill needs a choke mount; I can't find it listed anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 8:02:30 PM EDT
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Basically the ports were so close to the threading of the outter sleeve, that they were fouling the threads and you couldn't remove the sleeve from the can. Try tried moving them further, but apparently that didn't help. So now they dont port them. Which sucks. But they'll add them if you want them for the cost of return shipping. |
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