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That's my thought. It'll pretty much live on the 77/357 after I get it SBR'd. Then when I can afford a Ron Williams .357 mag 10.5" AR upper it'll swap between them. I have a strange love of .357 Will probably go with an 11" bbl so the end of the trilug is even with the end of the stock. No worries about damaging the wood that way. That or I'll just open the inlet a touch more and embed a sacrificial thin section of steel to protect the wood. Donno yet. Figure I have a good while to think about it before I'll have the money anyhow. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Won't be as quiet (but probably a minimal difference IMO) but wouldn't have any pressure issues. As quiet as what? http://rs215.pbsrc.com/albums/cc280/bleurgh_bucket/facepalm.jpg~c200 It's been one of those days. Anyhow, it probably won't be as quiet as a 9mm can because of more gas passing through the baffles, but it would get restricted by the end cap. So I can't imagine it would be a huge noise difference. Out of curiosity, I wonder if anyone has tested that with a db meter. Personally I'm looking at multi caliber cans myself, but am strongly leaning towards the Mystic-X since odds are I'm not going to have anything in larger than a .357 bullet for a while, but it'll take 9mm, 223, etc. Hard to beat the Mystic for a carbine can, that's a fact. That's my thought. It'll pretty much live on the 77/357 after I get it SBR'd. Then when I can afford a Ron Williams .357 mag 10.5" AR upper it'll swap between them. I have a strange love of .357 Will probably go with an 11" bbl so the end of the trilug is even with the end of the stock. No worries about damaging the wood that way. That or I'll just open the inlet a touch more and embed a sacrificial thin section of steel to protect the wood. Donno yet. Figure I have a good while to think about it before I'll have the money anyhow. I also have a fondness for 38/357. I have 3 carbine hosts. Btw, Rocky mountain reloading has .358 Speer 180 gr and 250gr jacketed Flat point hot core 2nds in stock right now. Perfect for 357 carbines. 15% off use coupon code "hunting2016" They are hard to find at reasonable prices. Stack em deep if you can. http://rmrbullets.com/product-category/bullets-for-reloading/358-9-1mm/ |
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I just had to look at that link. No available funds right now.
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Last night I was watching the FX show Atlanta. In Episode 3 a drug dealer kidnaps a man and then releases him in the woods, only to shoot him while he runs away. I am fairly certain the dealer was using a stainless/nutmeg 77/357.
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Oooooh, my 35 REM Contender and 77/357 thank you for that. Order in! Once my Hybrid stamp gets in...... super loads with 180s and sub loads with 250s for both. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/Handguns/35rem-TC_zpssxyj7css.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Btw, Rocky mountain reloading has .358 Speer 180 gr and 250gr jacketed Flat point hot core 2nds in stock right now. Perfect for 357 carbines. 15% off use coupon code "hunting2016" They are hard to find at reasonable prices. ... Oooooh, my 35 REM Contender and 77/357 thank you for that. Order in! Once my Hybrid stamp gets in...... super loads with 180s and sub loads with 250s for both. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/Handguns/35rem-TC_zpssxyj7css.jpg Any thoughts on load data for the 250gr subs? So far, 245gr cast is the heaviest I've loaded in the Rooga. It ran 1070fps in the 18" bbl over 8.5gr lil gun in 38spl brass. I'm not sure the 250gr Speer can be loaded short enough to feed From the mag. I just ordered another 500 of the 200gr TMJ .358 speer. Under 15 cents each, hard to say no. |
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... Any thoughts on load data for the 250gr subs? So far, 245gr cast is the heaviest I've loaded in the Rooga. It ran 1070fps in the 18" bbl over 8.5gr lil gun in 38spl brass. I'm not sure the 250gr Speer can be loaded short enough to feed From the mag. ... View Quote I am at 7.7gr Lil'gun in 38SPL brass for 1040fps from my 16" 77/357 with 245gr PCCB. Probably be pretty close to that for me. |
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View Quote Great article |
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Looks like $690-730 is the running right now, but I'd say we're under 1/2 of the guys that had them in stock this time last week.
https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/77%252F357 |
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Hopefully they release them again with threaded barrels or at least release a Ruger American version in 357 and 44.
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View Quote Great job Pete! |
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Thank you (and everyone) for the pics! |
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View Quote Another great article. |
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View Quote Excellent work! |
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+1 This thread inspired me to buy my Ruger and Liberty Cosmic. Hopefully your article hips more people to them. |
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Picked mine up tonight. Everything looks good so far, but one of the action screws are ungodly tight, so I can't take the action out of the stock. I actually chipped off the head of a screwdriver trying to get it free. Will be taking by a smith tomorrow to get it loose.
Beyond that, I'm happy as hell. Mag cycled snap ca[s without issue and was easy to load as well. |
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Picked mine up tonight. Everything looks good so far, but one of the action screws are ungodly tight, so I can't take the action out of the stock. I actually chipped off the head of a screwdriver trying to get it free. Will be taking by a smith tomorrow to get it loose. Beyond that, I'm happy as hell. Mag cycled snap ca[s without issue and was easy to load as well. View Quote Awesome. Finally in the club. |
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Picked mine up tonight. Everything looks good so far, but one of the action screws are ungodly tight, so I can't take the action out of the stock. I actually chipped off the head of a screwdriver trying to get it free. Will be taking by a smith tomorrow to get it loose. Beyond that, I'm happy as hell. Mag cycled snap ca[s without issue and was easy to load as well. View Quote Congrats! Its a very fun carbine. Just go ahead and order the Volquartsen sear! |
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What are you guys getting for accuracy without the cans?
I bought a used (looked almost new) one at a local shop and was seriously suprised at the poor accuracy . I used all the usual tricks , tried various weight bullets both lead and jacketed. Reloads and factory with everything from target 38 to full house 357 . Cleaned very well and looked hard at chamber , throat , bore and crown . Best it shot off a solid rest with a good scope was about 5" at 50yds . Trigger sucked but taking my time on the rest should have covered most of that . I finally threw my hands in the air and sold it off . I suppose I could have returned it to Ruger but I didn't have the patience and the couple of times in the past I did that they didn't help me a bit . Stainless Ranch rifle and 9mm police carbine. All these guns couldn't hit shit but Ruger claimed they met factory specs. I have had some guys claim Ruger barrels are a crap shoot , some are great , most ok but some are real stinkers. At any rate I would be interested to see what folks are getting for sccuracy? |
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What are you guys getting for accuracy without the cans? I bought a used (looked almost new) one at a local shop and was seriously suprised at the poor accuracy . I used all the usual tricks , tried various weight bullets both lead and jacketed. Reloads and factory with everything from target 38 to full house 357 . Cleaned very well and looked hard at chamber , throat , bore and crown . Best it shot off a solid rest with a good scope was about 5" at 50yds . Trigger sucked but taking my time on the rest should have covered most of that . I finally threw my hands in the air and sold it off . I suppose I could have returned it to Ruger but I didn't have the patience and the couple of times in the past I did that they didn't help me a bit . Stainless Ranch rifle and 9mm police carbine. All these guns couldn't hit shit but Ruger claimed they met factory specs. I have had some guys claim Ruger barrels are a crap shoot , some are great , most ok but some are real stinkers. At any rate I would be interested to see what folks are getting for sccuracy? View Quote Yeah, something was wrong there. I can hold less than an inch at 50 yards. How was the crown? |
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Congrats! Its a very fun carbine. Just go ahead and order the Volquartsen sear! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Picked mine up tonight. Everything looks good so far, but one of the action screws are ungodly tight, so I can't take the action out of the stock. I actually chipped off the head of a screwdriver trying to get it free. Will be taking by a smith tomorrow to get it loose. Beyond that, I'm happy as hell. Mag cycled snap ca[s without issue and was easy to load as well. Congrats! Its a very fun carbine. Just go ahead and order the Volquartsen sear! Sear is getting ordered today. Figure I had to email them yesterday about shipping to AK but got an answer back this morning already. It's not even 8 am yet. Edit: Ordered a bit ago, so they'll hopefully be on my bed when I get back from my trip. Got the sear and 77/22 extended mag release that *should* fit. Worst case, it's not like a good friend of mine doesn't own a machine shop if I need to do any fitting. Mags, replacement front sight, and skinner peep rear will be on order around the 10th of October as well. |
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Yeah, something was wrong there. I can hold less than an inch at 50 yards. How was the crown? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What are you guys getting for accuracy without the cans? I bought a used (looked almost new) one at a local shop and was seriously surprised at the poor accuracy . I used all the usual tricks , tried various weight bullets both lead and jacketed. Reloads and factory with everything from target 38 to full house 357 . Cleaned very well and looked hard at chamber , throat , bore and crown . Best it shot off a solid rest with a good scope was about 5" at 50yds . Trigger sucked but taking my time on the rest should have covered most of that . I finally threw my hands in the air and sold it off . I suppose I could have returned it to Ruger but I didn't have the patience and the couple of times in the past I did that they didn't help me a bit . Stainless Ranch rifle and 9mm police carbine. All these guns couldn't hit shit but Ruger claimed they met factory specs. I have had some guys claim Ruger barrels are a crap shoot , some are great , most ok but some are real stinkers. At any rate I would be interested to see what folks are getting for sccuracy? Yeah, something was wrong there. I can hold less than an inch at 50 yards. How was the crown? I don't have a borescope but I did the eye spy thing with a magnifying glass and a strong light and it looked pretty good ? |
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My guess would be stock torque. A few in-lbs over could wreck accuracy.
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Volquartsen seat and mag release should be here Saturday. I get home from my trip Friday night. So if I can install them Saturday, I'll have a range report Sunday.
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I know I asked this earlier, but I feel like there has been enough time for people with 44's to chime in. Waiting on an obsidian and with ruger's recent decision I feel like it's now or never. Would a 44 or a 357 be a better host, assuming both shooting 38/44 special subs?
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IMO I'd go with the .38/357. .38 is more common than .44 special in my experience. The big deciding factor would be if you are going to handload though. You can do some hellishly heavy .44 loads that .357 can't match. Otherwise, round for round, I'd go with the 77/357 if you can find one.
Edit: Some quick price searching Cheapest I'm seeing on the 357 is ~$650+ shipping https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/7405 $520-675 on the 44 https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/77%252F44 |
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IMO I'd go with the .38/357. .38 is more common than .44 special in my experience. The big deciding factor would be if you are going to handload though. You can do some hellishly heavy .44 loads that .357 can't match. Otherwise, round for round, I'd go with the 77/357 if you can find one. Edit: Some quick price searching Cheapest I'm seeing on the 357 is ~$650+ shipping https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/7405 $520-675 on the 44 https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/77%252F44 View Quote I don't load for either, but could easily start Edit: I see what you meant, 38 special is waay easier to find |
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I don't load for either, but could easily start Edit: I see what you meant, 38 special is waay easier to find View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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IMO I'd go with the .38/357. .38 is more common than .44 special in my experience. The big deciding factor would be if you are going to handload though. You can do some hellishly heavy .44 loads that .357 can't match. Otherwise, round for round, I'd go with the 77/357 if you can find one. Edit: Some quick price searching Cheapest I'm seeing on the 357 is ~$650+ shipping https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/7405 $520-675 on the 44 https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/77%252F44 I don't load for either, but could easily start Edit: I see what you meant, 38 special is waay easier to find I bought the .44, because I wanted to throw the biggest chunk of lead possible. I'm kinda wishing that I had gone with the .357 now. The price of factory ammo is ridiculous, compared to .38spl. You are also limited to about 300gr max on the .44, whereas people are loading 240+ in the .357s. That kinda evens the playing field in my opinion. Either way, they are fun guns and you can't really go wrong. |
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Heads up, Vizards has mags for $23 and change with $14 flat rate shipping. Cheapest I can find online, and considering that the mags might not be made anymore, I'm grabbing a few. 4x is ~110 shipped. Granted, if you got more it would be the same so long as it's from the same warehouse.
http://vizardsgunsandammo.com/ruger-90345-77-357-357-remington-magnum-5-rd-black-finish/ Edit: just got an email saying my order is cancelled because shipping to AK and Hawaii is $35 |
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As a heads up, XS sights is discontinuing their sight sets for the 77/22/357/44 guns and is on "inventory only" till they sell out. Personally I like the low profile skinner peep better because it sits in the sight dovetail, BUT XS makes a quality product. It is a bit bulkier than the skinner set but damn near bombproof.
https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=993594&CAT=9678 |
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Heads up, Vizards has mags for $23 and change with $14 flat rate shipping. Cheapest I can find online, and considering that the mags might not be made anymore, I'm grabbing a few. 4x is ~110 shipped. Granted, if you got more it would be the same so long as it's from the same warehouse. http://vizardsgunsandammo.com/ruger-90345-77-357-357-remington-magnum-5-rd-black-finish/ Edit: just got an email saying my order is cancelled because shipping to AK and Hawaii is $35 View Quote Thanks for the link! For those of us who followed ARFcom rules and got both, the 77/44 mags are same price: http://vizardsgunsandammo.com/ruger-90176-77-44-44-remington-magnum-4-rd-black-finish/ |
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So if I can get the money together I might submit my form 1 to SBR my rifle after Christmas. Apparently I'm staying with my folks for a while so it's a good enough time.
Where did you guys get the engraving done on the receiver? |
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Tigger and bolt shims installed in ~10 minutes. 0.003 for the bolt and a single 0.002 for the trigger side movement. It's amazing how much two shims made in how the rifle feels.
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(Not a post about silencers but it's relevant to the thread)
I just installed a Volquartsen sear in my 77/44. Holy shit what a nice trigger now. It's light enough that I'm considering swapping back in the OEM spring to see if it might make it a tad heavier since I'm wearing gloves when I hunt sometimes. |
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(Not a post about silencers but it's relevant to the thread) I just installed a Volquartsen sear in my 77/44. Holy shit what a nice trigger now. It's light enough that I'm considering swapping back in the OEM spring to see if it might make it a tad heavier since I'm wearing gloves when I hunt sometimes. View Quote I hadn't thought about that. If I had a trigger gauge I'd do it real quick to answer it for you. Let me know how it turns out. |
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I tried the OEM spring with the Volquartsen sear... I'd have to say it's probably at least halfway back to the original weight.
I might go back with the new spring... it's not too much light than my 30-06. It sucks to try back to back since you have to take the whole thing apart again. Id like to check it with a gauge, but I don't have one. If nothing else I can put the really light spring in for the bench shooting (checking reloads) and put the stock spring back in for hunting. |
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bump to keep out of archives, unless the 30 day rule changed.
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Anyone know whether these rifles are gonna come back to the production line? Has the RAR killed them? I'd love to have one.
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