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NinerMaine
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:29:13 PM
[Last Edit: 10/10/2012 5:03:26 PM by NinerMaine]

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The Story: My form arrived at my FFL this morning and I went and picked it up. Brought it home, read the instructions, checked everything out and went to the range. I put 60 rounds through the silencer with it on my AR15 with out a hitch. I then transferred it to my AK, put it on properly, double checked it, fired one round, checked the tightness of the fit, it clicked tighter one click. Put 4 more rounds through it. All 5 rounds were loud. I checked the silencer and found that I had one or multiple baffle strikes.

Details: Surpressor: YHM SS Phantom, Model 3400A 308
Mount: YHM QD muzzle break, 308
Host: Romanian AK '63 put together on a NoDak Spud reciever by a gun smith.
Ammo: Wolf 7.62 x 39

The mount was put on by my gunsmith who is also a machinist. He also checked for me that the threads were aligned correctly on the muzzle of the AK. I paid him for this service and he is a licensed gunsmith and has done excellent work for me in the past.

The Damage: There are two big bumps and 2 small bumps on the tub. The baffles are obviously ruined and the end cap has a new whole. I cannot get the can off of the QD mount and I have not yet removed the mount from the rifle.

Questions:

1. What do you think went wrong?
2. I cannot call YKM today, do you think they will cover this?
3. Should I show this to my gunsmith first? Or just contact YKM on Tuesday?
4. Do you think this can be fixed or is it trash now.
5. Any other comments or suggests on what my next steps are and/or what my options are.

Thanks.

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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:39:34 PM
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Holy Sheeeite! You checked it so it wasn't shooting loose. The threads were true. Hmmm.

Man, I feel for you. Especially after all that wait. :(
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:41:25 PM
WAG... non-concentric bore on the AK.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:48:35 PM
Originally Posted By NinerMaine:

The mount was put on by my gunsmith who is also a machinist. He also checked for me that the threads were aligned correctly on the muzzle of the AK. I paid him for this service and he is a licensed gunsmith and has done excellent work for me in the past.



Correct to the muzzle or Correct to the bore?
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:52:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Backnblack:
Originally Posted By NinerMaine:

The mount was put on by my gunsmith who is also a machinist. He also checked for me that the threads were aligned correctly on the muzzle of the AK. I paid him for this service and he is a licensed gunsmith and has done excellent work for me in the past.



Correct to the muzzle or Correct to the bore?
My assumption was correct to the bore and the muzzle. During the 7 month wait I told him that I was waiting on a surpressor for an AK and he told me I should have it looked at to make sure it was all aligned. So... I brought it in and he installed the mount and told me the alignment was good to go. He is a top notch gunsmith and a seasoned and experienced machinist. I have had nothing but outstanding work done by him before. He also did the same for me with a 303 Enfield. He found the bore was slightly warped and straitened it out for me. I did not get a chance to run the silencer on the 303.

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Posted: 9/1/2012 8:15:01 PM
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Did he pull the barrel from the gun and check it on a thread runout gauge? Or was it checked for concentricity prior to assembling?

The bore wasn't concentric to the threads. If you have concentric threads, you have no baffle strikes/bubbles/.50cal oblong keyhole bore on the endcap/etc.

You're back in wait mode now.

Good luck OP.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 8:22:25 PM
AKs are notorious for non-concentric threads. They honestly make terrible suppressor host in general. That suppressor tube looks like a goner to me. Because of the Gem-tax (original definition) you'll at the very least have to pony up for another $200 tax stamp. Hopefully YHM offers to sell you a new can at a greatly discounted rate. But to be honest, this doesn't look to be a failure of their product. But I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. I'd say give them a call on Tuesday. Also, see about sending your AK host in to them so they can take a look at it.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 8:36:49 PM
Call YHM on Tuesday, ask for Nate. I had a baffle-strike due to suppressor being loose (issue with Left-hand threads on barrel and right-hand threads on adapter, but I digress) Talked to Nate, had to get a new core. What you posted does not look to me like a baffle-strike from a loose supressor, looks to me that it's along the lines of what others have posted- your muzzle device is not concentric to the bore of the barrel. ATF says if the tube has to be replaced the whole can gets destroyed and you buy a new can and pay another $200. I would suggest sending your AK-47 barrel in with your can so YHM can check alignment. If the issue is with their can they will take care of you.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:02:59 PM
Keep Shooting it. I think its is new junk.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By LMTRocks:
Did he pull the barrel from the gun and check it on a thread runout gauge? Or was it checked for concentricity prior to assembling?


I honestly do not know nor claim to understand how one would check. Which is why I hired some one to do it for me. I do remember him saying that after attaching the QD adaptor/muzzle device he put something inside the bore ( a rod of some sort) to check for alignment. Beyond that I do not know. I have faith in him (or had at this point I am not sure) as he has done excellent work for me in the past. I do find it hard to believe that he did not do it correctly as he is the one that was aware of the problem with ak's and suggested it get checked out and is very knowledgeable and experienced about such things. I believe, although I do not know, that if the bore was not concentric to the threads he would have discovered that fact.

Based on that assumption, is it possible that one of the baffles in the can was not in the right place? When I shot the AR it did not matter because the bullet was much smaller. But when the 7.62 bullet went through it struck the misplaced baffle and went off course?
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:07:36 PM
did you look down the bore with the suppressor mounted to see if there was any interference before firing?
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:11:18 PM
DUDE, that sux

Talk about ruining your day
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:13:16 PM
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Honestly I think the best course of action is to call YHM, talk to Nate (their suppressor guy) and send them your barrel with the muzzle device you used, and the can. They will check all the stuff and tell you what went wrong. No sense pointing fingers at your 'smith right now. Wait until you know for sure what happened.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:16:58 PM
Bore was not aligned. Id hold your GS responsible since he "verified" the bore. Sorry dude.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:24:51 PM
I think this is sound advice. I will call on Tuesday and send the gun in as is and they will examine it and tell me what is what. Before sending it to YHM, I will also take it to my GS and have it look at it and see what he says. I have looked down the bore after the fact and it does not look misaligned. But I am not certain I could tell by looking. Also, it appears that just the last couple of baffles were hit and not the front ones near the bore of the rifle. I am not sure what that means in terms of what went wrong.
Originally Posted By Gopherboy128:
Honestly I think the best course of action is to call YHM, talk to Nate (their suppressor guy) and send them your barrel with the muzzle device you used, and the can. They will check all the stuff and tell you what went wrong. No sense pointing fingers at your 'smith right now. Wait until you know for sure what happened.

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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:27:22 PM
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Originally Posted By glock223:

Talk about ruining your day

Yep... pretty much. But I think the ruination will extend beyond a day. Especially when I consider the cost.

Can 700
Stamp 200
3 Adaptors 250
Enfield rifle 150 (sporterized, drilled, tapped and scope, muzzle threaded and barrel un-warped)
GS fees 175

1475 and a 7 month wait for 60 rounds of suppressed fire in the AR
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:31:56 PM
You're lucky it didn't grenade in front of you. I've never seen a strike like that.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:44:34 PM
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Posted: 9/1/2012 10:25:36 PM
I was just saying how strong these cans are thanks for helping to prove that.
I've seen aks with the barrels drilled all kinds of fucked up ways. Including haveing what looked like a small balloon in the barrel
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Posted: 9/1/2012 10:43:54 PM
Tag to see what YHM says about this
I am glad to see that their suppressor tubes can take a bullet strike from the inside
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Posted: 9/2/2012 12:57:38 AM
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Posted: 9/2/2012 1:01:36 AM
AK/Gunsmith's fault.

Hopefully, YHM will build another one on the same S/N to save you the hassle of another Form 4.
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Posted: 9/2/2012 1:44:55 AM
Originally Posted By Danner130:
AK/Gunsmith's fault.

Hopefully, YHM will build another one on the same S/N to save you the hassle of another Form 4.


I dont think that would be legal. If they do have to warranty the whole thing he may just have to pay the $200 stamp again and hopefully get a new can for free.
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Posted: 9/2/2012 1:45:04 AM
wow that is bad news

very sorry to see this

let's hope they will be able to offer you a solution that does not involve another 7 months wait and the replacement cost


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Posted: 9/2/2012 3:17:46 AM
i would never trust any stock AK barrel even with a new thread job that is concentric to the bore.
I have worked on many AK's and many of them didnt have very good barrels,
some made keyholes in paper without any muzzle device.
I feel sad for your new can loss
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Posted: 9/2/2012 4:59:59 AM
A "good" gunsmith/machinist would never use the "dowel trick" on a paying customer's AK.

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