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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:48:56 PM

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I'm a total noob to supressors, but I've heard good things about the Surefires.
I've also heard good things about the YHM suppressors as well.
But I'm not married to the idea of only those two manufacturers.
I'm looking for a QD mount in 7.62 to use primarily on a 11.5 inch barreled 5.56, but also on a 7.62 rifle as well.

I'm most interested in noise reduction, followed by size, then weight.
Since many manufacturers are making supressors in titanium these days, weight isnt as big a deal to me.

Looking forward to hearing from you guys with supressors...
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Posted: 6/5/2012 2:00:59 PM
I don't care about a couple ounces between makes, but the 7.62 cans can be around 10oz heavier with some models (YHM) vs. cans from surefire or AAC. half a pound more hanging off the end of the barrel is a big deal in my opinion, as is 2+ inches. I don't care nearly as much about the sound reduction as most seem to do about the same as far as what you can actually detect with your ear when you are out using them. I said "about the same", not trying to start a brand war. Just speaking from a pragmatic perspective.

I was planing to get the new AAC 7.62 that came out for the .300 BLK. However, recently I've gotten frustrated with the AAC mounting system. I don't think I'll contine investing it in. It seems weak and prone to wear. My new m4 200 in 6.8 has barely been used and already the can backs off a half click which makes the latch extremely hard to push for some reason. Now they have 90T mount which means 51T mount options will eventually follow the fate of the 18T mounts. I also have decided I don't care for the mounts like AAC and YHM with a wide "ratchet ring" at the base of the mount. Visually, it looks bad and also seems like the teeth are vulnurable to damage.

I have high hopes for the new SilencerCo Saker which should be out in a 7.62 version at some point, hopefully "soon". If not, I may bite the bullet for a surefire.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 3:03:57 PM
i agree a lot with elessar about aac and there QD system, my next can will be a surefire, they are not the quietest but i love their brakes, mounting system, and POI lack of shift
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Posted: 6/5/2012 6:52:46 PM
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If you are wanting a 30 cal can to use on both 30 and an AR in 223 I would recommend an SAS 30 cal QD can. I have it and a SF FA556212 and if I had the SAS in my posession before the SF I would NOT have gotten the SF. Granted its a short 223 can vs a 300 win mag rated can .. but the 30 cal SAS suppresses 223 just fine and is a fraction of the cost of a SF. I think the SAS QD is around 600 with additional mounts at 75.

Randy Pennington @ Mile High Shooting Supply is the guy to go to for ordering one. Dealing directly with SAS is not ideal as the owner works way too many hours at a "real job" and then spends his off time making quality suppressors. Hence getting a hold of SAS directly is hard at times.

Just my $.02

ETA: I would also have your FFL/SOT dealer get ahold of Mack Brothers Suppressors. They are relatively unknown but have been in the mfg business for a long time ( they machine all of Badger Ordinance gear ) . They are producing some VERY NICE cans. If memory serves me correctly their 30 QD is around 800 ish.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 7:02:26 PM
For a 7.62/5.56 can the AAC SDN-6 is pretty hard to beat. The mounts aren't amazing but that can is a good price for a great quality can and vs the 7.62 surefire's its a great deal. Surfire makes a 7.62 Mini which is a reamed out FA556-212A which would work good for 5.56 and be small and lighter but sound performance would be poor when shooting 7.62 I think.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:11:08 PM
Still holding out for KAC's QDC lineup.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:24:44 AM
NO... NOT worth the $$$$$ for sure fire cans.

they are ugly with all external welds and only cost a lot because the military uses them and are 90% of their sales. there fore they don't care about the civilian market or competing with the likes of AAC, GemTech, YHM and the likes.
i've used the SF cans that were on our M40A5s, they were cool but no way i would pay $1,500+ for one when i can get an AAC for $1,000 or so.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:37:54 AM
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Still holding out for KAC's QDC lineup.


I am too...but in the mean time I ordered a 762SDN6 for my EMC. Stamp was approved last week. I'd still be waiting if I were to hold off so it is what it is for now. KAC makes great kit but the wait times can become unbearable. I'm still waiting on them to release the URX III Mid Length rail...


I'd recommend the SDN6 if you don't want to wait. If you won't be ready to purchase for a few more months get the SR-7 as the mount is a little better, but I have a hard time seeing the value in Surefires suppressors. You're paying a decent amount more for a nice mounting system and slightly poorer sound performance in most cases. I'm no fanboy as I've used a few different brands of cans but I felt the AAC was a better value buy. It's full inconel, the mount is still good, and it's durable as heck. They are quiet too so that doesn't hurt as it's the main purpose of the suppressor.

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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:17:59 AM
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Yes they are worth the money. They have the best attaching system and they have near zero shift from can on or off. They repeat also if that matters to you.

I shoot mine at night with no flash thru the PVS-14. What more do you want out of a can?

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Posted: 6/6/2012 10:30:25 AM
Thanks for all the replies guys. I do appreciate everyone's input and comments.

What sort of maintenance is required for suppressors?

Disassemble and wipe clean after every range session?
Disassemble and soak in solvents?
Disassemble and CLP on a brush to clean?

Again, sorry for the questions, just trying to learn here.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:05:10 PM
Originally Posted By MaxxII:
Thanks for all the replies guys. I do appreciate everyone's input and comments.

What sort of maintenance is required for suppressors?

Disassemble and wipe clean after every range session?
Disassemble and soak in solvents?
Disassemble and CLP on a brush to clean?

Again, sorry for the questions, just trying to learn here.


I have SF cans in the ATF processing for my 5.56 and my 7.62. A bit pricey but I thought them worth it.

I think most people would say that cans on center fire ammo weapons just run without need of maintenance. Many AREN'T built for owners to dissemble so aside from throwing them in an ultra-sonic cleaner there isn't much you can do. 22LR cans get dirty much faster and typically come apart to ease in cleaning.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:41:35 PM
Regarding zero shift––-

Concentric threading on a barrel is more important for minimizing zero shift. Ops, Inc. checks their mounts for concentricity, although each MFG for a suppressor should specify how close threads need to be for their suppressors. It is entirely possible to have the suppressor mount to the same place each time with SF, AAC, and YHM since the mounts have ratcheting teeth. Protecting these threads and teeth is the responsibility of a $10 thread protector.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 4:24:12 PM
The claim to fame with Surefire is their mount, and a lack of point of impact change wit/without. It you're planning on always using your rifle with a can I don't know if they are worth it. But if you plan on using it with or without the can, the SF mount will make things a lot nicer.

As for the price, SF has high list prices on all their equipment, but if you shop around, you can get it for far less. Like their 60 round mag - list of 130 bucks, I paid 90 at Midway. For their cans, from what I've seen, you can buy them for hundreds of dollars less that list price - but you may have to call or have the price emailed, as SF does not like dealers listing things for less than full price.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 5:28:30 PM
Originally Posted By MaxxII:
Thanks for all the replies guys. I do appreciate everyone's input and comments.

What sort of maintenance is required for suppressors?

Disassemble and wipe clean after every range session?
Disassemble and soak in solvents?
Disassemble and CLP on a brush to clean?

Again, sorry for the questions, just trying to learn here.


Ill soak my suppressors when black junk starts falling out but I won't mess with them until then. There's no need to wear it out cleaning it.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 5:49:43 AM
Centerfire rifle silencers need very little care. Simply clean the mounting area of all carbon and clean the mount and your done. I use CLP for my centerfire cans. Surefire also provides a heavy duty nylon brush to clean all the carbon out of the female mounting area of the silencer. There is nothing to do to the baffles. Rifle cans burn clean unlike pistol silencers. The high pressures and jacketed ammo keep the baffles clean.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 6:19:51 PM
I paid for my FA556-212 today so it better be good.

I know the AAC has tougher inconel and is cheaper and is maybe even quieter, but I just like the Surefire.

It has alot to do with the outside dimensions. Because the locking ring is external on the surefire and internal on the AAC, it make the Surefire appear much shorter, even though there is only a 1/4" difference.

I paid the extra $200 to get the can I liked better, and Ill have it forever, or at least the majority of my life
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Posted: 6/7/2012 6:26:44 PM
Originally Posted By Saddlerocker:
I paid for my FA556-212 today so it better be good.

I know the AAC has tougher inconel and is cheaper and is maybe even quieter, but I just like the Surefire.

It has alot to do with the outside dimensions. Because the locking ring is external on the surefire and internal on the AAC, it make the Surefire appear much shorter, even though there is only a 1/4" difference.

I paid the extra $200 to get the can I liked better, and Ill have it forever, or at least the majority of my life


That's all that matters! I wouldn't even say that AAC's inconel is tougher either.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 1:09:30 AM
SureFire cans don't have POI shift?

our snipers had cards for the guns, one suppressed and one with out the can. SureFire cans have a POI shift it's just minimal and repeatable from what i've herd, isn't it?
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Posted: 6/8/2012 1:13:41 AM
A few things I don't get...first...who cares about POI shift as long as it's repeatable (which any quality can will be these days)? There are a lot more factors than the mounting system in POI shift. How the threads and crown are cut...barrel profile...can weight...mount consistency (between attaching and detaching)...etc. FWIW...the M24 we had in country with OPS Inc can had one hell of a POI shift...almost 7 inches at 100 M...but it was repeatable and consistent.

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Posted: 6/8/2012 4:27:46 AM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
SureFire cans don't have POI shift?

our snipers had cards for the guns, one suppressed and one with out the can. SureFire cans have a POI shift it's just minimal and repeatable from what i've herd, isn't it?


I don't own a SF suppressor but I don't believe the "no POI shift" claim. I'd believe minimal POI shift but hell, that applies to a lot of cans.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 7:33:08 AM
When I checked my 50 yard zero with my 556-212 can, the POI shift was minimal. It just elongated the group a little higher. Perhaps 1/4"? I say perhaps, because that's within my ability to shoot. If I would have shot the same group without the can (1 10 shot group as opposed to 1, 5 shot group with the can and 1, 5 shot group without the can) I would have been very satisfied,
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Posted: 6/8/2012 8:24:27 AM
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SureFire cans don't have POI shift?



On the 2 guns I mount this can on it's within an inch @ 100 YRDS. The other AR is scoped (Larue upper) so the poi change is detectable. One thing I didn't mention, if you shoot different ammo the POI will change, so naturally if your shooting for real, you need to keep track what ammo hits where....

Surefire makes good stuff, but it will cost a few extra bucks over the other brands. I run 2 AAC silencers and a YHM Phantom 556 can also. The phantom can is a great value and it's built like a tank. AAC makes good stuff too, but I run pistol silencers with them.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 10:34:58 AM
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
SureFire cans don't have POI shift?

our snipers had cards for the guns, one suppressed and one with out the can. SureFire cans have a POI shift it's just minimal and repeatable from what i've herd, isn't it?


I don't own a SF suppressor but I don't believe the "no POI shift" claim. I'd believe minimal POI shift but hell, that applies to a lot of cans.


The repeatable part is what often doesn't apply though.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 6:04:05 PM
I am running an FA556-212 (SF)...chose after working with AAC and toying with YHM. All have decent db reduction. I really am unable to tell a difference, but YMMV. The SF mounts are absolutely the best in my opinion. The claim of minimal POI shift and on/off repeatability have all proven true on my carbines. You should still be able to find a SF can for less than $1200 if you look around. I found one in my own back yard here in Florida after searching North America for three weeks. If you have the $$ you will not be disappointed.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 8:52:14 PM
We started off with one can (a FA762K) with mounts on 6 guns (a mix of .308, 5.56 initially, just added a 300 BLK). The mounting system was our #1 priority and we've been very satisfied with it. Since then we've added rifle, pistol, and rimfire cans from AAC and Silencerco. All the cans are excellent but overall we are are most impressed with the Surefire. Presently have a 5.56 Mini awaiting the ATF, and I'm placing an order for a FA338SS now.

Given the $200 tax, ridiculous wait times ... we just decided the small premium for Surefire was worth it.
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Posted: 6/9/2012 2:14:36 AM
Originally Posted By gasdoc09:
We started off with one can (a FA762K) with mounts on 6 guns (a mix of .308, 5.56 initially, just added a 300 BLK). The mounting system was our #1 priority and we've been very satisfied with it. Since then we've added rifle, pistol, and rimfire cans from AAC and Silencerco. All the cans are excellent but overall we are are most impressed with the Surefire. Presently have a 5.56 Mini awaiting the ATF, and I'm placing an order for a FA338SS now.

Given the $200 tax, ridiculous wait times ... we just decided the small premium for Surefire was worth it.


so i'm guessing that you don't actually live in Cali or....... you are LE maybe?
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