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Could I see some more pics of the supressor mounted to the M4 with the 14.5" barrel in the bottom pic? I would also like to see some pics of the mounting system.

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Posted: 7/11/2006 1:50:21 PM EST

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27dB of sound reduction



Please elaborate on this. What ammo, temps, velocities, barrel lengths?

Also, what is the price?
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The SCAR-SD is hearing safe? Robert Silvers has said the SCAR-SD is louder than the M4-2K which is not hearing safe.


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Hey Fred, since you guys are in charge of designing what's going to hang off the barrel of the SCAR, do you know if FN has any plans to ditch the pencil barrel and go with a HB?
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I'd say the longer barrels, like the Mk16's 18" and the Mk17's 16" and 20" could probably benefit from a heavier, stiffer barrel, given their role. I actuallly figured every version would have an HB, considering the heavy profile of the M4A1 barrel.
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Posted: 7/12/2006 8:39:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By KevinAAC:

Originally Posted By 1928A1:

Originally Posted By FreddyAAC:

27dB of sound reduction



Please elaborate on this. What ammo, temps, velocities, barrel lengths?

Also, what is the price?


XM 193, various temps. (winter thru summer), 10-12fps above unsuppressed, 9"-20".

Retail is $995


What were the numbers at the various temps, what were the velocities of each shot and the respective dB numbers and what barrel length was used for each shot? I should have been clearer in my post. Sorry for that.

I am looking for information like this:

Unsupressed shot from 9" barrel: 169.4 dB Velocity 2674
Suppressed shot from 9" barrel: 139.7 dB Velocity 2689
Temp/Humidity for each string. I assume that you do 10 shot or 20 shot tests and average them out.

I don't think 27dB of reduction is accurate for every single shot, all times of the year, from all barrel lenghts in all atmospheres. 27 could be borderline hearing safe, to not hearing safe depending on the variables.

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Posted: 7/12/2006 11:42:16 AM EST

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I ran the SCAR-SD in a carbine class recently and it performed very well. I was using a 14.5" M4 barrel and a Phantom flash suppressor mount. The carbine handled very nicely.

Crappy picture, but the SCAR-SD also comes with the newly designed pouch. Notice the MOLLE attachment.

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I heard the the AAC S2R suppressor was delayed because of baffle chages resulting from lessons learned during the SCAR-SD suppressor design. How well do these bafles work in the S2R? I heard you just completed testing of the new baffles in the S2R. Any idea on when the S2R will be released or suppression figures?
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Posted: 7/13/2006 12:55:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By FreddyAAC:

...only adds 3.5" to the overall length of the rifle.



Is that 3.5" from the muzzle, or from the FH?
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The baffles have evolved from the original S2R prototype. The baffles are extremely effient. The biggest changes have involved improving the adjustable zero M.I.T.E.R. System, and decreasing the weight and back pressure. We have been working on perfecting the mounting system before production. Many of these improvements originate with the end user, so it takes time to receive the feedback.


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Do you forsee S2R being sold by years end? How much weight reduction from the original 21oz is being shed or is the 21oz figure I have seen after the weight reduction?
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OK one final question, sorry for asking so many, and thank you for answering all my questions. Do you know the amount of barrel that is covered from the shoulder of the barrel where the threads start (where the mount juts up against the barrel) to the point where the back of the suppresor rests? To ask it another way, how much length of the unthreaded portion of the barrel is covered by the suppressor? I have a very limited amount of space for this suppressor to fit and want to know if I can use it for my application or if it is too long.
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Noone seems to know how far back the suppressor rides? Has the final design not been decided on so that why noone can tell me?
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What happened to the new flash hider designs mentioned on the first page?
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Is the 3/4" length reduction also to the suppressor?

According to the AAC website the S2R is supposed to add 4.1" and the M4-2000 adds 5.0" and the SCAR SD adds 3.5"

Does that mean with the other flash hider the M4-2000 only adds 4.25" and the SCAR SD only 2.75" or are those figures above already with the shorter flash hider?

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Also does AAC require the use of Rockset on the flash hiders or are they just tourqued in place?
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Measurements would be great! How much worse is the flash with the SOPMOD flash hider since its so short vs the full length Phantom?
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You said you mount yours very tight, Are there any ill affects than can happen from mounting it tighter than the AAC recomanded 20 to 30lb. I do not have torque wrench so i just put it on and sniged it up real good but dont know how much that is.
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So it only removes a quarter inch from the length with suppressor on for the SOPMOD then? Or are they different lengths of barrel+flash hider when installed that accounts for the other half inch? Thanks for the measurements!

OAL with the 16" like you did with the 14.5" would clarify it.
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I personally love my m42000 but find it messy on my AR. Any word on P90 mounts yet?
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Do the SCAR SD and S2R have reduced back pressure compared to the M4-2000? I have heard lots of people talk about how quet the M42K is but also how much fouling they get.
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I personally love my m42000 but find it messy on my AR. Any word on P90 mounts yet?


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Do the SCAR SD and S2R have reduced back pressure compared to the M4-2000? I have heard lots of people talk about how quet the M42K is but also how much fouling they get.


When your dealing with small efficient suppressors your going to get a lot of blow back that will make the rifle dirty. A larger volume can will not experience as much but it is larger and in today's markets is not as acceptable.

It basically comes down to, you can't get a every thing for free and with high efficiency small cans you get increased fouling.
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