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Posted: 1/9/2002 2:54:15 PM EDT
Anyone ever think you are a fellon for having a weapon with evil features? I find it disconcerting that one of the range officers at the range I went to last weekend, which I have been going to for about five yers, don't understand the CT State AW Ban, and the Crime Bill.

During a cease fire one of the range officers was going down the line examining weapons to make sure they were unloaded with the actions opened. The guy stops at my table, looks over my pre-ban Bushy M4gery and decides its an illegal post ban AW. Mind you the jackass never looked at the left side of the receiver to see who made it (AR15's are illegal in CT), or what the serial number was.
No, instead he comes over to me and asks in an accusatory tone, "what state are you from?". Immediately, I know what he is getting at since many people in CT think ALL prebans are illegal, not realizing that only the AR15 is on the state ban, and that the AR15 is only manufacture by Colt. So, I explain that the gun is a Bushmaster, and not subject to the state ban.
Then he announces, like he's established some kind of incriminating point, "Yeah well, you've got a birdcage and a bayonet lug on that thing." At that I told him simply "its a preban", in as much of a smart ass tone as I could.
What really gets me, besides the ignorance, is that fact that the state is trying to close the range, and here is this numbnuts employee wondering around acting like an asshole. Yeah, there's a great way to muster support for keeping your range open. How did this guy fail to even think of giving me the benefit of the doubt?
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 3:12:46 PM EDT
Sad thing is that if it closes, you lose. If it stays open with ROs like that, you lose.

That is the reason for the anti-gunners, environazis, safety nuts, and developers trying to shut down ranges.

There will not be a replacement if it closes. Eventually, they will all be forced to close, and we will have nowhere to shoot.

Have you considered becoming a RO there?
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 3:34:19 PM EDT
I've had to deal with an asshole like that but in Texas. Most people at the range have worthless dear rifles. I got an attitude from them when I brought my AK 47 and AR 15 there.
So I came back there 3 weekends in a row to piss them off more. Then told them I would be back again with a Tec 9 to enjoy some rapid fire at the pistol range.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 3:39:59 PM EDT
What an idiot who's side was he on the antigunners, most people at the range's are pretty cool and don't give a fuck about those bullshit rules oh well find another place to shoot that is why I like shooting out in the woods no people to harrass you.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 3:42:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:
I've had to deal with an asshole like that but in Texas. Most people at the range have worthless dear rifles. I got an attitude from them when I brought my AK 47 and AR 15 there.
So I came back there 3 weekends in a row to piss them off more. Then told them I would be back again with a Tec 9 to enjoy some rapid fire at the pistol range.



I like the way you think. Know anyone with a Barrett?
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 3:45:06 PM EDT
Walking around at gun shows with an AR "FIXED" teloscopic stock can be fun too! Dickheads!
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 4:49:39 PM EDT
The range I go to in CA doesn't give two shits about your features. As long as it's not auto or short barreled.

I have seen several post bans with offending features, but have never metioned it to anyone, cus I don't care either.


It takes all kinds, including dumb ass know it alls.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 5:01:19 PM EDT
I take a slightly different approach and Offer most anyone, specially the Ill informed an opportunity to fire my EVIL weapons. Makes it easyer to spread the addiction.

After all the Range Nazi's are gun owners too, and we don't need them opposing our ownership of sport utility weapons. We'd be better off converting them than pissing them off. IMHO
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 5:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
Walking around at gun shows with an AR "FIXED" teloscopic stock can be fun too! Dickheads!


Ha Ha! I was at the range with my AR15.com LEGP rifle and some guy saw the 2001 date on the receiver, the fixed teloscopic stock, and the fake press-on flash supressor. Mistaking the look-alike features for the real ones, he became very worried and informed me that my rifle was illegal. I showed him they were fake features, but he still seemed worried that just the pre-ban look would be enough to get me into trouble.

At least he wasn't an ass hole. He was simply genuinely concered that I might get "caught".
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 5:41:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:
I've had to deal with an asshole like that but in Texas. Most people at the range have worthless dear rifles. I got an attitude from them when I brought my AK 47 and AR 15 there.
So I came back there 3 weekends in a row to piss them off more. Then told them I would be back again with a Tec 9 to enjoy some rapid fire at the pistol range.



I get the same idiot looks...The range nazis here are always good for a laugh...last time I was at the range there was this guy who was shouting orders at people..storming up and down the firing line...seeing what a jerk off this guy was I went into piss-off mode..I started with the rapid fire act then followed up with the "I cant hear ya shouting to stop the rapid fire" act...then to really piss them off I rapid fired about 10 rounds of tracers before I left..I just wish that there was nice range here owned by people who REALLY enjoyed guns...
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 5:54:38 PM EDT
It's tired and I'late (and old). Are you being cynical or ar ar15s really illegal in your state. (if so can you expound on this)
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 6:10:40 PM EDT
Our General Assembly prides itself on using CA as a model for gun legislation. In 1993, they passed a law to ban the transfer of a list of firearms. The Colt AR-15 and Sporter were on this list, but not Bushmaster, Armalite, Oly, etc. Anyone owning one of these had to register by a certain date or turn over to an FFL or out-of-state. If moving into the state now, you must dispose or demil.
Last year they tried to update the law using the "evil feature" verbage, like the federal ban, except banning transfers after 10/1/01. Thankfully the bill was compromised to death. We only get hurt if the 1994 fed ban sunsets.
Here's our complete list:
Any select fire weapon (full auto only ok)
Algimec Agmi
Armalite AR-180
Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol
Auto-Ordnance Thompson type
Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type
Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1
Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol
Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88
Colt AR-15 and Sporter
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2
Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45
Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC
FAMAS MAS 223
Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT
Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12
Galil AR and ARM
Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol
Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89
Holmes MP-83
MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type
Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion
Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000
Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only
Scarab Skorpion
SIG 57 AMT and 500 series
Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol
Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3
Sterling MK-6 and MK-7
Steyr AUG
Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns
USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol
Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol

or


A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be rapidly assembed if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 6:18:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2002 6:24:47 PM EDT by 95thFoot]
Come to the Land of the Great White Whale, otherwise known as the Commonwealth of Taxachusetts, home of the bibulous/obnoxious Teddy Kennedy (and his liver, too, I suppose... )- , where despite our insane numb-nutz gun laws, I have never had a problem with shooting ARs or any other kind of gun*, even when shooting it faster than the usual glacial pace of the other shooters, usually hunters "just adjustin' them sights" on their .30-30s and slug guns. Most of the time, I hear from other shooters at ranges I visit and am a member at, "oh, wow, cool, an AR- way to go!", or "can I try it?"

* the only firearm I have ever pissed people off with when firing it is a Brown Bess repro flintlock musket I fired in an enclosed shooting gallery at my local range (Targets are outside.) I asked if anybody would mind if I fired a flintlock. No prob, everybody said. Until... I fired it and, even though the muzzle was outside the building (42" barrel...), the smoke from the flashing pan filled up the gallery..."HEY! who put out the lights??"



...............................
Politicians are the same all over: they promise to build a bridge
even where there is no river.
-- NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV (1960)

Link Posted: 1/9/2002 6:20:30 PM EDT
This is like the line from the Buck Owens song, "You don't know me, but you don't like me."
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 6:27:26 PM EDT
I think it's ridiculas that anyone who enjoys the shooting sports would question someone about a violation of any weapons ban. The AW bans are assinine we all know it and I choose to ignore the features on other shooters weapons. I couldn't possibly care less if someone may be in violation. It's rude to even inquire about the status of a weapon at the range.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 6:31:23 PM EDT
And I thought MA was bad.I'm thankful I can still keep my assault weapons...(but for how long??)
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 8:16:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SF:
Sad thing is that if it closes, you lose. If it stays open with ROs like that, you lose.

That is the reason for the anti-gunners, environazis, safety nuts, and developers trying to shut down ranges.

There will not be a replacement if it closes. Eventually, they will all be forced to close, and we will have nowhere to shoot.

Have you considered becoming a RO there?



Yup, I plan on it this summer if it's still open. It's the closest range to me and their only rules besides gun safety are no machineguns, and no firing of shot at target frames.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 8:29:59 PM EDT

I started with the rapid fire act then followed up with the "I cant hear ya shouting to stop the rapid fire" act...then to really piss them off I rapid fired about 10 rounds of tracers before I left..
.

Are tracers not allowed on most ranges? hock.gif I hope not, I just bought 100 of them! Hell, I'll just move my shooting in to the woods on the state land... or is that scorned too???

Keving67

Link Posted: 1/9/2002 8:32:46 PM EDT
Buck Owens!!

"You don't know me, but you don't like me"

Thats from his song Streets of Bakersfield. Thats the town where he lives.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 8:51:15 PM EDT
One of the best things I have done this year is join a range that is very, very AR friendly. I have found that range that hold High Power matches are usually alot more assult rifle friendly. And this is in Cal., so they are out there.

sgtar15
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 9:20:26 PM EDT
sgtar15 and I belong to the same range/club. The only problem the rangemaster has with AW owners is the jerks who go through 400-500 rounds and never police their brass even though there are cans on the firingline for spent brass. Other than that he thinks we are a cool group. Has even offered to let us (AR15.comers) use one of the LE ranges for a private shoot.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 12:50:21 AM EDT
SGB is right. Stick a AR or a M16 in their hands and watch their eyes light up.
I live 15 min. away from the shooten hole (range) and when the local deer hunters shows up we let them try ours.
Works every time.
p.s. if that doesn't work we crack out the 320 lb. beer can cannon.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 1:38:27 AM EDT
This one time me my ant and my mom wer driveing back from my sisters and we pulled over to let my mom strech her legs and acros this river there was a range and this guy had a AK-47 and he did the bump and 3 range guys come over to him and you could here the entire conversaton:

Range guy 1:"What wer you doin"(in a sothern accent)

Range guy 2:"Sir no autos"

Range guy 3:"swich to another weapon sir"

A Guy that was next to him with an AR-15:"He just was doin this guys(bump)"

Range guy 2:"Sir no autos"

A guy that was about 3 feet down with AK MAK11 And 2 1911's:"You mean this man?(bumps the AK)

Range guy 3:"swich to another weapon sir"

A guy that was about 3 feet down with AK MAK11 And 2 1911's:Whips out the MAK And emptys a mag while the guy is yellin at them then he emptys the 1911's then the first guy leavs then the second then that 3rd guy changed mags on the AK Bumps it then leavs. BWWWAAAAAAHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 5:13:23 AM EDT
The law in CT is pretty freekin' confusing.

Could I still buy a preban in CT?

If you read the list of forbidden weapons it would seem all AK clones are banned but I have seen SAR-1 rifles for sale.

Has anyone ever seen a Bushmaster Auto Rifle?

Anybody who's not into sport utility rifles just isn't likely be well informed on this crap.

BTW What range are you talking about?
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 6:36:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2002 6:49:18 AM EDT by slt223]
Rangie, ALL prebans EXCEPT preban Colt's (ie. any gun with "AR15" stamped in the receiver) are legal in CT. Any AK is legal in CT EXCEPT any AK marked "AK47".

I am happy to answer your questions the best I can, but it would also be a good idea to call Detective Joe Kubish at the CT State Police Firearms Unit located in Middletown. I don't have the number, but you can 411 it.

The range I was talking about was Wooster Mountain in Danbury. It's usually a fun place to shoot with a lot of friendly people.

There is open pistol & rifle shooting this Sunday from 12:00PM-3:00PM. You can give them a call Sunday at 203 794 9821. They are located on Route 7 a couple miles before Danbury airport if you are going North from the Stamford area.

Edited to mention the best part; it only cost $10 to shoot for the whole day.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 7:01:14 AM EDT
fellers I had no idea how fortunate I am. Best friend owns a range about 4 miles from my house or I can go just about anywhere in the county and shoot. Rural Ga. has it's setbacks, but this is not one of them.

I imagine the people that wrote this law in Ct. thought they were gun smart when they typed "Colt AR15" and didn't even take the time to check if someone else made and ar15. Again their bad made your good because they were obviously trying to target SPECIFIC guns and were so tuned in to the forrest they missed the trees.

When will they understand that people go crazy not guns. Brother-in-law went to one of the most awful murder scenes where a person was repeatedly stabbed (crime of terrible rage) with a ...............................


screwdriver. Hey why not register screwdrivers
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 7:03:08 AM EDT
Damn, This makes me want to go out and buy 2 or 3 more ARs.

I notice that CT banned the Mini14 with folding stock. If someone accidently snapped the stock and reattached it with duct tape, would that make the gun illegal?
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 7:24:45 AM EDT
I wish it were closer. I'm way over in Casinoland.

Any good public ranges on this side of the state?

I think I'm going to have to join a club to shoot my AR around here.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 8:29:48 AM EDT
Millions of gun owners don't understand their rights is being taken away, becasue they don't shhot the same type of weapons most of us do on this site. Since it dose not effect them, they usually don't care. Unless we ban together to fight off the tide, we are will be the last generation in America to own guns legally.

Link Posted: 1/10/2002 10:48:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 10:56:26 AM EDT
Rangie and Stl223....the Colt Sporter is also banned..I had to register mine...but Olympic/Eagle/Bushy...etc prebans are not...

I called the State Police and asked

another thing to remember is the Sporter and AR15 from Colt are grandfathered...so if you owned one before 1993 you can still legally posess and shoot it...

Link Posted: 1/10/2002 1:10:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rangie:
I wish it were closer. I'm way over in Casinoland....



Dang! Some folks around here have front yards bigger then CT!
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 1:15:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By btdrygulch:
Rangie and Stl223....the Colt Sporter is also banned..I had to register mine...but Olympic/Eagle/Bushy...etc prebans are not...

I called the State Police and asked

another thing to remember is the Sporter and AR15 from Colt are grandfathered...so if you owned one before 1993 you can still legally posess and shoot it...




I realize the Sporter and Sproter II are banned as well. It was my understanding that they also have "AR15" stamped on them, but having lived in CT I haven't seen too many of them. As far as being grandfathered goes, you don't simply get to keep and shoot your pre ban Colt's. Like you said they had to be registered during an amnesty period back in 1993 following the ban. Those are pretty crappy conditions if you ask me.

Does anyone ever ask to see your registration card (or what ever they gave you when they violated your right to privacy)when you go shooting?

Also, where do you usually shoot?
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 1:24:43 PM EDT
I had a range owner scream at me for bringing in a pistol once, of a type that he himself had an accident with not long before. Showed me his colostomy bag at the front counter and everything.

My sin apparently was bringing the gun in the plastic box I bought it in, instead of a lead-lined, locked and sealed iron box, with mystic sigils and wards to keep the evil from getting out.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 2:01:11 PM EDT
I had gone to one of our local outdoor ranges in Tampa with my Marlin 60 .22LR. I loaded the tube with 18 rounds and started shooting at the target. The RO gets on the loudspeaker and tells me that I have to count to 2 between each shot, as rapid-fire was not allowed. Yet on the pistol side, you can hear those with semi-autos just emptying their clips as fast as they can.

OT... the range, which had been there for many years, had to close because developers put up houses in front of the range (dumb-asses!). Homeowners were complaining about bullets breaking windows or hitting the house and blaming the range. After the range was closed, it turned out that the bullets were coming from people just shooting in the woods between the range and the homes. But now that the range is closed,a new one has NOT been built.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 2:20:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DPeacher:

Originally Posted By Rangie:
I wish it were closer. I'm way over in Casinoland....



Dang! Some folks around here have front yards bigger then CT!



How's the traffic in those front yards?

I remember going to a farm in Kansas that took 20 minutes to get from the front gate to the barn.

I guess its all what your used to.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 3:48:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MC_Man:
I had gone to one of our local outdoor ranges in Tampa with my Marlin 60 .22LR. I loaded the tube with 18 rounds and started shooting at the target. The RO gets on the loudspeaker and tells me that I have to count to 2 between each shot, as rapid-fire was not allowed. Yet on the pistol side, you can hear those with semi-autos just emptying their clips as fast as they can.

OT... the range, which had been there for many years, had to close because developers put up houses in front of the range (dumb-asses!). Homeowners were complaining about bullets breaking windows or hitting the house and blaming the range. After the range was closed, it turned out that the bullets were coming from people just shooting in the woods between the range and the homes. But now that the range is closed,a new one has NOT been built.



The Tampa Police Range?

You gotta love developers. They will show houses and property when the range is closed, and never mention it. Then, when the homeowners complain, they encourage them to sue for closure. When the range closes, they can buy the downrange property in the old safety fan cheap, and build more houses to sell.

What a scam!
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 6:55:09 PM EDT
My Sporters didn't have AR15 on them ...

I had them until last year...and in all that time no one ever asked to see my certificates...


I shoot rifle at Blue Trails in Wallingford...
and pistol at Wolf's in Bristol
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 6:58:39 PM EDT
I feel lucky. Even though I live in CT, I live in a town that laughs at the homeowners near the range, and belong to a range (in another town) that encourages full auto. No more than 50 .50 BMG full auto burst rnds a day though.
Of course, I do get looks when shooting a silouette. Go figure.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 7:19:35 PM EDT
I just got back from perfectin the Bump on my mini-14. Man she screams. Tomarow I'm going to the range down the road...I wonder what those "ammo conservative" guys will have to say when I break the new 1000 round box in. hmm. In Montana there's plenty of room for us all but its hard to find the so called evil/extreme ar-liberalists, even at the range.
Link Posted: 1/10/2002 7:20:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By G23CT:
I feel lucky. Even though I live in CT, I live in a town that laughs at the homeowners near the range, and belong to a range (in another town) that encourages full auto. No more than 50 .50 BMG full auto burst rnds a day though.
Of course, I do get looks when shooting a silouette. Go figure.



PLEASE share which range you speak of...I must go there!
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:06:57 AM EDT
G23CT...are you taking about Metacon in Avon???

I've heard a lot of good things about that range...
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:58:51 AM EDT
Sad to say, but I don't even bother with the silly ranges anymore. Their rules are too strict and it is hard to have any real fun. If I want to shoot, I have several of friends with land close by, or I can drive 45minutes to my 105 acres... I can set up cans, little green Army men, targets, whatever and just blast away. If I want to do rapid fire, fine. If I want to practice "the bump", so be it.

I think that safety is great at a range because you never know who is shooting beside you, but as far as to accuse you of being illeal -- ____ him!
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:26:30 AM EDT
Nitwits like the aforementioned range nazi approve of the so-called "asault weapons" ban. They would ask: "Who needs a rifle like that?" They think that there is such a thing as "common sense" gun control. They are quislings and traitors. Remember their names.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:36:15 AM EDT
HERE HERE <sound of toasting bottles>
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 3:28:56 PM EDT
I cant stand Range Natzi's !!! There's a state range near my home that we're only allowed to load 3rounds in our mags. But I have about 25 mags for my ar15, so I load each one with 3 rounds an fire away. With the quick mag changes in my ar, it sounds to range officers like I'm shooting off 30 round mags. This one time one guy comes over and taps me on the shoulder and yells that I cant do that. I replied "give me a ticket and we'll decide this in court". I also noticed he had removed his earplugs. My 14" barrel is very load. So I simply resumed what I was doing before he came & turned around and shot a really quick 3 round burst. He was PISSED, but walked away like the idiot bully he is.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:36:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2002 5:37:10 PM EDT by LongIslandShooter]
The range I shoot at is pretty cool. Everyone more or less minds there own business. Everything from .30-.30's to Barret semi-auto .50's. most of the people that shoot there use "military" guns.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:33:23 PM EDT
Mayday, would that be Nockamixon?

Maybe all PGC ranges are that why?

Yeah it sucks, I watched a couple of guys get fined to high heaven one day for rippin' off more than 3 rnds at a time.
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