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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 12/20/2001 5:45:15 AM EDT
OK, for all the budget conscious gunners out there, let's make up a list of best "bang (literally) for the buck" guns today.

Here's two high on my list:

1. BATTLE RIFLE The DSA Stg58A "kit" gun. With a friendly FFL who will sell you the gun at his cost (him pocketing his transfer fee) you simply CANNOT beat this fine firearm at $800. Near new barrels (I fire lapped mine) excellent fit and finish, 2 MOA (and better) and $6 hi cap mags what's not to love???

2. RIMFIRE The CMP Mossberg M44 $95, including shipping. Rear peep sight, near new barrels, war time manufacture (read: collectible) and one hole accuracy at 25 yds, you simply MUST own of these.


Any others????
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:01:17 AM EDT
The $100. Makarovs that are floating around.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:06:32 AM EDT
I am probably going to get flamed for this, but my Hi-Point 9mm carbine is one fine piece for $160. The HGs are pretty decent too for the price of around $100. They all have lifetime warranties from the mfg. which is located right here in Ohio (Mansfield).
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:09:32 AM EDT
I'll add the Romainian 22 rimfire training rifle. $60 and can be had for less if you shop around.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:22:56 AM EDT
Mosin Nagants. Run of the mill copies are as low as $40, all matching uncommon models (like the 38 Carbine) are $125, sniper rifles are around $600. Antiques (pre-1899) are easy to find and only $200-250. You can get synthetic sporter stocks and scope mounts for $40 each.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:31:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2001 6:26:54 AM EDT by 5subslr5]
Originally Posted By garandman:
OK, for all the budget conscious gunners out there, let's make up a list of best "bang (literally) for the buck" guns today.



1. BATTLE RIFLE The DSA Stg58A "kit" gun. With a friendly FFL who will sell you the gun at his cost (him pocketing his transfer fee) you simply CANNOT beat this fine firearm at $800. Near new barrels (I fire lapped mine) excellent fit and finish, 2 MOA (and better) and $6 hi cap mags what's not to love??
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garandman, I would only add get the STG58A with the Type 2 DSA receiver - same cost as the Type 1.
DSA bought virtually all of the Austrian barrels remaining in the world. As I recall these barrels are cold-rolled and hammer forged.
(This barrel has a little to do with your 2 MOA.)
This would be my .308 pick-hands down.
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In .223 I would choose the ArmaLite AR-180, pre-ban.
You can find a "Sterling" made AR-180, about 90%, for $800 - $850.00
Most evil features per dollar : Flash-suppressor, bayonet lug, pistol grip, high cap mags and that great side-folding stock.
The AR-180 has a 1:12 twist barrel and will properly stabalize a 52 grn - 55 grn bullet. Definitely not a 62 grn.
With the correct ammo this mostly un-noticed little puppy will shoot lights-out. (Just ask the IRA !)

Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:52:02 AM EDT
5subslr5 -

I got the Type 1 receiver, as it had more meat to it. Under the theory that more is ALWAYS better.

Other than the lightening cuts, what's the difference in the Type 1 and Type 2 receiver????

Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:00:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:
5subslr5 -

I got the Type 1 receiver, as it had more meat to it. Under the theory that more is ALWAYS better.

Other than the lightening cuts, what's the difference in the Type 1 and Type 2 receiver????



I may have this bassackwards - but I was told years ago the Type 2 was the machine gun receiver.
I probably need to re-check my facts.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:22:54 AM EDT
According to the Fnfal board there is no difference between type 1,2, or 3. It's all in the look.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:36:57 AM EDT
I'd vote for the ASA AR-15 with the new side chargehandle. I just built one up on a postban Colt flatop reciever in M4 configuration. Total cost of weapon with a Trijicon II tri-angle rectile amber dot sight was right at $1300.00.

This was the cost breakdown before sales tax:

$745.00 for the complete upper (which included a modified bolt carrier) $310.00 for the reciever (gunshow purchace)$115.00 for the parts kit, and $95.00 for the complete buttstock assy. and handguards, and $30.00 for the sight mount and sling.

Alot of dough for an AR...but this is now an everyday weapon! Shot 5 MOA at 100yds. without even adjusting the Trijicon II!
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:49:40 AM EDT
How about AK's? Romaninan AK's(7.62 and 5.45) rifles go for $300-$350 at gun shows in Portland, OR. The ammo is cheap, $75-100 for 7.62x39 or $110 for 5.45x39. The magazines are cheap and readily avaiable. Since AK's have so few parts, they last forever.

Spambo
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 8:03:58 AM EDT
How bout the AR-15 LEGP series of firearms??!!

I love my 2001 LEGP M4gery by RRA. Value already went up.

The 1911s weren't bad as well as the Mossberg Shotgun.

I bet the 2002 LEGP will also be a winner.

Let's also not forget the CETME for 395.00 shipped.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 8:10:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bjames:
I'd vote for the ASA AR-15 with the new side chargehandle. I just built one up on a postban Colt flatop reciever in M4 configuration. Total cost of weapon with a Trijicon II tri-angle rectile amber dot sight was right at $1300.00.

This was the cost breakdown before sales tax:

$745.00 for the complete upper (which included a modified bolt carrier) $310.00 for the reciever (gunshow purchace)$115.00 for the parts kit, and $95.00 for the complete buttstock assy. and handguards, and $30.00 for the sight mount and sling.

Alot of dough for an AR...but this is now an everyday weapon! Shot 5 MOA at 100yds. without even adjusting the Trijicon II!



??????????????????????
How much for the gun + Trijicon?
5 MOA??!
This is supposed to be cost effective?
Are you just being sarcastic?
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 8:17:58 AM EDT
Olympic Arm's AR/PCR Kit --- $449
Stripped lower from your FFL dealer--- $125
Building a complete AR rifle for $574 and embarrassing your buddies at the range who paid $1,000+ and can't match your shot groups---Priceless.

Of course, I could be biased....
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 8:18:35 AM EDT
garandman, why are you doing mentioning an $800 rifle as "budget conscious?" ;)

Turk Mausers. I paid less than $40 for mine. In my opinion, it's a nicer rifle than the Mosin Nagants. The last ammo I bought was $4 per 70 rounds. That's less than 6 cents per round.

Single-stack AK's. I've seen both a WASR and a MISR (Egyptian made) for less than $175. A friend bought the MISR, and it is 100% reliable. When you save-up enough money, you can always convert them to a double-stack with a file and a few US parts.

SKS. I'm still seeing SKS's around for $150 or less. While I think the AK mentioned above for $175 is a better deal, an SKS is still a good choise for something cheap to buy and cheap to feed. Also, stripper clips are much cheaper and lighter than magazines.z
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 9:13:09 AM EDT
For those living in Califirnia:
1. Mini-14 $398.00
2. CMP M1 $425.00
3. Glock 17 $379.00
4. Benelli Nova Ghost Ring $324.00
5. "standard" M1A $999.00
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 10:00:58 AM EDT
I concur with the CMP Mossberg M44. Those things are tack drivers. Be advised that the trigger guards may need to be replaced but a buddy of mine who posts on Jouster.com makes them and sells them for a reasonable price. You'll need a front sight but they are readily available. It comes with a rear sight, either a Mossberg or a Palma.

I'm sitting on my paperwork and I'll probably mail it in after the end of the month. Once you go on CMP's list you can buy other stuff too, like M1 Garands and bulk ammo. It's the best deal going IMHO.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 11:26:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 1:36:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2001 1:29:28 PM EDT by SRM]
Systema Colts(1911) - Prewar Colt quality for $300.

Used SW66/686 .357 for 150-200

SRM
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 2:10:41 PM EDT
CZ75b's at $340

HS2000's at $289

Romanian SAR's at $340
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 2:45:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By bjames:
I'd vote for the ASA AR-15 with the new side chargehandle. I just built one up on a postban Colt flatop reciever in M4 configuration. Total cost of weapon with a Trijicon II tri-angle rectile amber dot sight was right at $1300.00.

This was the cost breakdown before sales tax:

$745.00 for the complete upper (which included a modified bolt carrier) $310.00 for the reciever (gunshow purchace)$115.00 for the parts kit, and $95.00 for the complete buttstock assy. and handguards, and $30.00 for the sight mount and sling.

Alot of dough for an AR...but this is now an everyday weapon! Shot 5 MOA at 100yds. without even adjusting the Trijicon II!



??????????????????????
How much for the gun + Trijicon?
5 MOA??!
This is supposed to be cost effective?
Are you just being sarcastic?



that has to be a joke.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 2:51:35 PM EDT
I had the Trijicon...the 5moa part was a joke!
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 2:55:32 PM EDT
VEPR II series for $500-600.
Remington 870 series, Fabarm FP6 series. IMO.

-Justin
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 3:48:49 PM EDT
M16 - they'll never be as cheap as they are now.

Ecomony is starting to get better and they'll soon start going up, again.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 3:53:29 PM EDT
Old SGW,PWA and Oly Lowers.
cpermd
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 3:54:58 PM EDT
Thats easy, YUGO Mauser M44 (K98K Clone), NIW $179
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 4:11:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drfcolt:
M16 - they'll never be as cheap as they are now.

Ecomony is starting to get better and they'll soon start going up, again.



Yep...can´t beat Colt M16A2s for about $1300
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 5:00:39 PM EDT
all the guns my father left me when he past away oct. 1st. 2001 he was my best friend!
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:48:50 PM EDT
IMHO these are the best buys

1. Mosin M44 ($65)
2. Ruger 10/22 ($120)
3. Yugo Mauser ($160)
4. Winchester Model 94 30/30 ($240)
5. SKS ($175)
6. AK47/Mak90 ($300)
7. Savage 10FP ($20)
8. Ruger "P" series pistols ($300)
9. Makarovs ($150)
10. Springfield 1911 Stainless ($650) he he

Milage may vary

sgtar15
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:54:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By catman:
all the guns my father left me when he past away oct. 1st. 2001 he was my best friend!



I am glad you have something to remember your father by. When I was 12 my father first taught me how to shoot with a Swiss Shmidt Rubin rifle in .308 caliber. After all the training I still held the damn thing about 1/2" from my shoulder and it knocked me on my ass!! About a month ago I aquired that rifle from my father and it will always be my favorite and in my family. That is what memories are made of.

Sgtar15
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 9:53:49 PM EDT
FALS suck. They are 3rd world POSs that need a lot of work to be useable. Go AR-15, Glock, Tauras and S&w if you can stomach their politics.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 11:51:01 PM EDT

7. Savage 10FP ($20)

That's gotta be a typo. $400 more or less.
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 12:17:15 AM EDT
MY 9mm Hipoint carbine out shoots my custom ar.
Just kidding gj.

www.moaammo.com
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 2:15:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Nachoman:
FALS suck. They are 3rd world POSs that need a lot of work to be useable. Go AR-15, Glock, Tauras and S&w if you can stomach their politics.



Do you actually own a FAL, or are you making a totally ignorant assumption?
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 4:38:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Redmanfms:

Originally Posted By Nachoman:
FALS suck. They are 3rd world POSs that need a lot of work to be useable. Go AR-15, Glock, Tauras and S&w if you can stomach their politics.



Do you actually own a FAL, or are you making a totally ignorant assumption?



Hey Nachoman -

Wanna be down range of me with my FAL???? See my STG 58A Range Report. 2 moa at 200 yds.

Link Posted: 12/21/2001 5:48:26 AM EDT
My take on it is gun prices have been about as reasonable as I ever seen them in the last twenty years. Made several of what I consider good buys at shows and from friends.

Examples

Oly AR assembled from kit, $600. Shoots better than I do.
Century M-1 Garand. Yeah its a Century, but mine works just as well as the CMP guns and I only have $300 in it.
Mint Inland M-1 Carbine, no import stamps, Korean War rebuild via Mount Rainer Ordnance Depot, $400.
Auto Ordnance 1911, parkerized, $310
Ruger P 90 with adjustable sights $300.

There's buys out there. Just got to fish around a bit.
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 5:55:13 AM EDT
In my opinion;

Makarov pistol-109.00 right now for NIB.

Ruger 10/22-out shoots almost everthing out there right out of the box.

Enfield #1MkIII 2A in .308-one heck of a bargain, and surprisingly accurate.

CZ-52 in 7.62X25-for only 125.00, you get a big bang for your buck!
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 7:28:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 8:23:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:IMHO these are the best buys

1. Mosin M44 ($65)
2. Ruger 10/22 ($120)
3. Yugo Mauser ($160)
4. Winchester Model 94 30/30 ($240)
5. SKS ($175)
6. AK47/Mak90 ($300)
7. Savage 10FP ($20)
8. Ruger "P" series pistols ($300)
9. Makarovs ($150)
10. Springfield 1911 Stainless ($650) he he

Milage may vary

sgtar15




Hey buddy, tell me where you can get a Savage 10FP for $20 and I'll be the first in line!
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 8:40:13 AM EDT


Easy, I have to go with all the Mosins and Mausers, by far the best bang for the buck when you look at rifle/ammo costs. You're just not going to find a better value out there right now.
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 11:10:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:
5subslr5 -

I got the Type 1 receiver, as it had more meat to it. Under the theory that more is ALWAYS better.

Other than the lightening cuts, what's the difference in the Type 1 and Type 2 receiver????




G. Man,
finally reached the guy about Type 1 and Type 2 receivers.
The Type 2 receivers are the newer and may be used with a squad-automatic-weapon (SAW) and a heavy barrel.
As a practical matter he says Type 1 or Type 2 -does not matter. Then he says they're out of Type 2's for two months !
Go figure.
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 1:30:56 PM EDT
EAA Witness .40 $289 Well over 1,000 rounds through it and yet to have any problems.
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 5:42:29 PM EDT
Build your own FAL Imbel or G1 for under $400 Great reliable gun and acurate or just buy a Savage 10 fp for $400 You cant go wrong with either one, both will reach out further than an AR or AK and more acurate
Link Posted: 12/21/2001 8:19:33 PM EDT
Lee Enfield Rifle. They are very cheap and very good.

Ruger Revolvers: These Revolvers will out last you and your grand kids.

M1 Garand and FAL: Both are very good deals. Especially the CMP Garand.

For Lever Action Rifles: Marlin.
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