I post this not to start a discussion but to only give facts. Last Friday I took my 11 year old daughter and my 7 year old nephew to a game ranch to harvest surplus deer and exotics. They were both on their first hunt and shooting 223 Ultramax ammo loaded with 55 grain nosler balistic tips. A varmint bullet that works superbly on deer size game in side of 200 yards. They took 2 management whitetail bucks, 3 whitetail does, one axis doe, one blackbuck doe and one fallow doe. All were one shot kills except for one of the bucks my nephew hit to far back in the paunch. The second shot broke his neck and lights out. The rest of the deer were chest shots and none ran over 30 yards. Several fell in their tracks. The reason we used the 223 was because this was the kids first hunt and they could not handle recoil. I can assure you I have no problem hunting with my Bushy with the proper load. This is not speculation, this is not expert shooters hitting deer in the head. This was two kids with no experience on their first hunt.