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Posted: 11/1/2001 6:32:18 AM EST
OK The words Cheap and Sniper don't really click but what I need is a decent priced rifle that I can shoot coyotes at 400-600- yards with. My AR just doesn't have the punch I need. Any Suggestions?
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 6:35:55 AM EST
Savage 10FP or 110FP (.308 or .300win) should be under $400.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 6:48:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By ARben:
Savage 10FP or 110FP (.308 or .300win) should be under $400.



Yup...
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 7:03:30 AM EST
yes the savage
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 7:58:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2001 8:02:06 AM EST by Gargoyle]
I will be engaging yotes with my AR and my Rem.700VS in .22-250 on the east of you.

I plan on using the AR on shots under 300 yards and the .22-250 for shots under 500 yds.

I haven't hit a yote at over 150 yds with anything YET. Can you give me some information on the type of punch that the AR and .22 caliber size rifles are giving coyotes at 300-500 yard marks? In other words, are the yotes getting hit, but not falling well?


I too would like to go .308 for yotes. I don't save pelts so I could care less about the damage. More is better! At one time I was looking into the .308 line: WIn, Rem, Browning, but due to lack of funds this year it isn't going to happen.

I hope you find something cheap, but not "Cheap".
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 8:20:30 AM EST
A friend of mine just returned from Gunsite's precidsion rifle class. One of his classmates was shooting a Savage "tactical" in a Choate/plaster stock. The guy with the Savage did every bit as well as the guys with the Custom 700's and Robars.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 8:30:27 AM EST



Gargoyle


I also don't save pelts. I just shoot them because they are taking after livestock and because of overpopulation.

The few shots I have made with the 223 past 300 yards have left me with hurt yotes that I have had to track for hours or they suffered for days. Even with good placement I am not getting enough punch. They usually run for a while then bleed to death. Not my version of a clean kill. Wind and rain seem to drastically effect the 223 also. At these ranges I don't get the instant knock down as I do out to 150 yards.

What part of ILL are you hunting in?
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 8:35:45 AM EST
What about the H&R or NEF .308? $150ish. The NEF comes in a "survial" model with a heavy barrel and storage for 4 or 5 rounds in the stock IIRC.

Libertas an Mortis!
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 8:36:38 AM EST
I would go with the savage. I will be hunting them this year in Iowa, poweshiek, and benton county were are you hunting them at??
john
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 8:47:03 AM EST
How much are you looking to spend? I have a Ruger M77VLE 26" barrel in .308, I would be willing to let go for $550 shipped to your FFL. Comes with bipod and ruger scope rings.
This gun is like new, only had 25 rds put thru it.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 10:55:28 AM EST
Savage 110 tactical, will often out shoot the big boys.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 12:47:13 PM EST
Ok guys, I think your on the right track but he did ask about CHEAP so here is my input...

Buy a $69 8mm Mauser, the ones from Yugoslavia will do fine. Get a 4x32, 4x40 or similar scope and a Weaver mount.

Total cost will be about $125-150 depending on the scope and you will have an excellent shooter good for hunting ANYTHING. With good ammo or reloads you should be able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at a 100 yards which is just a little larger group than the Savage Tactical is capable of straight from the box.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 12:59:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By hondajohn:
I would go with the savage. I will be hunting them this year in Iowa, poweshiek, and benton county were are you hunting them at??
john



I'm in Linn County.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 1:00:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By mtnpatriot:
What about the H&R or NEF .308? $150ish. The NEF comes in a "survial" model with a heavy barrel and storage for 4 or 5 rounds in the stock IIRC.

Libertas an Mortis!



That's the ticket where do I find one?
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 1:56:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
A friend of mine just returned from Gunsite's precidsion rifle class. One of his classmates was shooting a Savage "tactical" in a Choate/plaster stock. The guy with the Savage did every bit as well as the guys with the Custom 700's and Robars.

I have the same setup with the Choate Ulimate Sniper stock designed by Col. Plaster on a 12FV in .223 and a 110FP in .30-06. Works great.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 2:25:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By zipster223:

Gargoyle

I also don't save pelts. I just shoot them because they are taking after livestock and because of overpopulation.

The few shots I have made with the 223 past 300 yards have left me with hurt yotes that I have had to track for hours or they suffered for days. Even with good placement I am not getting enough punch. They usually run for a while then bleed to death. Not my version of a clean kill. Wind and rain seem to drastically effect the 223 also. At these ranges I don't get the instant knock down as I do out to 150 yards.

What part of ILL are you hunting in?



I believe your accounts of the hurt yotes. I guess you wouldn't be asking about a .308 for nothing. I hit a sleeping yote last winter at 110yds. Hit him right in the vitals. The yote rolled, popped up and ran about 20yds, fell over dead. So I can see how an alert yote at 300yds could trot for some time. I fired FMJ last year, so maybe the Vmax this year will help things.

I hunt central Illinois.

BTW, rain doesn't have an effect on a fired bullet, or at least not since I have last been instructed. Wind will push the bullet left or right, but will not slow it down, no change in velocity.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 2:30:04 PM EST
Anyone for an old Enfield? I love mine.
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 2:34:32 PM EST
While rain dosen't make a difference on the bullet how the the difference shooting a wet vs dry pelt? Any experience?
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 3:10:04 PM EST
I'll throw in a recommendation for the Savage also. A fine rifle that just plain shoots.

NEF is also bunches of rifle for the money.

Either rifle maker will treat you well.

Link Posted: 11/1/2001 3:31:24 PM EST
How about a Rem700 Varminter with the composite barrel + a match trigger + a harris bipod + Zeiss optics + an adjustable composite stock +......wait....how much were you willing to spend?
Link Posted: 11/1/2001 4:41:06 PM EST
The old Swedish M96 Mauser can be had for $150 to $200 have it drilled and tapped and you got a shooter. Other than that I'd have to go with the Savage. The M112 I have is very accurate for a "cheap" gun. Might find a good deal on a Winchester or Remington if you have time to look. I found a Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint in .308 a year or so ago for $425 NIB.
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 4:40:58 AM EST

Before you buy a new weapon (but then I am always looking for an excuse) You might want to look at your bullet selection. I groundhog hunt with and an AR and a Remington 700 VS in .223. In the 700 I use 50 blitz kings and they make a nice mess out of hogs, so they should do a good kill on a yote. In the ar (1/9 twist) I use 52 gr hollow points. they also do a great job out to 500 yards. But I have found at range Nozzlers and soft points (esp 55 grs) don't make as much mess.

the savage is a great and cheap weapon.

Good hunting
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 7:23:14 AM EST
The simple solution is head shots
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 9:59:02 AM EST
I use a Rem. 700VLS in .243 with nosler ballistic tips. Outstanding for yotes. While I love this gun, I dont think it falls under "cheap". Savage is a damn good shooter for the money, and since they made a short action, I am considering one. The Mauser idea is definatly cheap, but my 8mm has a hell of a lot of drop at distance. Dont know about the 6.5mm. Might be a good choice for ultimate cheap.
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 11:02:54 AM EST
Zipster...go with the Savage tactical. I get sub-MOA performance with 168 Hornady BTHP match handloaded with AA 2520. I paid $300 for it plus $100 for a CHoate/Plaster stock. It actually shoots better (shrinks group to .5" vs. .75" to 1" with factory stock) with the Choate stock even though it is UgLy.
Renny
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 11:48:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By zipster223:

Originally Posted By mtnpatriot:
What about the H&R or NEF .308? $150ish. The NEF comes in a "survival" model with a heavy barrel and storage for 4 or 5 rounds in the stock IIRC.

Libertas an Mortis!



That's the ticket where do I find one?




Pick up a Shotgun News. There is a company selling guns from/for a company that went out of business, at least that is what they print. Anyway they still have a couple pages of ads in SGN and might still have some of the NEF's. Good Luck!

Libertas an Mortis!
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 12:00:48 PM EST
What about that new Remington.... the 710.... the msrp is 425... and that includes a scope
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 12:28:48 PM EST
I have the Savage .308 FP 10 and the sweedish Mauser 96 scoped and they both would be fine but getting the bolt bent and a mount tapped and the price of reloading the Swede, the price advantage goes out the window. Just got a Fin M-39 and surplus 7.62x 54 and the gun shoots sub-MOA with open sights rested on sandbag. But to mount a B-square with rings and a cheap long Eye relief scope might run up another $250 or more. Savage all the way!
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 1:09:54 PM EST
Just a quick question:

What is the barrel length on the Savage tactical?
Link Posted: 11/2/2001 2:14:56 PM EST
Barrel length on the savage is 24"

zipster I live in Ely we should go shooting some time
john
Link Posted: 11/4/2001 4:41:14 AM EST
If you want range and punch get a 7mm rem. mag. in Ruger model 77RS. You can not beat it. I've got one with a Leupold 4x12 50mm they shoot long and flat and when they hit they deliver a lot of knock down power. 400 - 600 yards they'll send a coyote rolling.
Link Posted: 11/4/2001 5:05:20 AM EST
I would vote for an Enfield NO.4 MK 2. More accurate (so it is said) than the MK 1, easier to mount a scope - detachable mag - no loading indivual rds through the top of the action under the scope. Also reciever mounted peep sights if optics aren't your thing.

The Finn M-39 is a good option too. Very accurate, but you do have to deal w/bending the bolt if you want a reciever mounted scope.

I like the milsurps, alot. You can get a great rifle for under $200, but you can also get a real junker too. I guess you just pays your monies and takes yo chances...
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