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Posted: 10/24/2001 6:43:22 PM EDT
This will be used only for FUN at the range. No hunting, competition stuff. I have always wanted a "sniper" rifle setup to do long range stuff. Any ideas? I would like a Remington 700, but that with a scope is a little too pricey. How would the Remington 710 in 30-06 be for the above described use?
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 6:51:37 PM EDT
Try a Howa. Great guns at great prices. My dad has one in .223 Rem and he loves it. I can knock the x out of targets with it all day long. Of course, the range I shoot at only lets me get back 75 yards. lol.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 6:52:51 PM EDT
Have you considered a Savage or a Howa?

I doubt that you'd be happy with a Remington 710.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 6:53:51 PM EDT
Savage 10FP in 308 would be my reccomendation.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 6:57:58 PM EDT
Savage 10FP with 20" barrel like mine

It's not quite as smooth as my dad's
Remington 700 LTR but shoots just as well!

www.savagearms.com

the 12VSS is nice too, more of a range gun
26" barrel & choate stock
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 6:59:34 PM EDT
Savage heavy barrel 110/10 series, such as the 10FP or 12FV for .308. They are both heavy barrel with the 10FP being a police model. It has a 24" barrel as opposed to the 28" barrel on the 12FV, so it is slightly lighter and a little more compact, so a little more of a tactical rifle. They make left and right hand models. Very accurate out of the box. Go to www.savagearms.com, click on Products, then Centerfire (both of these are near top of page), then click on Long Range Series.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 7:05:07 PM EDT
Howa or Savage
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 7:33:32 PM EDT
What is the Howa website?

Av.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 7:40:49 PM EDT
Savage, Maybe a Ruger M77VT
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 7:50:25 PM EDT
Savage or Tikka. Both rifles are cheap, ugly and VERY ACCURATE.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:58:43 PM EDT
I got a Howa Varmint in .308, and I could not be happier. A real tack driver. Wal-Mart sells them as the Weatherby Vanguards.
For many years they made rifles and barrels for Weatherby.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:38:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Savage or Tikka. Both rifles are cheap, ugly and VERY ACCURATE.



Easy Boston!,

In all honesty I think the tikka 595/695's look a bit like Browning A-Bolts from just a glance, which means it is mighty fine looking if you ask me.

SC,
I see a pattern here, Savage and Howa. Either one will give you good service, plus they will easily outlive (and probably outperform) a Rem 710 (gag!). Besides later on you can't really do much to modify a 710 after you get a few more bucks in your wallet.
rDAm
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:40:51 PM EDT
hey there is a guy selling 3 savage 110 fp tactical 308 on gunbroker.com for $369.00 my buddys will shot an 1.25 " hole at 300 yards with a simmons ateck scope and a $25.00 trigger job.

john
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:43:53 PM EDT
For the money and accuracy you can't beat the Savage Tactical.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:45:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2001 10:39:49 PM EDT by paterpk]
The Savage has shown to be very accurate for the price. NOt near as fancy as the 700 but mand does it shoot. My first choic would be the model 7 rem...pat
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 11:19:04 PM EDT
Another vote for Howa. The website might be under "Legacy Sports International" (new importers).
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 11:29:59 PM EDT
Another vote for Savage 10FP Tactical here. Mine easily shoots sub MOA with match ammo. The factory stock is crappy but it'll do for a range plinker. The factory trigger weight is set too high for my tastes but it's easily adjustable.

Another option is one of the Savage package guns. Comes with a cheap 3x9 scope, mounts and sling, but for less than $400 it's not too shabby.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 3:59:41 AM EDT
i've not seen one but based on an article i saw i've ordered a Charter 2000 Field King--it's a stainless bolt gun with composite stock with 18" barrel which has a pretty cool looking compensator on it...Fully adjustable trigger and comes with scope rings...My FFl said $339.00 i don't know if that is his cost or mine but what to hell...sounds like another something i need..Saw it in November issue of Gun World--Article says recoil of 308 is like full house 222....Looks like average group at 100 was about 1.3/4 in for average of about 10 types of ammo....Dick
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:20:19 AM EDT
I have owned the Savage and would buy one again. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:29:55 AM EDT
My Savage, Model 10 FLP (Left hand) will shoot Sub-moa, casually. One group of 5 at 100 yards had the 1rst 3 in about a .10" group. By the time I got to the 5th shot the group had opened up to .6". I was shooting them as fast as I could, checking for stringing. The load was not even worked up, it was just one load of several I tried, my 2nd time out with the rifle. 1rst time was with factory stuff, for some brass, dies had not yet arrived.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:51:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 4:46:31 AM EDT by Makarov]
I know I'm bucking the trend in the posts but since your stated use is "FUN" how about a Ishapore 2A Enfield. These are well built rifles based on the British SMLE #1Mk.III but originally chambered for 7.62x51. Most of the available rifles are well used if not worn out (I know from personal experience that the Indian army did not particularly stress the clean rifle = dependable rifle philosophy)however, if you can "handpick" from a selection at a gun show you can find some gems. I have one that looks like crap on the outside and the bore isn't all that great either but the crown is undamaged with crisp rifling in the last 2" or so. With the iron sights I shoot about 6MOA which keeps 'em in the black @ 100yrds. This is with surplus South African ammo. I probably could do better if I took it to the range more often and loaded better ammo.

BTW I paid less than $100 for each of mine two years ago.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:47:14 AM EDT
I have a Savage 110FLP in 308 (Natch!) that Walt Culley put together for me with one of his TechniCarbon Dynamic stocks, bipod, mount and rings and trigger job for less than a base Remmy 700.

Definitely a shooter and a keeper.

Kurt Wala (KurtsKustom)does his metalwork now, so you can check in the Industry Forum here and ask for Walt's info. (I've moved 3 times in the past year, so I can't find it)

I highly recommend changing stocks, as the one from Savage is a POS, and if you order the rifle from Walt, you're not duplicating costs, as he gets the barreled actions directly from Savage.

You can see a few of the rifles at www.kurtskustomfirearms.cityslide.com
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 7:33:10 AM EDT
Savage, Howa, Tikka, Ruger are all good guns for the price. FYI vendor says aprox $40 increase on Ruger coming soon

We got a 710 in the shop and sent it back, I can't believe Remington even put their name on a 710.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 10:35:02 AM EDT
check out this link for aftermarket Savage stuff
this is THE trigger to drop in the Savage
the stock is a HS Precisison knockoff
www.varminthunters.com/sshooter.html


Savage uses the SharpShooter trigger in the
12VSS from the factory.

www.snipercountry.com/Savage_SSSCTrigger.htm

Some guys at Sniper Country where working on getting a HS Precision stock deal for the Savage rifles but I dunno what came of it?
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 10:41:25 AM EDT
couple rifles fun to shoot...in .308

less than $300 1st rifle on page
www.gibbsrifle.com/sport.html

less than $200 second rifle on page
www.gibbsrifle.com/history.html
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 11:54:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cnatra:
Some guys at Sniper Country where working on getting a HS Precision stock deal for the Savage rifles but I dunno what came of it?


There's more info on that here....
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=31989
See my follow-up post on 8/13/2001.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 1:40:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 2:38:54 PM EDT
You could try to find a remington 788 in .308. I've found mine to be very accurate. I only paid 250.00
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:33:47 PM EDT
FR-8

Actually, any 7.62x51 ex-military boltgun. Fun to shoot, unlikely to shed parts if you drop 'em, and steeped in history. You can even collect all their accessories and still have a few dollars left over when compared to some of the alternatives.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 12:32:34 AM EDT
Nice looking rifles you got there, LARRYG. Except for the scopes, they look almost identical. Even the camo patterns on the stocks are close.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 3:02:30 AM EDT
If your talking cheap you want the Savage 10fp, it shoots very well, and you can adjust the trigger yourself, or have some knowledgeable adjust it for you.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 8:49:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:

Originally Posted By cnatra:
Some guys at Sniper Country where working on getting a HS Precision stock deal for the Savage rifles but I dunno what came of it?


There's more info on that here....
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=31989
See my follow-up post on 8/13/2001.



I got this e-mail back from Scott Powers, this was through the Sniper Country site,


HS decided to make a Ruger stock first because Ruger provided them with technical drawings of their action. Savage has not done so yet and the cost of reverse engineering one for the CNC process is not small. Evne with the specs it cost about $5000 to $10000 to tool up. So for now, its on hold. I am hoping that come 2001 HS will concentrate on this. I have shown them that the demand exists and they certain want to do it. Its jsut a matter of time at this point.

Scott
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 9:25:46 AM EDT
Damn. That sucks. Thanks for the update, cnatra.

I wonder why Savage is dragging their feet on this thing? It's not like HS Precision is the first company to make replacement stocks. There are others, just not very many.

There's probably MORE demand for Savage stocks than Ruger stocks... but alas, Ruger got their drawings in first.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 9:37:12 AM EDT
Savage 110 Tactical is a great gun, I shot my friend's. Also think about a .308 Enfield or Israeli Mauser
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 9:55:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:
Damn. That sucks. Thanks for the update, cnatra.

I wonder why Savage is dragging their feet on this thing? It's not like HS Precision is the first company to make replacement stocks. There are others, just not very many.

There's probably MORE demand for Savage stocks than Ruger stocks... but alas, Ruger got their drawings in first.



I wonder if it's the politics ($$$) that Savage is shipping the 12VSS with the Choate??

Maybe Choate doesn't want any competition?

NOT the same type of stocks!

AND I would think ANY aftermarket support for a rifle only helps make it more popular.

Heck , the Remington 700 is like a Chevy 350.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 10:05:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Savage or Tikka. Both rifles are cheap, ugly and VERY ACCURATE.



I am sure you didn't mean to flame but my Tikka is neither cheap nor ugly. It is extremely accurate and one of the smoothest actions out there. I am sub .75 MOA (depending on my flinch) and my rifle gets more questions asked about it than most at the range.

I bought the 7MM Mag AllWeather SS Synthetic Stock. I have a Leu VariX-III 4.5-14x40, harris bipod and I knock the crap out of golf balls, dimes and small action figures at the local 100yrd range.

It is inexpensive compared to many rifles. Not cheap. http://www.sako.fi/

It thumps...plain and simple. I think the quality, smooth action, barrel and value is much better than any remington out there. Not trying to fight...but my brother has a 700Varmit and my Tikka is a much better rifle and cost less.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 10:29:10 AM EDT
Howa. Howa. Howa. Put the SA 4 x 14 on top of it.

Remington 788 would be great as well if you can find one.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 9:19:02 PM EDT
Allow me to introduce Sig to the debate. I got a sweet Sig SHR 970 in .308 for just $440. Sig is a great name, excellent swiss engineering, free-floated barrel, detachable magazine, absolutely silent safety switch, mountain rifle light, and you can swap barrels for different calibers. For about $180 you can buy another barrel in 25-'06, .270, .280, .308, or 30-'06.

Switch to the magnums, and you can get 7mm, .300 WSM, or .300win. (different mag and bolt)

But only consider this well built and crafted rifle if you like solid hits in the same hole at 100 yards.

Second choice: Savage 111 FC or 10FC Tactical

Third choice: ANYTHING BUT REMINGTON 700's (just think they are over-rated and over priced, IMHO)

Roy D.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 11:27:48 PM EDT
cnatra, I think you hit the nail on the head. Choate has an agreement with Savage and they don't want the competition. Honestly, I've never shot one with a Choate stock so I don't know how they stack up.

LARRYG
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 6:19:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2001 6:19:37 AM EDT by AmOTramp]
Sexual Choclate, did you get your name from Dennis Rodmans boat? At first I was wondering if you were Dennis, but your post asks for a semi-cheap 308. I doubt price would be a issue for him. Anyway, his boats name is the same or very close to yours. I recently heard on the radio that he got a speeding ticket on his boat, and they mentioned the name Sexual Choclate. Just had to ask. Thanks


edited: took out ~just~ got a ticket, redundant to recently. Yes?
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 6:31:19 AM EDT
Go to the Blue Light Special. They sell Savage with 3X9 Bushnell for $349. You can get it composit or wood.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 8:58:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2001 8:53:05 AM EDT by RoyDamnMercer]

Originally Posted By Blazinglead:
Go to the Blue Light Special. They sell Savage with 3X9 Bushnell for $349. You can get it composit or wood.



Kmart?!? AAAARRRGGGGG!!!!
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 11:54:23 AM EDT
I'll vote for a Savage 12BVSS or 12VSS. I bought an FP and had to replace the flimsy plastic stock with a laminate. Shoots 1/2 inch groups at 100 yds with 168 HPBT bullets.

My Rem 700s wouldn't shoot worth a d@mn (3 inch groups at 100yds). Had to replace the barrels with Shilens but cost to rebarrel was almost as high as the rifle original price.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 12:30:46 PM EDT
FWIW, Savage barrels are button cut, and noted for their out of the box accuracy. Remington barrels are broach cut.

For comparison purposes, Olympic Arms top of the line SUM barrels are button cut, while their standard match barrels are broach cut.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 4:20:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Makarov:
I know I'm bucking the trend in the posts but since your stated use is "FUN" how about a Ishapore 2A Enfield. These are well built rifles based on the British SMLE #1Mk.III but originally chambered for 7.62x51. Most of the available rifles are well used if not worn out (I know from personal experience that the Indian army did not particularly stress the clean rifle = dependable rifle philosophy)however, if you can "handpick" from a selection at a gun show you can find some gems. I have one that looks like crap on the outside and the bore isn't all that great either but the crown is undamaged with crisp rifling in the last 2" or so. With the iron sights I shoot about 6MOA which keeps 'em in the black @ 100yrds. This is with surplus South African ammo. I probably could do better if I took it to the range more often and loaded better ammo.

BTW I paid less than $100 for each of mine two years ago.



I have one of these rifles, its a fun rifle. Pretty accurate with iron sights, but I have yet to buy the scope mount.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 10:30:20 PM EDT
If you find a Remington 788 at a show with a good barrel, don't pass it up. You won't be sorry. Savage would'nt be a bad choice either.
coyote3
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 12:22:56 PM EDT
Ishapore Enfield .308! Mine only cost $100. Great shooter. I shoot mine at 300 yards.
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