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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:09:19 PM EDT
[#1]
Scar cause scar
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:14:59 PM EDT
[#2]
The Sig MCX best them all IMO.
I know Sig just had a recall but I did not and don't plan to send mine in to fix a problem that doesn't exist. The Scar 16 should be $1000 less than it is but people buy them at that price so FN is smart to keep it that way. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:15:02 PM EDT
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SCAR. You get what you pay for with FN.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:19:21 PM EDT
[#4]
If you disqualified the Bren 805 because the handguard heated up to quick than the SCAR is not for you.
Beretta ARX-100 all day every day... Best of the Gen 3s but still no caliber conversions. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:25:43 PM EDT
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My Scar 16S has been flawless. I did put in the geiselle trigger..that is a must
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:27:41 PM EDT
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My xcr is my favorite rifle. I sbr's it. The manual of arms is second to none really. It's not super heavy. The stock is solid as hell. Very soft shooting. Adjustable gas system. I've had mine for 3 years and customer service has been fantastic buying spare parts and I misplaced a part and had a replacement in the mail the next day. I wouldn't hesitate to get another xcr. IMHO one of the most underrated rifles out there.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:31:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:35:06 PM EDT
[#8]
I love my XCR.
I had an ACR for a little while, I like the XCR better. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 6:49:40 PM EDT
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If you disqualified the Bren 805 because the handguard heated up to quick than the SCAR is not for you. Beretta ARX-100 all day every day... Best of the Gen 3s but still no caliber conversions. Similar handguard issues with the SCAR? Why has no one ever mentioned this? |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 7:34:31 PM EDT
[#10]
5.56: XCR
.308: SCAR |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 8:22:10 PM EDT
[#11]
I now own 8 XCR rifles. L and M. Ask me anything
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Posted: 2/17/2017 9:11:17 PM EDT
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Of those options, the SCAR. It's a great rifle. Multiple aftermarket accessories, though not as prolific as AR accessories. Made by FN, so you know design, manufacturing and QC/QA are done properly. And then there is the Battlefield Vegas reports re: SCAR durability.
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Posted: 2/18/2017 1:37:22 AM EDT
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Similar handguard issues with the SCAR? Why has no one ever mentioned this? They have, I've seen it mentioned quite a few times over the years. The Bren 805 and SCAR are pretty similar, so it makes sense that they would have the same issues with heat build up. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:53:46 AM EDT
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OP they are all excellent rifles but I have to say XCR.
(a) There are more options available for it than all the others....combined. (b) The XCR charging handle is in a lower, more natural and better position. (c) The XCR has the best trigger of the bunch bar none. Geisselles are the only thing equal to it IMHO/E Some examples of the engineering in the XCR. (1) The cam slot in the carrier has a long-ish straight section at the front of it. This gives the carrier time to build inertia before beginning to un lock the bolt. It also gives extra time for residual chamber pressure to drop to zero or near zero. (2) There is a caming ramp in the barrel extension for the bolt. It gives a 23:1 mechanical advantage in slow powerful initial extraction. This concept was first used in the Mauser model 1898. (3) It has a sliding T-slot extractor. It is not dependent on spring pressure to grip the case and can not slip off the rim like a pivoting extractor can. (4) The magazine sits very high up in the receiver with the feed lips passing through deep cuts in the BCG, putting the rounds close to the center line of the bore for nearly straight line feeding. The few fasteners it does use are common standard grade 8 fine thread hardware readily available at Lowes, Home Depot,True Value and NAPA. The armorers tool kit consists of a folding hex key set, a small crescent wrench and one punch. Every maintenance and repair task is D.I.Y. at the user level in the field. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 3:23:04 AM EDT
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Personally, I went with the ARX. It really does not get hot. It also swaps barrels in, literally, seconds, & the price is right (both for the gun & the SBR bbls).
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Posted: 2/18/2017 3:40:40 AM EDT
[#16]
CZ Bren looks like a good option besides the expensive SCAR. But yeah SCAR's are nice.
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Posted: 2/18/2017 1:50:35 PM EDT
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OP they are all excellent rifles but I have to say XCR. (a) There are more options available for it than all the others....combined. (b) The XCR charging handle is in a lower, more natural and better position. (c) The XCR has the best trigger of the bunch bar none. Geisselles are the only thing equal to it IMHO/E Some examples of the engineering in the XCR. (1) The cam slot in the carrier has a long-ish straight section at the front of it. This gives the carrier time to build inertia before beginning to un lock the bolt. It also gives extra time for residual chamber pressure to drop to zero or near zero. (2) There is a caming ramp in the barrel extension for the bolt. It gives a 23:1 mechanical advantage in slow powerful initial extraction. This concept was first used in the Mauser model 1898. (3) It has a sliding T-slot extractor. It is not dependent on spring pressure to grip the case and can not slip off the rim like a pivoting extractor can. (4) The magazine sits very high up in the receiver with the feed lips passing through deep cuts in the BCG, putting the rounds close to the center line of the bore for nearly straight line feeding. The few fasteners it does use are common standard grade 8 fine thread hardware readily available at Lowes, Home Depot,True Value and NAPA. The armorers tool kit consists of a folding hex key set, a small crescent wrench and one punch. Every maintenance and repair task is D.I.Y. at the user level in the field. fixed ejector, as well. do you work for rob arms? either way its the best rifle of the bunch imho |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:17:07 PM EDT
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fixed ejector, as well. do you work for rob arms? either way its the best rifle of the bunch imho Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP they are all excellent rifles but I have to say XCR. (a) There are more options available for it than all the others....combined. (b) The XCR charging handle is in a lower, more natural and better position. (c) The XCR has the best trigger of the bunch bar none. Geisselles are the only thing equal to it IMHO/E Some examples of the engineering in the XCR. (1) The cam slot in the carrier has a long-ish straight section at the front of it. This gives the carrier time to build inertia before beginning to un lock the bolt. It also gives extra time for residual chamber pressure to drop to zero or near zero. (2) There is a caming ramp in the barrel extension for the bolt. It gives a 23:1 mechanical advantage in slow powerful initial extraction. This concept was first used in the Mauser model 1898. (3) It has a sliding T-slot extractor. It is not dependent on spring pressure to grip the case and can not slip off the rim like a pivoting extractor can. (4) The magazine sits very high up in the receiver with the feed lips passing through deep cuts in the BCG, putting the rounds close to the center line of the bore for nearly straight line feeding. The few fasteners it does use are common standard grade 8 fine thread hardware readily available at Lowes, Home Depot,True Value and NAPA. The armorers tool kit consists of a folding hex key set, a small crescent wrench and one punch. Every maintenance and repair task is D.I.Y. at the user level in the field. fixed ejector, as well. do you work for rob arms? either way its the best rifle of the bunch imho All the info is on the XCR forums. I would have posted the same, but I am lazy. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:24:43 PM EDT
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5.56: XCR .308: SCAR Yep. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 2:26:13 PM EDT
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fixed ejector, as well. do you work for rob arms? either way its the best rifle of the bunch imho No I do not. Not affiliated with them in any way either. Fixed ejectors are one way to get the job done. Plunger ejectors have been working since the M1 rifle made it's debut in 1936. By itself the whole fixed VS plunger thing is kind of a wash in my mind. The advantage the fixed ejector does give over a plunger ejector in this case is that it allows the bolt body to be a smaller diameter than if it had a plunger ejector. This pays off in allowing the magazine feed lips to be placed closer to the bore center axis line as mentioned previously. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 8:11:24 PM EDT
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A while ago I was in the same boat, and eventually settled on the SCAR. However, one of my biggest reasons was I had a 17 and a 16 made sense for familiarity. I also happened across one for a decent price. I don't regret it one bit. In fact, I ended up liking my 16 more than the 17. The trigger that came in the 17 was notoriously bad, but the stock one in my 16 was actually pretty doable. I did eventually change it for a Geissele, but really only because I happened to pick one up on sale for a pretty good price. In regards to the stock handguards, I don't ever recall them getting hot enough to burn my hands after I've put a bunch of mags through it. Alot of my shooting has been out in the desert during summer too, and I have grazed a knuckle or two on a hot barrel.
Before I bought the 16, I did check out an ACR in a gunshop. I like the looks of the ACR, but the balance felt really shitty to me, really front heavy. I read around about guys putting new barrels in to help that out, but at the time I didn't want to dick with it. Can't really comment on the XCR other than it got dropped from my list due to Robinson's bad CS rep, and availability seemed spotty when I was looking. In the end though, I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the choices. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 8:28:35 PM EDT
[#22]
If the price of the SCAR is too eye watering, the ARX 100 is a pretty good choice. You'll be out way less cash up front and the design and execution is very good.
Good write up of the design here: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?167538-Beretta-ARX-design-details-and-wear-at-500-rounds AJ |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 9:10:08 PM EDT
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I've owned a few xcr's and had no issues with any of them. I currently own an sbr xcr & acr, I don't think I would be able to decide which to get rid of if I had to. Although I guess the edge would go to xcr because of caliber changes that are readily available, bushmaster has finally started selling barrel assemblies and there are a few small aftermarket companies making parts and hg options but they're pricey.
I also owned a beretta arx and was impressed with it, but it was expendable to me. In my opinion, the scar 16 is probably an excellent rifle, but the other options are just as good for far cheaper. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 12:13:23 AM EDT
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I guess I'll be the first to recommend the ACR, it's a great rifle. Their website is back up and running, barrel kits are actually shipping, Nexus has an excellent carbon fiber hand guard, and it takes AR triggers.
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Posted: 2/19/2017 12:19:31 AM EDT
[#25]
ACR for price, and they shoot better than SCAR's.
SCAR's have funky recoil due to their poor copy of the G-36 BCG. XCR is probably a better gun than both, but are getting pricey and hard to find at times. ACR's can be had cheap now. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 10:52:48 AM EDT
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I have a Scar 17 13" and an ACR with the barrel at adco getting pinned to 14"". I only shot the ACR once before sending it in but it shot very well. I like the controls better than the scar, that bolt release is in the perfect location, kinda like a BAD lever. The stock is the best stock on any gun ever. It is a little front heavy but it can be cut and reprofiled easily. Both have adjustable gas for suppression which is huge for me. The trigger is quite good for a stock trigger. Once I have it back I'll be putting a Micro on it and calling it a day.
The Scar is easily the best combat rifle platform on the market IMO. With that, you are gonna pay a premium. To me it was worth it. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 10:01:44 PM EDT
[#27]
I'd get an MCX or ACR. Then get the XCR.
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Posted: 2/19/2017 11:41:57 PM EDT
[#28]
One of the best features of the ACR is the stock.
As for barrels and caliber conversions, SCAR barrel assemblies cost a lot, and the ACR has only had barrel options as of this year. The only one of the three that has has barrel and caliber options from the start is the XCR. They alreadt have a 300 blk barrels for it, as well as several other options. As for the ACR stock both the XCR and SCAR have adapters to put the ACR on them.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Going to go with the XCR L. Why both CZ and FN decided to mount the handguard on the barrel is beyond me. I was extremely disappointed in how hot the BREN got, especially given CZ's reputation. Sounds like the SCAR will only replicate that problem. The ACR is heavy and very poorly marketed. Bushmaster broke every promise Magpul made on the rifle. Quick change barrel means nothing if you don't have another barrel to change it to. The ARX 100 suffers from fugly duckling syndrome, although I am a Beretta fan. Thanks everyone for your input.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:44:12 PM EDT
[#30]
You'll be happy with your choice.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:17:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Your gonna love it man.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 10:35:26 PM EDT
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Your gonna love it man. I'm confident you are correct. I've always had a boner for the SCAR, but the $2.5k+ dollar tag is huge hurdle, and the XCR is only $1700 shipped. I'm an FN fanboi too, but I've already bought the bullet and bought a Five SeveN, but at least that wasn't the only $1100 gun around. PS90s also dropped below the $1200 mark, but SCARs are only going up. Guess that's one FN gun I won't be adding to my collection. I'll take pics of my XCR when it gets here. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 10:53:43 PM EDT
[#33]
Congrats!
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Posted: 2/22/2017 12:18:52 AM EDT
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I'm confident you are correct. I've always had a boner for the SCAR, but the $2.5k+ dollar tag is huge hurdle, and the XCR is only $1700 shipped. I'm an FN fanboi too, but I've already bought the bullet and bought a Five SeveN, but at least that wasn't the only $1100 gun around. PS90s also dropped below the $1200 mark, but SCARs are only going up. Guess that's one FN gun I won't be adding to my collection. I'll take pics of my XCR when it gets here. Where did you buy the XCR from? The ones on gunbroker are around $2k last I checked for a new one. I haven't tried contacting that Kermit guy I've read about. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 12:34:38 AM EDT
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Kiran04,
here's the contact information for the two best go to sources for XCR's, kits, parts and supplies. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 Runner-Six-Mike, Contact the stocking dealer/distributors above or the RA factory to ask about their policy on LE and Military. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 12:55:15 AM EDT
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I bought mine from Kermit. Shipped right to my FFL. He's super awesome to deal with.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 12:55:39 AM EDT
[#37]
ACR or put a grip or covers on the 805 if it bothers you that much.
ACR barrels are shipping supposedly. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_56/475233_Factory-barrels-have-shipped-.html |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 3:09:45 PM EDT
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Where did you buy the XCR from? The ones on gunbroker are around $2k last I checked for a new one. I haven't tried contacting that Kermit guy I've read about. There's two famous dealers on the XCR forums. That Kermit guy you've read about and Navalbeaver. I bought mine from the latter. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 9:20:07 PM EDT
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Kiran04, here's the contact information for the two best go to sources for XCR's, kits, parts and supplies. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 Runner-Six-Mike, Contact the stocking dealer/distributors above or the RA factory to ask about their policy on LE and Military. Never dealt with Kermit, but he has an outstanding rep, as does Nate. Both of these guys are good for spare parts also |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 8:31:52 PM EDT
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Never dealt with Kermit, but he has an outstanding rep, as does Nate. Both of these guys are good for spare parts also Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kiran04, here's the contact information for the two best go to sources for XCR's, kits, parts and supplies. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 Runner-Six-Mike, Contact the stocking dealer/distributors above or the RA factory to ask about their policy on LE and Military. Never dealt with Kermit, but he has an outstanding rep, as does Nate. Both of these guys are good for spare parts also Kermit screens his phone calls so do leave a message if you call him. He is great to deal with. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 9:43:59 PM EDT
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Where did you get the folding charging handle from? CSF Mountainman, IIRC Dont know if he makes them anymore |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 10:50:04 PM EDT
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Where did you get the folding charging handle from? CSF Mountainman, IIRC Dont know if he makes them anymore |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 12:57:16 PM EDT
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Where did you get the folding charging handle from? CSF Mountainman, IIRC Dont know if he makes them anymore It has been a bit. I had the roll pin holding it together walk out on me in the middle of a 3-gun. Still managed to hold it together by hand to charge it and finish. Got a replacement from my LGS, cut it to size and its back working. You lose the forward assist option, but I'm of the opinion if you have to force a round in, you may not get it back out, so I prefer to just eject the offending cartridge. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 2:48:17 PM EDT
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I have them all, I prefer them thusly - ACR, SCAR, XCR.
Taking others into account: ACR, Bren, SCAR, ARX, XCR. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 12:08:26 AM EDT
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I have them all, I prefer them thusly - ACR, SCAR, XCR. Taking others into account: ACR, Bren, SCAR, ARX, XCR. After this weekend shooting, I agree. Acr is top of my list now. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 9:41:40 PM EDT
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In 5.56? CZ Bren 805.
 No, seriously, it's the best option for a non-AR 5.56 military rifle design. $1400 to $1600, braced pistol or a rifle.
Of the three listed, ACR. Get a used Enhanced version for $1400, just make sure it's an up to date version. Scar 16 is overpriced for what it is. The Scar 17 is the Scar to get. XCR... Eugh. Could have been great, but a certain dumbass fucked it up. Skeli X11 is going to be released fairly soon, looks to be halfway decent, MSRP is lower than any of the other rifles listed. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 11:03:09 PM EDT
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There are plenty of positive posts about the XCR here. I'm curious to know what the flaws are of the XCR that qualify it as fucked up ?
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Posted: 2/28/2017 11:11:47 PM EDT
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XCR... Eugh. Could have been great, but a certain dumbass fucked it up. Kind of a dumbass fucked up statement. |
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