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Posted: 10/23/2016 1:32:37 PM EDT
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That's an interesting one. I'd say they owe you either a fully legal functional firearm or a full refund plus the shipping costs. However, collecting might be very difficult. I don't know that ATFE might not say "why didn't you turn yourself and the gun in when it first went full auto?" I don't know, not a lawyer, not do i play one on TV, but in my humble opinion, I think this time you should speak to a real attorney, preferably one recommended by the NRA.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 3:08:51 PM EDT
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IO is hurting right now because their rep is in the garbage. The universal consensus on IO guns is "don't buy".
I would have an attorney craft a letter and send it in. Repair or full refund, including return shipping costs. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:17:13 PM EDT
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Thanks for replies.
I fear an attorney would cost more than the gun is worth. 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:25:48 PM EDT
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Bad hammers. Well known problem. 15 minute fix. But if they use another from a pps43 it will either do the same thing or just not fire.
I had a few spares made up and a lot of guys say 870 hammers can be modified to work. They are morons if they don't know this. It is a VERY common problem. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 2:51:10 PM EDT
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Thanks for replies. I fear an attorney would cost more than the gun is worth. Well, THEY don't have to know the letter isn't from an attorney. You might get someone who plays one on TV to write the letter for you. Just the threat of legal action MIGHT get this off top dead center and get it moving. Hopefully THEY will realize that an attorney will cost more than the gun is worth. Good luck. Doc |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 3:28:39 PM EDT
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870 FCG group....
I'm scared to try mine since it was converted. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 6:37:12 PM EDT
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Well, THEY don't have to know the letter isn't from an attorney. You might get someone who plays one on TV to write the letter for you. Just the threat of legal action MIGHT get this off top dead center and get it moving. Hopefully THEY will realize that an attorney will cost more than the gun is worth. Good luck. Doc Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for replies. I fear an attorney would cost more than the gun is worth. Well, THEY don't have to know the letter isn't from an attorney. You might get someone who plays one on TV to write the letter for you. Just the threat of legal action MIGHT get this off top dead center and get it moving. Hopefully THEY will realize that an attorney will cost more than the gun is worth. Good luck. Doc Ha! Thanks! I actually was able to talk to someone today after calling several times and telling operator to not put me on vmail. I threatened to call ATF. Not sure exactly for what but figured why not. She told me she had to check with gunsmith and she would call back. I told her I would rather hold. She came back saying it was ready but had to go through "atf validation" before she could ship back and that would take 2 days. I told her to expect a call Thursday if I dont get tracking info. I am not holding my breath. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 9:39:36 PM EDT
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A buddy had the same issue with his, he never did get it right and traded it for a WASR. I hope yours turns out better.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 5:06:44 AM EDT
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Ha! Thanks! I actually was able to talk to someone today after calling several times and telling operator to not put me on vmail. I threatened to call ATF. Not sure exactly for what but figured why not. She told me she had to check with gunsmith and she would call back. I told her I would rather hold. She came back saying it was ready but had to go through "atf validation" before she could ship back and that would take 2 days. I told her to expect a call Thursday if I dont get tracking info. I am not holding my breath. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for replies. I fear an attorney would cost more than the gun is worth. Well, THEY don't have to know the letter isn't from an attorney. You might get someone who plays one on TV to write the letter for you. Just the threat of legal action MIGHT get this off top dead center and get it moving. Hopefully THEY will realize that an attorney will cost more than the gun is worth. Good luck. Doc Ha! Thanks! I actually was able to talk to someone today after calling several times and telling operator to not put me on vmail. I threatened to call ATF. Not sure exactly for what but figured why not. She told me she had to check with gunsmith and she would call back. I told her I would rather hold. She came back saying it was ready but had to go through "atf validation" before she could ship back and that would take 2 days. I told her to expect a call Thursday if I dont get tracking info. I am not holding my breath. ATF Validation? What a bunch of horsesh*t. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:08:26 AM EDT
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I own one and I left it with my gunsmith before ever firing it to clean up the rough edges and fix the safety, which would feel as though it was engaged, but a pull on the trigger would disengage and "fire" the weapon. Had plans to SBR it but am going to make sure it is functioning well first.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:13:55 AM EDT
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I bought one 2 years ago and still haven't shot it.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:44:31 PM EDT
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I bought one 2 years ago and still haven't shot it. mine only had a few months left in 1 yr warranty and he wasnt keen on taking it for repair service. They went out of their way to tell me they would not be paying for ahipping it since itwas close to end of warranty.. It is a fun pistol to shoot but not willing to take legal risks if it is messed up when they return to me. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 5:59:02 PM EDT
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There is a pretty good knowledge base of the fixes on the net. I had to raise the front of the trigger group to get proper hammer operation. I burned through all my tok ammo. Then converted it to 9mm. It loves russian steel cased.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:22:58 PM EDT
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There is a pretty good knowledge base of the fixes on the net. I had to raise the front of the trigger group to get proper hammer operation. I burned through all my tok ammo. Then converted it to 9mm. It loves russian steel cased. Sorry to digress- is that just a barrel swap? |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:59:38 PM EDT
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There is a pretty good knowledge base of the fixes on the net. I had to raise the front of the trigger group to get proper hammer operation. I burned through all my tok ammo. Then converted it to 9mm. It loves russian steel cased. Sorry to digress- is that just a barrel swap? This. Please |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 6:08:32 AM EDT
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The conversion to 9mm is fairly simple. Install a 9mm barrel. I also had to shorten the recoil spring by 1.25" or so to function reliability with the lower power 9mm. The original 7.62 mags seem to function just fine with 9mm. There are 7.62 mags that were modified by Pioneer to handle 9mm only. But they are just not currently available.
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Posted: 10/26/2016 12:55:05 PM EDT
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My 9mm PPs43C pistol (fractory 9mm) had an out of battery detonation. Scared the hell out of me, and havent shot it since.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 1:34:36 AM EDT
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Bad hammers. Well known problem. 15 minute fix. But if they use another from a pps43 it will either do the same thing or just not fire. I had a few spares made up and a lot of guys say 870 hammers can be modified to work. They are morons if they don't know this. It is a VERY common problem. Is it just the hammer or the whole trigger group ? What's the 15 min. fix ? -Thanks |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 5:48:42 AM EDT
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Timkel
Where did you purchase the barrel at? I have had zero troubles with mine. I SBR Mine, and it was a very easy mod. |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 3:21:32 PM EDT
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I think I got the barrel from stenparts.com But the barrel is no longer listed on their site.
Here is another source. Remember to measure the diameter of the original barrel just ahead of the chamber flange. I had the take 1.0mm off the new 9mm barrel to fit in the barrel trunnion. If you have a lathe , this is no problem. I do not know this seller. But they offer to cut barrel to your size. http://shop.beemarms.com/10-inch-9mm-Para-replacement-barrel-for-the-pps-43-pp-003.htm |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 3:26:14 PM EDT
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There are many details to making the 9mm conversion here.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155513 |
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