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Posted: 7/23/2016 6:40:12 PM EDT
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I have one that I built back in '07 and I love shooting it. (back when I could afford to feed her)
The BFS will not work as the trigger system is not even remotely similar. A reasonable A6 clone can be done with Israeli A6 parts which are still somewhat plentiful. You can also convert it between several calibers with relative ease using several available kits. (30.06, 7.62x51, 7.62x54R, 7.62x39, 8mm) Learn to headspace. Treat the driving spring like a primed and ready to detonate explosive as it can literally kill you. Lastly learn to headspace |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 6:53:53 PM EDT
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for clarifacation, I didnt think the franklin bfs would fit. Just wondering if a pull and release type fcg like the bfs could be configured or if its not doable. any body know?
And I am cool with having to headspace barrels, as I said I love the m2hb. And thanks for the input. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 10:32:23 AM EDT
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inspirational photos...
disclaimer, not my photos, the "stinger" t33 photo is to show the dfferences of a clone using AN/M2 30 parts. the m240b stock photo is just to show how much better it looks than the m249 stock provided in the m230 kit. m230 kit photos are just for reference on if a pull and release trigger system (similar to the Franklin bfs) could be configured. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 3:02:08 PM EDT
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just came across this, looking more and more viable...
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Posted: 7/24/2016 3:53:33 PM EDT
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I cannot tell you if a binary firing system will work with one. I can tell you, that i love mine, and i built mine back in 2003.
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Posted: 7/24/2016 4:35:36 PM EDT
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I cannot tell you if a binary firing system will work with one. I can tell you, that i love mine, and i built mine back in 2003. cool, give me the details man, what configuration, caliber, any tips for the build? |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 5:05:27 PM EDT
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yeah, give me the details man, what configuration, caliber, any tips for the build? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cannot tell you if a binary firing system will work with one. I can tell you, that i love mine, and i built mine back in 2003. yeah, give me the details man, what configuration, caliber, any tips for the build? It has been a while. I used one of the semi auto only sear and triggers. modified the internals to fit in the semi side plate, opened up the sear slot for the semi auto sear. I modified an air hammer bit to do the rivets, used a piece of steel as a backer for the rivets. back when i built mine, the conventional wisdom was you had to weld the semi side plate to the trunion, so i did that. That is no longer required. to make the grooves in the internals, I used an angle grinder and then finished off with a mill. it was time consuming. the internal parts are very hard. mine is in .308 and i even have it set up to fire blanks. here is my then 3 year old showing me his warface, right after I had built a set of spade grips for it 
and my then 9 year old shooting it. 
mounted on my "technical" 
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:20:26 PM EDT
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that is ridiculously awesome.
now you have me looking into pintle mounts for my jeep. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: just came across this, looking more and more viable...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElewmFpPEuwThat's cool.... |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:50:19 PM EDT
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that is ridiculously awesome. now you have me looking into pintle mounts for my jeep. I carry mine on my jeep sometimes. 
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Posted: 7/26/2016 6:43:25 PM EDT
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I carry mine on my jeep sometimes. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/Picture014.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/Picture014.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that is ridiculously awesome. now you have me looking into pintle mounts for my jeep. I carry mine on my jeep sometimes. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/Picture014.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/Picture014.jpg</a> I will admit I am jealous. I had a 47 cj2 I was going to restore into a faux MB. but never got around to it, so ended up selling it. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 4:25:26 PM EDT
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I will admit I am jealous. I had a 47 cj2 I was going to restore into a faux MB. but never got around to it, so ended up selling it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that is ridiculously awesome. now you have me looking into pintle mounts for my jeep. I carry mine on my jeep sometimes. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/Picture014.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/Picture014.jpg</a> I will admit I am jealous. I had a 47 cj2 I was going to restore into a faux MB. but never got around to it, so ended up selling it. Yeah. I just have a little compass. Yer vintage army jeep has me very envious as well. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 6:43:38 PM EDT
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Can you suppress these?
Not gonna lie, the "technicals" are awesome! You should modify and incorporate this 
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Posted: 7/28/2016 11:30:40 PM EDT
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yeah i am definitely gonna get one now.
I am still in the research phase and budget hunting for parts at the moment. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 4:04:53 PM EDT
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They are quite easy to build. Even easier now that they eliminated the need to weld the right side plate (RSP). I think I have about $1200 total into mine including the tripod, pintle, T&E, several cloth belts, several thousand links in both 7.62 and 30.06, along with 3 barrels (30.06, 8mm and 7.62) 2 boosters and one booster wrench. But I did build mine 10 years ago when kits were under $300. My tripod is a repro since this was before they were imported from Israel by the thousands. Here are more shots to egg you on. Mockup in the kitchen to make sure everything fit <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4-1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4open-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4open-1.jpg</a> Mockup on the tripod <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DCP_90405.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DCP_90405.jpg</a> Test fit of internals <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00388.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00388.jpg</a> Trigger frame and mods to make it semi-auto compliant. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00392.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00392.jpg</a> Finally a range trip. This was the Police range in St Augustine Florida. The M53 was worrisome as it ran away FA on it's first use! Caused a LOT of police to come over and see what I had going on... Turned out to be a weak spring on the second firing pin in the bolt head. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00692.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00692.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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yeah i am definitely gonna get one now. I am still in the research phase and budget hunting for parts at the moment. They are quite easy to build. Even easier now that they eliminated the need to weld the right side plate (RSP). I think I have about $1200 total into mine including the tripod, pintle, T&E, several cloth belts, several thousand links in both 7.62 and 30.06, along with 3 barrels (30.06, 8mm and 7.62) 2 boosters and one booster wrench. But I did build mine 10 years ago when kits were under $300. My tripod is a repro since this was before they were imported from Israel by the thousands. Here are more shots to egg you on. Mockup in the kitchen to make sure everything fit <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4-1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4open-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/M1919A4open-1.jpg</a> Mockup on the tripod <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DCP_90405.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DCP_90405.jpg</a> Test fit of internals <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00388.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00388.jpg</a> Trigger frame and mods to make it semi-auto compliant. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00392.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00392.jpg</a> Finally a range trip. This was the Police range in St Augustine Florida. The M53 was worrisome as it ran away FA on it's first use! Caused a LOT of police to come over and see what I had going on... Turned out to be a weak spring on the second firing pin in the bolt head. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/kalski/media/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00692.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/kalski/The%20gun%20rack/DSC00692.jpg</a> thats awesome, did you build the m53 also? the pics of the trigger frame really help. right now I am looking into capability of AN/M2 30 parts with the m1919A4, I really want the increased cyclic rate of the bolt (for binary, to avoid hammerfall) but does that mean I need to use the an/m2 30 trunion and or receiver as well or will the bolt run in a m1919 a4 type receiver? If i have to use a AN/m2 30 receiver, the decreased weight of the receiver wouldn't hurt also. but then that calls to question the compatibility of an/m2 30 trunion with an m1919a6 extension, barrel and sleeve I want a m1919a6 type set up, so i dont want the an/m2 30 barrel assembly (too light and flimsy) so i am trying to figure out what I need most of the 1919 kits I have seen are around $1500 (same price as complete and functional semi m1919 rifles on the usual places) AN/m2 30 kits or complete rifles I have not been able to find at all, but bmgparts.com seems to have all the parts I would need sold individually, provided I can compile a needed parts list and compare prices vs complete kits. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 5:57:10 PM EDT
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Pretty sure nothing is interchangeable between the AN/M2 and the M1919A4.
To install a BFS you will basically have to re-design the entire trigger and bolt setup. The bolts even on the semi-autos are pretty much self contained and more akin to a striker fired weapon than anything with a hammer. A cocking lever within the bolt cocks the firing pin which then latches to the sear. To fire it the sear is slid down by the trigger arm. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 7:31:26 PM EDT
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Pretty sure nothing is interchangeable between the AN/M2 and the M1919A4. To install a BFS you will basically have to re-design the entire trigger and bolt setup. The bolts even on the semi-autos are pretty much self contained and more akin to a striker fired weapon than anything with a hammer. A cocking lever within the bolt cocks the firing pin which then latches to the sear. To fire it the sear is slid down by the trigger arm. really? not that I doubt what you are saying. you definitely have more experience with the m1919 platform than I do. I was unaware the AN/M2 30cal was so different, everything I read stated that it was simply a m1919 that had every bit of weight reduced that it could. all the photos I have seen make it look like it has the same (perhaps slightly different) front truinion with a lighter barrel, and sleeve. all of the literature I have found states that the an/m2 bolt iis the same only that it has been milled down to reduce weight and increase the ROF. if nothings interchangeable that's very disappointing. I will definitely have to find another way to increase the cyclic rate of the bolt. as far as a BFS, I think i am going to try the m1919 ar15 trigger group conversion shown in the build video above, might be much more of a pain, but I think it'll be worth it to have a BFS FCG. more details of the ar15 FCG mod in the m1919 and how it was done are found here (pics and description of the mod on page 2): http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/1510345-1919-building-2.html |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 8:33:06 PM EDT
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AN/M2 bolts (note the milling to reduce weight increase ROF)
vs M1919 bolt 
of course just because they are both different variant of the same design in the same caliber doesnt mean the will be interchangeable. especially considering that the receiver plate thicknesses are different. begs to question, what else is built to different tolerances or widths/sizes. trying to find something definitive on this and coming up empty. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 10:40:06 PM EDT
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additional question,
what is the best place for m1919 kits right now, i keep coming up with just sarco. any deals I am missing?? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:12:07 PM EDT
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additional question, what is the best place for m1919 kits right now, i keep coming up with just sarco. any deals I am missing?? Try www.1919A4.com. Great place to learn and those guys will know for certain if AN/M2 parts are interchangeable. Usually to increase cyclic rate folks use an A6 barrel in their A4. Since the entire barrel moves with every shot the lighter A6 barrel usually does the trick for the folks with crank fire. Not sure spending the money on the AN/M2 bolt if is interchangeable would be of any help since that was designed for 1200+ rpm. Although being able to feed from either side (with proper top cover) would be cool but I think the M37 bolts can do the same thing. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 6:34:36 PM EDT
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thanks,
i'll check them out. |
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Posted: 8/2/2016 2:41:49 PM EDT
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i made these in .22LR using dress up kits using Marlin 795's and Ruger 10/22's.
its just cheaper for me to do these for just a few hundred dollars. im in the process of making a .22LR 1919A6 probably with a 10/22 
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Posted: 8/2/2016 10:14:36 PM EDT
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It has been a while. I used one of the semi auto only sear and triggers. modified the internals to fit in the semi side plate, opened up the sear slot for the semi auto sear. I modified an air hammer bit to do the rivets, used a piece of steel as a backer for the rivets. back when i built mine, the conventional wisdom was you had to weld the semi side plate to the trunion, so i did that. That is no longer required. to make the grooves in the internals, I used an angle grinder and then finished off with a mill. it was time consuming. the internal parts are very hard. mine is in .308 and i even have it set up to fire blanks. here is my then 3 year old showing me his warface, right after I had built a set of spade grips for it <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0412141115_zpsekonamgf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0412141115_zpsekonamgf.jpg</a> and my then 9 year old shooting it. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0412141111_zpsgm2hxkwf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0412141111_zpsgm2hxkwf.jpg</a> mounted on my "technical" <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0405141644_zpsgrflcqzw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0405141644_zpsgrflcqzw.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cannot tell you if a binary firing system will work with one. I can tell you, that i love mine, and i built mine back in 2003. yeah, give me the details man, what configuration, caliber, any tips for the build? It has been a while. I used one of the semi auto only sear and triggers. modified the internals to fit in the semi side plate, opened up the sear slot for the semi auto sear. I modified an air hammer bit to do the rivets, used a piece of steel as a backer for the rivets. back when i built mine, the conventional wisdom was you had to weld the semi side plate to the trunion, so i did that. That is no longer required. to make the grooves in the internals, I used an angle grinder and then finished off with a mill. it was time consuming. the internal parts are very hard. mine is in .308 and i even have it set up to fire blanks. here is my then 3 year old showing me his warface, right after I had built a set of spade grips for it <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0412141115_zpsekonamgf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0412141115_zpsekonamgf.jpg</a> and my then 9 year old shooting it. <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0412141111_zpsgm2hxkwf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0412141111_zpsgm2hxkwf.jpg</a> mounted on my "technical" <a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/user/gdsjr/media/Shooting/0405141644_zpsgrflcqzw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/Shooting/0405141644_zpsgrflcqzw.jpg</a> I like his war face... good job Dad.... |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 12:32:11 AM EDT
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i made these in .22LR using dress up kits using Marlin 795's and Ruger 10/22's. its just cheaper for me to do these for just a few hundred dollars. im in the process of making a .22LR 1919A6 probably with a 10/22 https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/776/21209018576_4d8d2be09b_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5648/21075567208_5e6becb621_b.jpg https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5680/21098212719_9f9e0e308a_b.jpg https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7777/18099928101_dd58c646f1_b.jpg https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8853/28648944791_eea85ce3fe_b.jpg thats a pretty outragous .22 lr collection, very cool. mg42 variant is definitely also on my list of things to have before I die. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 1:01:32 PM EDT
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the "stinger" t33 photo is to show the dfferences of a clone using AN/M2 30 parts. the m240b stock photo is just to show how much better it looks than the m249 stock provided in the m230 kit. m230 kit photos are just for reference on if a pull and release trigger system (similar to the Franklin bfs) could be configured. does anyone know what that trigger stock is where to get?? |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 9:41:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2016 4:59:55 PM EDT
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so I thought I would share some of what I learned regarding this project so far.
I have been over at the m1919 forum a bunch lately, great guys, very knowledgeable about the platform. AN/M2 and M1919 are not going to be at all compatible. but there are a number of ways to increase the cyclic rate however, booster mods, spring mods, and if all else fails, mil holes through the bolt via 1917 aircraft gun style (still not something I am eager to do) the biggest thing is shimming the buffer to attempt to negate the damage and wear incurred due to the increased force/speed of the bolt (can shake apart or bust the backplate out of your receiver) I am still in research mode, we will see... |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:51:35 PM EDT
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I'm jumping on the next batch of 7.62x39 mod kits that are coming out for the M1919. I still have a lot of '06 ammo but not wanting to just dump it in the M1919 anymore and would rather save it for the Garands. Still have some 8mm as well but am saving that for the M53. So since x39 is still fairly inexpensive it sounds like a win-win! Just not sure if I have an '06 right rear cartridge stop or not...
As for you buffer query. IIRC there was someone out there who made a hydraulic buffer that replaced the buffer discs in the grip for the M1919. It may be hard to find as that was a years ago when I just got into the M1919 game and when they were still $200 for a premium parts kits. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 6:45:42 PM EDT
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I'm jumping on the next batch of 7.62x39 mod kits that are coming out for the M1919. I still have a lot of '06 ammo but not wanting to just dump it in the M1919 anymore and would rather save it for the Garands. Still have some 8mm as well but am saving that for the M53. So since x39 is still fairly inexpensive it sounds like a win-win! Just not sure if I have an '06 right rear cartridge stop or not... As for you buffer query. IIRC there was someone out there who made a hydraulic buffer that replaced the buffer discs in the grip for the M1919. It may be hard to find as that was a years ago when I just got into the M1919 game and when they were still $200 for a premium parts kits. yeah 7.62x39 would be the inexpensive way to go, i thought about an RPD, but discounted the idea as i really want a full power beltfed. i looked into the m53, but i just dont have $4000 right now (well i do, just not to be spent on a gun if i wanna stay married) the m1919A6 looks like the way to go, if i can keep an eye out for a parts kit for $1000 to $1300. i figure its doable for around $2000. i'll get the m53 later (although i will prolly end up paying way more in a few years) i have a ton of 8mm laying around (i really stocked up when the getting was good for my mauser) i have quite a bit of 30-06 greek stuff too, but like you i save it for my garands. and i have a ton of 308 S&B light blue box that none of my rifles like (light strikes), I figure the m1919 may eat it ok so long as i really clean the hell outa the barrels after (corrosive) |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 11:10:35 AM EDT
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yeah 7.62x39 would be the inexpensive way to go, i thought about an RPD, but discounted the idea as i really want a full power beltfed. i looked into the m53, but i just dont have $4000 right now (well i do, just not to be spent on a gun if i wanna stay married) the m1919A6 looks like the way to go, if i can keep an eye out for a parts kit for $1000 to $1300. i figure its doable for around $2000. i'll get the m53 later (although i will prolly end up paying way more in a few years) i have a ton of 8mm laying around (i really stocked up when the getting was good for my mauser) i have quite a bit of 30-06 greek stuff too, but like you i save it for my garands. and i have a ton of 308 S&B light blue box that none of my rifles like (light strikes), I figure the m1919 may eat it ok so long as i really clean the hell outa the barrels after (corrosive) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm jumping on the next batch of 7.62x39 mod kits that are coming out for the M1919. I still have a lot of '06 ammo but not wanting to just dump it in the M1919 anymore and would rather save it for the Garands. Still have some 8mm as well but am saving that for the M53. So since x39 is still fairly inexpensive it sounds like a win-win! Just not sure if I have an '06 right rear cartridge stop or not... As for you buffer query. IIRC there was someone out there who made a hydraulic buffer that replaced the buffer discs in the grip for the M1919. It may be hard to find as that was a years ago when I just got into the M1919 game and when they were still $200 for a premium parts kits. yeah 7.62x39 would be the inexpensive way to go, i thought about an RPD, but discounted the idea as i really want a full power beltfed. i looked into the m53, but i just dont have $4000 right now (well i do, just not to be spent on a gun if i wanna stay married) the m1919A6 looks like the way to go, if i can keep an eye out for a parts kit for $1000 to $1300. i figure its doable for around $2000. i'll get the m53 later (although i will prolly end up paying way more in a few years) i have a ton of 8mm laying around (i really stocked up when the getting was good for my mauser) i have quite a bit of 30-06 greek stuff too, but like you i save it for my garands. and i have a ton of 308 S&B light blue box that none of my rifles like (light strikes), I figure the m1919 may eat it ok so long as i really clean the hell outa the barrels after (corrosive) The 1919 hits primers with some gusto so you should be fine with that ammo. I have some German DAG green blanks that my Garands will only dent even with Wolff power springs. The 1919 eats them with no problem. Feeding them is another issue as I need a cartridge guide specifically for the blanks. |
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