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Posted: 9/19/2016 8:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Methinks the Rem 7600 in .30-06 will fit the bill. I have an 870 so familiarity of function will go a long way in making good shots. I don't have a traditional hunting rifle per se', AK's and AR's in 6.8, so this will be it. Hard to go wrong with the Amish machinegun. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 12:45:12 AM EDT
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I live in Alaska...own a couple gun stores. Plenty of 358s up here... not very much ammo. We stock it (when we can get it). Bad choice in modern times due to lack of availability. Woods carry I go with a 10mm G20 loaded with 220 grain Buffalo Bore or Underwood. VERY popular and our number one selling handgun x 10.. I don't, along with 97% of other people, shoot a large caliber revolver very accurately under duress. So the guys recommending a 454, 460, or 500 is often bad advice especially if you can't shoot the damn thing and practice often. That being said, I don't go in the woods without a long gun. And it is either a Marlin 45-70 w/ Buffalo Bore 430 gain hardcast or a 12 Gauge with 3" Brenneke slugs. My personal "hunting rifle" is a 300 H&H, but most people use a 30-06, 300 Win, or 338 Win Mag. Believe it or not but 222 Remington and 30-30 are very popular calibers among the natives for polar bears, walrus and caribu. hope you listened to "most people use 30-06, 300 Win (mag), or 338 Win Mag" all very useful and appropriate calibers, ammo will be available, and you won't have a problem selling or trading if you want a different rifle later. Personally, I like stainless due to the weather I hunt in half or more of the time, but still take good care of it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 1:03:02 AM EDT
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That ship has sailed. He's going with .35 Whelen. All the calibers you mentioned above make a lot more sense IMO....but to each their own. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Methinks the Rem 7600 in .30-06 will fit the bill. I have an 870 so familiarity of function will go a long way in making good shots. I don't have a traditional hunting rifle per se', AK's and AR's in 6.8, so this will be it. Good choice. I was going say pick something readily available. 30-06, 300win mag, .308, 45-70... G-20 for handgun. That ship has sailed. He's going with .35 Whelen. All the calibers you mentioned above make a lot more sense IMO....but to each their own. Crap, I missed that somehow. What's wrong with that boy?!? Lol! 
OP, you reload? |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 3:26:57 PM EDT
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No sir I do not reload. Rifles chambered in .35 Whelen aren't impossible to find at a decent price still and I have been able to find a good selection of ammo on line, haven't checked the LGS's lately though.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 4:00:16 PM EDT
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As soon as I have my mind made up on caliber and gun I read something or get this notion to re-investigate the thought and I change my choices. I thought I had settled on the .30-06, but have some stupid stubborn streak that keeps bringing me back to the .35 Whelen, I want the caliber to be .35 Whelen, I can't explain it but I'm stuck on that cartridge. I just feel that for a non-magnum it is the best thing going for large game without jumping into the 9.3x62 or .375 Ruger rounds, but feel they'd just be too punishing to shoot. Now it's a matter of finding a suitable rifle chambered in it. 9.3 x 62 is not a hard recoiling round, at least not in the CZ-550 and it's hard to beat a 286 grain bullet going 2300 fps. ETA- you can find ammo for it in Alaska as well. I saw exactly 1 box of .35 Whelen. It was at Granite View Sports in Delta Junction, not at any of the sporting goods stores or gun shops in Fairbanks. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 5:15:41 PM EDT
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Not sure and don't have experience. But I'd take something easy to work on and find parts for. Also something w common easy to find ammo. And something in semi auto. I wouldn't want to use a lever or bolt action if something is charging at me especially with only a few rounds in the mag. Someone suggested a M14 which is not a bad idea. But I'd go with an FAL or Para FAL since it's easier to work on and mount optics. And back up would be a sg w slugs
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Posted: 9/20/2016 5:35:21 PM EDT
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Not sure and don't have experience. But I'd take something easy to work on and find parts for. Also something w common easy to find ammo. And something in semi auto. I wouldn't want to use a lever or bolt action if something is charging at me especially with only a few rounds in the mag. Someone suggested a M14 which is not a bad idea. But I'd go with an FAL or Para FAL since it's easier to work on and mount optics. And back up would be a sg w slugs
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Posted: 9/21/2016 2:17:58 AM EDT
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I can't do semi as I may not have the ability to do detailed cleaning for extended periods of time and I need reliability.
Searching for .35 Whelen rifles on Gunbroker, I'm getting Remington 700 CDL's and Ruger M77 Hawkeyes and variants. The BLR in .358 Win keeps calling out to me also, .35 caliber and a quick action. I'm so confused, I want it to be the right rifle and not have to trade out later on down the road because I made a bad choice. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 6:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That ship has sailed. He's going with .35 Whelen. All the calibers you mentioned above make a lot more sense IMO....but to each their own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Methinks the Rem 7600 in .30-06 will fit the bill. I have an 870 so familiarity of function will go a long way in making good shots. I don't have a traditional hunting rifle per se', AK's and AR's in 6.8, so this will be it. Good choice. I was going say pick something readily available. 30-06, 300win mag, .308, 45-70... G-20 for handgun. That ship has sailed. He's going with .35 Whelen. All the calibers you mentioned above make a lot more sense IMO....but to each their own. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 3:43:58 PM EDT
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Why not find a 7600 and get it re barreled to 338-06? Have a slightly heavier profile put on it, maybe a 20 inch carbine
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Posted: 9/21/2016 8:20:20 PM EDT
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This is just for shits and giggles so just spit balling here. I have a sweet 12.5 inch barreled 308 configured as a pistol. Would think with the right round like a 208 or larger bullet would work on the grizzlies. But how about a 162 gr AP bullet. You pros from up there that shoot bears may know. Would probably use a 12 gauge with 3 inch magnum slugs but thought I would ask about the AP rounds.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:32:00 PM EDT
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SS .375 H&H in a McMillan.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:28:57 PM EDT
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I can't do semi as I may not have the ability to do detailed cleaning for extended periods of time and I need reliability. Searching for .35 Whelen rifles on Gunbroker, I'm getting Remington 700 CDL's and Ruger M77 Hawkeyes and variants. The BLR in .358 Win keeps calling out to me also, .35 caliber and a quick action. I'm so confused, I want it to be the right rifle and not have to trade out later on down the road because I made a bad choice. Over thinking this. Get something popular. There are no popular 35s Standard bolt action from just about any American gun maker. 3X9 scope of decent make and your done. 308/06 338 7mm Mag 300wm 375 What more do you need? Forget this odd duck shit. Me. I'd grab an 06. Load it with a great bullet and be done. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:40:27 PM EDT
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Poll added
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:46:35 PM EDT
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I reject both your poll options, and stick with M14.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:54:43 PM EDT
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Do a quick search at midway
358 has 6 loadings 35 whelen has 14 300 wm has 80 sumthin and 06 has over 100 338 is in the 30s. There are reasons why we have so many. They work, they're popular and if your stuck in remote corner of the world the chances of finding a box go up ten fold. The miniscule differences in bullet size mean nothing if you have no bullet. As for rifles is go with the BLR. Forend doesn't rattle. And you can get it in take-down stainless. I be used my longgun as a wading staff I need all the rust prevention I can get. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 1:15:00 PM EDT
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I would probably bring my vepr in .308 or ptr-91.
if bears are a serious issue, then i want semi auto and 20 rd mags. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 9:15:12 PM EDT
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I would probably bring my vepr in .308 or ptr-91. if bears are a serious issue, then i want semi auto and 20 rd mags. I like the way you think man |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 3:46:22 PM EDT
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I think I've finally chosen my Alaskan rifle, Remington 7600 in .35 Whelen with fixed 4x scope.
Now it's a matter of finding one or getting a .30-06 model and re-boring it to .35 Whelen 
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Posted: 10/5/2016 4:12:04 AM EDT
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I like the way you think man Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would probably bring my vepr in .308 or ptr-91. if bears are a serious issue, then i want semi auto and 20 rd mags. I like the way you think man You can also get 16" barrel versions of these and add folding stocks if you need something smaller. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 4:00:14 PM EDT
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Honestly OP I would get the remington 700 XCR in 375 H&H
375 H&H is the smallest caliber you can use to generally hunt elephants it is a well known bear and moose dropper but not too big for deer it is a great brush caliber and there are many great loads availabel for it think of it like a bigger badder 30-06 It is magic with a reddot. (no fear of scope bite) the XCR (extreme condition rifel) is brushed stainless with a electro plated finish that supposedly has diamond dust in it. the stock is kevlar and sealed to moisture. for alaska that is how i'd go with a t2 aim point. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 4:44:54 PM EDT
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Grizz= Me feeling the need for bolt action reliability-just saying
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Posted: 10/5/2016 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Bolt actions introduce massive potential for user error. They're not any more reliable than a good semi-automatic, especially one designed for military use.
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Posted: 10/5/2016 11:01:45 PM EDT
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.35 Whelen is a monster when you handload for it and that fat bullet dumps energy fast. While having a repeater would be nice, I'd personally prefer the power that Whelen sends out.
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Posted: 10/30/2016 7:06:05 PM EDT
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As much I think they are rather unrefined and on average don't hold a candle to .308 Tikka T3s for accuracy, a polymer stocked, stainless Ruger Scout rifle with iron sights, would be about ideal for this role. Frankly if you intend to be any sort of outdoorsman worth his salt, you really need to be able to be competent in the use of a bolt action.
Plus with a simple mag change you can adapt your ammo to fill different roles. Option B (which would be a rather expensive one) would be a lightweight Larue PredatAR 16" .308. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 5:09:08 PM EDT
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Still haven't purchased, still stuck on caliber, what's the thoughts and experiences on the .338 Federal? I am now leaning towards a Savage 116 in .338 Federal with a fixed 4x scope on it.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 7:28:26 PM EDT
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I was thinking of this thread today.
I'd go 338wm in heart beat. I stay with popular calibers. I think I've said it here before. |
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Posted: 11/29/2016 12:09:15 AM EDT
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If your shooting Alaskan predators and thinking 338, I would go 338LM. Am looking to get one here shortly.
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Posted: 11/29/2016 3:44:45 AM EDT
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I'm referring to .338 Federal, not any magnums.
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Posted: 12/9/2016 1:07:13 PM EDT
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I think I've settled on my caliber, the .35 Whelen, now I just need to find the right gun.
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Posted: 12/11/2016 10:57:19 AM EDT
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Ruger
Winchester Savage Remington Any of those bolts in .35 whelen will work just fine I really like 7600s, and BLR s but think bolts are better for hard use guns. Myself? I'd just use my m1 or Ruger m77mkll in 7mm mauser |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 2:59:29 PM EDT
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Neither, I'd go with a semi auto .308 like a FAL, AR, or PTR. I would feel undergunned with a bolt, pump, or lever gun no matter the caliber.
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Posted: 12/11/2016 3:22:31 PM EDT
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There's a lot of good advice being given. So, why are you going with .35 Whelen? My two cents. Get a good basic rifle in a common caliber and get out there. If you think you still want an uncommon caliber go for it. I don't think you will. I shot a 300 win mag for years and am now shooting a 300 WSM. In the pistol category it was a .44 Redhawk for years. I gave that to my brother because the guys at work got me a .454 Casull Super Redhawk for a retirement gift. Welcome to Alaska!
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Posted: 12/11/2016 6:15:28 PM EDT
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Why not .300 or .338 win mags? I would prefer .338 for big bears but they're both great (and I imagine very common) choices up there.
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Posted: 12/11/2016 6:31:51 PM EDT
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I'd go with the .35 Whelen, but I'm not too fond of the 7600. I'd prefer a bolt action myself.
While living in AK I eventually bought a Sako 75 in .375 H&H and never met a bear or moose who disputed my choice of caliber. There's a store in Anchorage on Muldoon, called Gun Traders, you can always find .338's in the rack and other good hunting rifles. |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 11:55:52 PM EDT
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I just believe the .35 Whelen is the best large game non-magnum caliber that doesn't have punishing recoil. I think the 9.3's would have stout recoil and are even less available locally than the .35 Whelen. I do like the pump action, I think it'd compliment my 870 nicely. I have at least two of every firearm I own except for the 870, I wouldn't have two 7600's so these two would make a nice pair and fill the hunting rifle niche nicely.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:20:53 AM EDT
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I just believe the .35 Whelen is the best large game non-magnum caliber that doesn't have punishing recoil. I think the 9.3's would have stout recoil and are even less available locally than the .35 Whelen. I do like the pump action, I think it'd compliment my 870 nicely. I have at least two of every firearm I own except for the 870, I wouldn't have two 7600's so these two would make a nice pair and fill the hunting rifle niche nicely. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:24:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:30:21 AM EDT
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Why not .300 or .338 win mags? I would prefer .338 for big bears but they're both great (and I imagine very common) choices up there. You're right. They're far and away the two most common calibers in Alaska. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:30:14 PM EDT
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.35 caliber is larger than .33 or .30, just not going as fast. I don't think anyone disputes the ability of the .35 whelen on even the largest game. Magnums are over rated. If I expect to take alot of shots past 300 yards, then I'd probably be considering a magnum, but I do not believe I would even attempt a shot past 300 yards, not even on a big browny.
I want to find a 7600 in .35 whelen, I believe that would be the ticket. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 9:35:48 PM EDT
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.35 caliber is larger than .33 or .30, just not going as fast. I don't think anyone disputes the ability of the .35 whelen on even the largest game. Magnums are over rated. If I expect to take alot of shots past 300 yards, then I'd probably be considering a magnum, but I do not believe I would even attempt a shot past 300 yards, not even on a big browny. I want to find a 7600 in .35 whelen, I believe that would be the ticket. 
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Posted: 12/13/2016 10:24:42 PM EDT
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.35 caliber is larger than .33 or .30, just not going as fast. I don't think anyone disputes the ability of the .35 whelen on even the largest game. Magnums are over rated. If I expect to take alot of shots past 300 yards, then I'd probably be considering a magnum, but I do not believe I would even attempt a shot past 300 yards, not even on a big browny. I want to find a 7600 in .35 whelen, I believe that would be the ticket. How many Alaskan residents are recommended this? |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 9:03:16 AM EDT
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Bolt actions introduce massive potential for user error. They're not any more reliable than a good semi-automatic, especially one designed for military use. Agree ... I've watched guys at the range fumble-fuck their bolt guns just trying to get them zero-ed from a bench for the annual deer hunt. What are they going to do out in the Alaskan boonies under the duress and shit-their-pants-fear of a Grizzlly charge? A semiautomatic "carbine-sized" weapon, if maintained, will be more reliable in that situation than any long-barreled bolt gun and, with some amount of practice, the user's first-round hit probability will be higher. Hence, another reason why the reloading machine is your best "cabin buddy." The perfect Alaskan "bush rifle" would be one of Shuff's 16.1" Mini-Gs in .308, 30-06 - or, yes, .35 Whelen, which he offers as a chambering option. All these cartridges load and fire from 8-rd USGI en bloc clips. Keep the bayonet handy as a last resort, ... in case Mr. Grizz is still standing when you hear that little 'PING'!
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Posted: 1/6/2017 2:59:44 PM EDT
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Now that is nice! ^^^
I believe I will go with a 7600 and am now considering just going with .30-06, ammo availability is a determining factor and the rifle is still in production. Finding a rifle in a caliber that was in limited production makes them hard to find and expensive. If nothing else I'll have a rifle in a caliber I can get bullets for and if the ol' .30-06 doesn't drop them with the first shot, repeat shots are pretty quick. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 5:49:01 PM EDT
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Now that is nice! ^^^ I believe I will go with a 7600 and am now considering just going with .30-06, ammo availability is a determining factor and the rifle is still in production. Finding a rifle in a caliber that was in limited production makes them hard to find and expensive. If nothing else I'll have a rifle in a caliber I can get bullets for and if the ol' .30-06 doesn't drop them with the first shot, repeat shots are pretty quick. In '06, you'd still do better with a full-size M1 Garand, or an 18" "Tanker," or a 16.1" Mini-G. What you need is a fast-handling, hard-hitting, brush-busting "carbine-size" weapon that's RELIABLE. My personal opinion, ... but Remmy 7600s are junk.  
Just sayin'. But good luck with whatever you choose! 
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Posted: 1/6/2017 6:23:14 PM EDT
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Either a SCAR 17 or a Win M70 in 30-06.
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Posted: 1/7/2017 9:54:29 AM EDT
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Amprecon:
Below is what my 16.1" Mini-G looks like with a forwarded-mounted 2.75x Scout Scope. But that's a hunting set-up for sub-200yd shots on deer and hogs, and maybe the occasional coyote lured in on a call. If I was humping it around in the Alaskan bush, I'd likely go irons only for quick use on a charging bear. Again, 30-06, .308, .35 Whelen, ... take your pick. Shuff, I believe, hunts with his personal .35 Whelen Mini-G. In the Mini-Gs, the op rod and gas are regulated by Schuster Mfg.'s adjustable gas plug, so you can literally tune the weapon to ANY commercial 30-06 hunting ammo, or your reloads, especially those which use the 200gn or 220gn bullets you'd likely want against bears. 
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Posted: 1/8/2017 12:07:16 AM EDT
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What kind of buttstock pouch is that? I need some.
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Posted: 1/8/2017 10:02:12 AM EDT
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What kind of buttstock pouch is that? I need some. Opolongo Outfitters. Brownells carries the stock pouches, OD Green or Coyote I believe ... The guy who runs O. O. is a solid stand-up guy and a vet. Check out his website for his M1-related gear, which he makes himself. |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 11:53:50 AM EDT
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Opolongo Outfitters. Brownells carries the stock pouches, OD Green or Coyote I believe ... The guy who runs O. O. is a solid stand-up guy and a vet. Check out his website for his M1-related gear, which he makes himself. Thanks. Looks like a great way to carry 10/22 mags. |
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