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Posted: 12/31/2017 3:17:14 PM EDT
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long thread so pardon me if this has been asked and answered... on the 2016 pistol, would an ASR mount with a saker 762 require modification, or would you be able to just mount a 5.56 flashhider safely?
This is the exact Bren I purchased, it should be here Tuesday https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/CZ-805-Bren-10-5-FDE-with-SB-Tactical-Folding-Brace-New/93-1716002/ |
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Posted: 1/1/2018 8:23:16 PM EDT
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long thread so pardon me if this has been asked and answered... on the 2016 pistol, would an ASR mount with a saker 762 require modification, or would you be able to just mount a 5.56 flashhider safely? This is the exact Bren I purchased, it should be here Tuesday https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/CZ-805-Bren-10-5-FDE-with-SB-Tactical-Folding-Brace-New/93-1716002/ |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 4:46:25 AM EDT
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FDE should have 1/2-28 threads. Also they changed to the flip up sights.
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Posted: 1/2/2018 11:20:43 AM EDT
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FDE should have 1/2-28 threads. Also they changed to the flip up sights. |
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Posted: 1/2/2018 9:39:02 PM EDT
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I think I'm in love!
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Posted: 1/2/2018 9:51:28 PM EDT
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Really wish they added a damn bolt release.
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Posted: 1/4/2018 6:03:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is something I never got. Why spend near $2000 on a firearm to then only use a subpar optic. MROs and Aimpoint PROs arent that expensive anymore. Shoot...get a Vortex |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 1:41:04 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the 300 blackout Bren’s? Back when they were anounced I called CZ USA and a guy told me they should start shipping Q2 2017. I didn’t want to wait any longer to get SBR paperwork going so I ordered 5.56, really glad I did now. Anyone heard anything on that?
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Posted: 1/4/2018 10:44:39 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the 300 blackout Bren's? Back when they were anounced I called CZ USA and a guy told me they should start shipping Q2 2017. I didn't want to wait any longer to get SBR paperwork going so I ordered 5.56, really glad I did now. Anyone heard anything on that? Would be super curious to know if anyone here ever got a factory 300 BLK Bren, 'cause it's probably a unicorn now. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 12:32:21 AM EDT
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I know Sig went through a lot of R&D to make the piston setup run 300 BO reliably. Maybe they, CZ, were having issues with it. Or maybe found it wasn't worth it. Or maybe....just maybe they said screw it, we are releasing the Bren 2 soon enough, and we would sell more Bren 2's than we will ever sell 805's in 300BO.
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Posted: 1/5/2018 1:34:06 PM EDT
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Shoot I didn’t notice they vanished from the CZ USA website. Probably not a good sign there. I kept a watchful eye out on gunbroker & other websites that had them listed for sale but out of stock and never actually saw one come up for sale anywhere. That would be sweet if it was nixed due to expediting bringing the Bren 2 over. Who knows, maybe they will sell the conversion barrels sometime down the road.
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Posted: 1/5/2018 2:19:45 PM EDT
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I know Sig went through a lot of R&D to make the piston setup run 300 BO reliably. Maybe they, CZ, were having issues with it. Or maybe found it wasn't worth it. Or maybe....just maybe they said screw it, we are releasing the Bren 2 soon enough, and we would sell more Bren 2's than we will ever sell 805's in 300BO. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 5:02:14 PM EDT
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People don't realize its hard to get an existing piston driven gun to run .300 blk reliably suppressed, unsuppressed, super sonic and subsonic. It's not easy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know Sig went through a lot of R&D to make the piston setup run 300 BO reliably. Maybe they, CZ, were having issues with it. Or maybe found it wasn't worth it. Or maybe....just maybe they said screw it, we are releasing the Bren 2 soon enough, and we would sell more Bren 2's than we will ever sell 805's in 300BO. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 5:11:42 PM EDT
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Yep, as much as we all like to bash Sig, there is a reason that MCX has went through as many generations as it has. The gas system has changed IIRC, three times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know Sig went through a lot of R&D to make the piston setup run 300 BO reliably. Maybe they, CZ, were having issues with it. Or maybe found it wasn't worth it. Or maybe....just maybe they said screw it, we are releasing the Bren 2 soon enough, and we would sell more Bren 2's than we will ever sell 805's in 300BO. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 7:51:27 PM EDT
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Its also why RRA is struggling with the PDS and getting is to suppress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know Sig went through a lot of R&D to make the piston setup run 300 BO reliably. Maybe they, CZ, were having issues with it. Or maybe found it wasn't worth it. Or maybe....just maybe they said screw it, we are releasing the Bren 2 soon enough, and we would sell more Bren 2's than we will ever sell 805's in 300BO. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 8:07:50 PM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI.
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Posted: 1/5/2018 10:08:27 PM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 4:16:58 AM EDT
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Sources say, not likely at all. However, when the US factory comes on line there is no way of knowing what they will be tooling up to produce.
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Posted: 1/6/2018 8:09:14 AM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:07:59 AM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:32:08 AM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 7:58:10 PM EDT
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That's not surprising. I think the only hope was for Christmas 2018 if at all. Maybe they will introduce it at SHOT 2019 for a summer release. They posted some full auto 806's on their instagram awhile back so they must be making enough of them.
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Posted: 1/6/2018 11:57:16 PM EDT
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Really wish they added a damn bolt release. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 12:16:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most steel cased ammo is using a 'bimetal' jacket bullet. Which is just a very soft steel jacket that has been copper washed. Some testing shows increased bore wear from ammo of this type. The propellant used may also be a contributing factor. YMMV. Edit to add: The most quoted test: https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/ You can use any Wolf or Tula ammo without worry. And don't use that Lucky Gunner link as a reference to anything realistic. It wasn't realistic at all. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:38:26 AM EDT
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If I am not mistaken...and I can't find the source to quote on it BUT CZ has mentioned that IF the 806 hits US shores, it will not be until '19! And it seems to be a big "IF"!
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Posted: 1/7/2018 10:38:43 AM EDT
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My large backstrap shipped...should be here this week...ill update once I get it.
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Posted: 1/7/2018 11:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a realistic test. They shot mag dump after mag dump. What removes the rifling was the excessive heat caused in extremes that nobody will ever put their rifle through. It wasn't Wolf ammo that shot out the barrel. It was thousands of rounds non-stop and rapidly. Getting the barrels up to 750 degrees. Nobody will ever do that. Even your average rifle course is going to be an entire day and 500 rounds, with controlled fire and not mag dumps. You can use any Wolf or Tula ammo without worry. And don't use that Lucky Gunner link as a reference to anything realistic. It wasn't realistic at all. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 2:38:04 PM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People don't realize its hard to get an existing piston driven gun to run .300 blk reliably suppressed, unsuppressed, super sonic and subsonic. It's not easy. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:32:43 PM EDT
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Pulled my Bren barrel yesterday and placed order with ADCO for chop to 14.1" with AAC 51t blackout. Also ordered a set of Troy Micros to go with the ADM low T-1 mount and the military skeleton stock.
I would post pics but Photobucket doesn't want me too anymore. If anyone knows how to post without Photobucket please let me know. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 4:16:25 PM EDT
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I would post pics but Photobucket doesn't want me too anymore. If anyone knows how to post without Photobucket please let me know. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 5:29:54 PM EDT
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While I agree with him, I think his reasoning is a little flawed. Sure, they're delivering them to military sales which is first priority, but the civilian ones are different guns for many parts. It's just a matter of how much capacity CZ has total. If they got a big 806 contract, it'll affect a lot of guns now just civie 806's. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 8:39:27 PM EDT
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Maybe CZ is slow playing it while seeing how the 805’s sell. Everyone convince all your friends to buy an 805, just in case.
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Posted: 1/7/2018 9:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really is not a big deal a deal as people think. Your hand is right under charging handle when loading fresh mags. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 9:12:28 PM EDT
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While I agree with him, I think his reasoning is a little flawed. Sure, they're delivering them to military sales which is first priority, but the civilian ones are different guns for many parts. It's just a matter of how much capacity CZ has total. If they got a big 806 contract, it'll affect a lot of guns now just civie 806's. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 10:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The testing being exaggerated to accelerate the results doesn’t mean the results are inaccurate. Given identical conditions, bimetallic jackets will wear your barrel faster than copper. That’s pretty basic physics. Here, Chris from ARGT even states that average use of a CHF barrel with bimetal rounds is between 18-22K rounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXkNPlXKAI He speaks from experience and also from many training classes. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:58:27 AM EDT
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The testing being exaggerated to accelerate the results doesn’t mean the results are inaccurate. Given identical conditions, bimetallic jackets will wear your barrel faster than copper. That’s pretty basic physics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not a realistic test. They shot mag dump after mag dump. What removes the rifling was the excessive heat caused in extremes that nobody will ever put their rifle through. It wasn't Wolf ammo that shot out the barrel. It was thousands of rounds non-stop and rapidly. Getting the barrels up to 750 degrees. Nobody will ever do that. Even your average rifle course is going to be an entire day and 500 rounds, with controlled fire and not mag dumps. You can use any Wolf or Tula ammo without worry. And don't use that Lucky Gunner link as a reference to anything realistic. It wasn't realistic at all. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 5:04:49 PM EDT
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MAC said on his live chat to not expect the Bren 2 (806), to be released this year FYI. 
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Posted: 1/12/2018 3:44:44 PM EDT
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I guess the guy that had my BREN's lower installed the large backstrap already.
I have a spare large backstrap if anyone wants it...Here is a link to my ad: backstrap ad |
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Posted: 1/12/2018 7:21:15 PM EDT
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I guess the guy that had my BREN's lower installed the large backstrap already. I have a spare large backstrap if anyone wants it...Here is a link to my ad: backstrap ad 
ETA: payment sent! |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 7:07:40 PM EDT
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It is yours and packaged up ready to go.
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Posted: 1/13/2018 8:27:42 PM EDT
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The testing being exaggerated to accelerate the results doesn’t mean the results are inaccurate. Given identical conditions, bimetallic jackets will wear your barrel faster than copper. That’s pretty basic physics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not a realistic test. They shot mag dump after mag dump. What removes the rifling was the excessive heat caused in extremes that nobody will ever put their rifle through. It wasn't Wolf ammo that shot out the barrel. It was thousands of rounds non-stop and rapidly. Getting the barrels up to 750 degrees. Nobody will ever do that. Even your average rifle course is going to be an entire day and 500 rounds, with controlled fire and not mag dumps. You can use any Wolf or Tula ammo without worry. And don't use that Lucky Gunner link as a reference to anything realistic. It wasn't realistic at all. Under normal conditions, the difference in barrel life between the two ammunition types is far, far smaller. I'd say... 18,000 rnds VS 22,000 rounds? Something like that, before the weapon is incapable of holding 4 MOA. Regardless, the cost difference at that round count is sufficient to get a couple replacement barrels. |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 12:12:08 AM EDT
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Actually, it does mean the test is invalid. Only long term testing under normal conditions is going to show truly accurate data; this is due to the heat buildup, causing the rifling to wear abnormally fast. That excess heat can cause issues with bimetal jackets, since the chrome becomes more malleable, and the bimetal jacket is harder than the copper or brass jacket. All this proves is that bimetal reduces barrel life, not how much of a reduction it is, which is of greater importance. Under normal conditions, the difference in barrel life between the two ammunition types is far, far smaller. I'd say... 18,000 rnds VS 22,000 rounds? Something like that, before the weapon is incapable of holding 4 MOA. Regardless, the cost difference at that round count is sufficient to get a couple replacement barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Not a realistic test. They shot mag dump after mag dump. What removes the rifling was the excessive heat caused in extremes that nobody will ever put their rifle through. It wasn't Wolf ammo that shot out the barrel. It was thousands of rounds non-stop and rapidly. Getting the barrels up to 750 degrees. Nobody will ever do that. Even your average rifle course is going to be an entire day and 500 rounds, with controlled fire and not mag dumps. You can use any Wolf or Tula ammo without worry. And don't use that Lucky Gunner link as a reference to anything realistic. It wasn't realistic at all. Under normal conditions, the difference in barrel life between the two ammunition types is far, far smaller. I'd say... 18,000 rnds VS 22,000 rounds? Something like that, before the weapon is incapable of holding 4 MOA. Regardless, the cost difference at that round count is sufficient to get a couple replacement barrels. At the end of the day, 99% of gun owners won't shoot enough to make a difference. |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 8:56:19 PM EDT
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Double
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Posted: 1/14/2018 9:11:40 PM EDT
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Really is not a big deal a deal as people think. Your hand is right under charging handle when loading fresh mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really wish they added a damn bolt release. |
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Posted: 1/17/2018 5:57:42 PM EDT
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ACR stock adapter and manticore forend sitting at home. Bren ordered on Friday. Just need to find me an ACR stock and order the rear head. Getting excited!
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Posted: 1/17/2018 6:36:39 PM EDT
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I just scored a new CZ Bren 805 Pistol (2nd gen) on Gunbroker for $1240 shipped. Now I need to send off Form 1 for SBR!
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Posted: 1/17/2018 9:52:36 PM EDT
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I just scored a new CZ Bren 805 Pistol (2nd gen) on Gunbroker for $1240 shipped. Now I need to send off Form 1 for SBR! |
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Posted: 1/17/2018 10:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't you get one from buds for 1179? |
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Posted: 1/17/2018 10:57:04 PM EDT
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Which side are you guys running the charging handle on, and are you a righty or a lefty?
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