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Posted: 4/3/2015 5:14:35 PM EDT
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day Why, am I wrong? Yes, you are wrong Yes, he is. Pmags, Lancers, GI mags, etc are tough as hell |
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Posted: 4/4/2015 6:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are pretty much a jam-a-matic unless you get factory mags ($$$). SOME aftermarkets work, but you have to get lucky.... 
So you spent $10-$20 on a crap mag but could have bought a factory mag for $30-$40 but it's the guns fault that it is a jam-a-matic?
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Posted: 4/4/2015 10:26:36 PM EDT
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The It always cracks me up when a person that is new to the AR platform is advised to build a rifle.
Really? The new guys that take this advice usually end up posting on here "need help with new gun jamming". 
A ten year old could build an AR.. Literally. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 8:05:07 PM EDT
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New Mini 14s come with a low profile 1913 rail to Mount optics in place of the stock rings. They also come with 1" rings that ruger will exchange straight across for 30MM rings. They also feel good, balance well, are perfectly reliable. I prefer the 20 round mags for looks and ease of use. You can also stick a 10 round mag in the rifle and it has an extremely low profile in an iron sight set up. Allowing semi auto firepower in a scabbard rifle. Mine shoots under 3MOA, as I have documented in the MOA all day thread. And that was handicapped with a 1x optic at 50 yards. When Adjusting to a 50 yard zero at 4x on the Viper the groups were 1.5MOA ish. But I was shooting against a friend with an Aimpoint so the official groups were shot at 1x.
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Posted: 4/5/2015 8:53:31 PM EDT
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The It always cracks me up when a person that is new to the AR platform is advised to build a rifle.
Really? The new guys that take this advice usually end up posting on here "need help with new gun jamming".
A ten year old could build an AR.. Literally. Yes it's not hard to build an AR for some. Not so easy for others. You need some basic tools. And, as I said above unless you are planning on getting into AR15s big time, or have AR shooting friends, it's much cheaper and easier to just buy a good gun that is backed by a warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:12:53 PM EDT
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I had a Mini-14. Quality magazines were scarce and expensive, and it couldn't hit a barn from the inside.
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:50:08 PM EDT
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That may have been true in the past, but right now ar-15 are cheaper than Ruger Mini 14s. I've owned both but I no longer own a Mini, kinda regret it. They both have a place.
Right now you can buy a Colt for the price of the Ruger. The Colt 6720 is as low as $799 at PSA. |
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Posted: 4/6/2015 3:32:22 AM EDT
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So you spent $10-$20 on a crap mag but could have bought a factory mag for $30-$40 but it's the guns fault that it is a jam-a-matic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They are pretty much a jam-a-matic unless you get factory mags ($$$). SOME aftermarkets work, but you have to get lucky....
So you spent $10-$20 on a crap mag but could have bought a factory mag for $30-$40 but it's the guns fault that it is a jam-a-matic? It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is- its not like this is a lawsuit, counselor. The fact is there's no reliable aftermarket mini mags at a reasonable price and Ruger mags are pricey. The remaining fact is that a magazine is required to operate the rifle, and one (or more) that functions correctly would be ideal Since reliable GI mags have been in continuous production since the 60's to supply the entire US mil, they are plentiful and cheap, as are NEW Pmags (I want to say I saw them at a gun show in march for $13?- less than a $20 crap mini mag that won't work, if my math is correct). Plus, everything else I posted is also true. |
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Posted: 4/6/2015 8:01:31 AM EDT
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Right now I can think of several complete ARs that I can buy complete for the same or less than an entry level Mini. Mini prices have crept up (like everything else) while ARs are getting cheaper.
Average pencil profile barrel AR will be more accurate than the average Mini. Both platforms are tops in reliability. AR mags are much cheaper and more plentiful. Biggest plus for the Mini is it's compact size, easy to sling over your back or drop in an ATV scabbard. |
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Posted: 4/6/2015 8:28:07 AM EDT
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Outside of the nostalgia of having a Mini 14 being my first rifle, I see no reason to select that platform....for any reason over an AR.
The lack of accuracy in the Mini is a little overblown IMO, but certainly a consideration all the same. When better exists for the same or less money, buy "better". If you need to save a little more to get a vastly better gun, I'd suggest doing that. |
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Posted: 4/7/2015 6:18:30 PM EDT
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I had a Mini-14. Quality magazines were scarce and expensive, and it couldn't hit a barn from the inside. "It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: 
Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. 
On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: 
So I went back and fired for affect: 
Not too bad..I’m happy with it. 
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Posted: 4/7/2015 6:22:44 PM EDT
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Ruger AR is Cheaper than a Mini-14-----Mini-14 is ok, my wife loves hers......Ill stick to an AR
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Posted: 4/7/2015 6:38:01 PM EDT
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"It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: http://i.imgur.com/5ZRURwP.jpg Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. http://i.imgur.com/oWd2gbr.jpg On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: http://i.imgur.com/lpJiZVU.jpg So I went back and fired for affect: http://i.imgur.com/Mn7FIFn.jpg Not too bad..I’m happy with it. http://i.imgur.com/R4p1VLj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TnGcMO3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a Mini-14. Quality magazines were scarce and expensive, and it couldn't hit a barn from the inside. "It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: http://i.imgur.com/5ZRURwP.jpg Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. http://i.imgur.com/oWd2gbr.jpg On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: http://i.imgur.com/lpJiZVU.jpg So I went back and fired for affect: http://i.imgur.com/Mn7FIFn.jpg Not too bad..I’m happy with it. http://i.imgur.com/R4p1VLj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TnGcMO3.jpg Thats cute, but accuracy is not the only reason an AR is better than a Mini. |
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Posted: 4/7/2015 6:53:28 PM EDT
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Thats cute, but accuracy is not the only reason an AR is better than a Mini. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a Mini-14. Quality magazines were scarce and expensive, and it couldn't hit a barn from the inside. "It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: http://i.imgur.com/5ZRURwP.jpg Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. http://i.imgur.com/oWd2gbr.jpg On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: http://i.imgur.com/lpJiZVU.jpg So I went back and fired for affect: http://i.imgur.com/Mn7FIFn.jpg Not too bad..I’m happy with it. http://i.imgur.com/R4p1VLj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TnGcMO3.jpg Thats cute, but accuracy is not the only reason an AR is better than a Mini. I never said the Mini was better then the AR in anyway Mr. Hater, Hell I have 5 AR's to 1 of my Mini's and I use a LE6933 for HD. But lets be honest, there is a lot of bias opinions about the mini here. |
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Posted: 4/7/2015 8:46:01 PM EDT
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I'm an AR guy 100% but that's a nice looking Mini you have |
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Posted: 4/7/2015 8:56:10 PM EDT
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wtwining I'm an AR guy 100% but that's a nice looking Mini you have Thanks, if you around northeast OH, I'll let you try it out.. |
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Posted: 4/7/2015 10:39:47 PM EDT
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wtwining I'm an AR guy 100% but that's a nice looking Mini you have Thanks, if you around northeast OH, I'll let you try it out.. Thanks for the offer 
Too bad I'm all the way on the opposite corner near Cinci |
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Posted: 4/9/2015 9:49:13 AM EDT
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"It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: http://i.imgur.com/5ZRURwP.jpg Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. http://i.imgur.com/oWd2gbr.jpg On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: http://i.imgur.com/lpJiZVU.jpg So I went back and fired for affect: http://i.imgur.com/Mn7FIFn.jpg Not too bad..I’m happy with it. http://i.imgur.com/R4p1VLj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TnGcMO3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a Mini-14. Quality magazines were scarce and expensive, and it couldn't hit a barn from the inside. "It" or "I"? http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/103066-range-day-heavy-pics.html I took my mini-14 out to the range today, little cool but nice fall day! Ammo was American Eagle M193, on stripper clips. The barrel is 14.5in 1/7 twist, and using iron sights. First target was about 1 foot squared, at a range of a little under 100m (according to my pace count), I started there to ensure I didn’t lose my zero. As you can see, with my first group, I needed to slow down my breathing, but the second group would have been perfect, if it wasn’t for the flyer: http://i.imgur.com/5ZRURwP.jpg Second target was set at 200 yards (range limit), the target was about 2 foot wide, 3 foot long box with blank paper taped to it, about the size of a human torso area. http://i.imgur.com/oWd2gbr.jpg On my first group at 200 yards, I had to bump my group down one click: http://i.imgur.com/lpJiZVU.jpg So I went back and fired for affect: http://i.imgur.com/Mn7FIFn.jpg Not too bad..I’m happy with it. http://i.imgur.com/R4p1VLj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TnGcMO3.jpg Love the look with that short barrel!! Did you do that yourself? Did you have to change the gas port any? Prob doesn't throw brass as far. |
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Posted: 4/9/2015 7:28:52 PM EDT
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Shortening the length of a pencil-barrel MIni has been a longstanding method of increasing accuracy. Unfortunately, doing so to the already short Mini barrel reduces the effective range of the firearm.
If one has a pencil barrel with a (former) user-damaged muzzle, then either re-crown the muzzle, or have it slightly counterbored by a gunsmith. In any event, install an AccuStrut, which will take a huge amount of barrel whip out of the equation. Install the barreled action into a tight-fiting syn stock, and you are GTG. OR, carefully bed your barreled action into your wooden stock. In a lot of ways, accurizing the Mini as far as the stock fit is like accurizing the M-14/M1A. Most savvy Mini owners buy a port kit with a number of different-sized gas ports included. Ruger originally supplied the Mini with a relatively HUGE gas port, which ensured VERY positive ejection, for reliability's sake. Also launched the brass into orbit. Most folks find that they can reduce the gas volume released by the replacable gas port. How small a gas port is up to the user, but I would caution against using the two smallest ports if cold weather ops are anticipated. Ammo is a bit less energetic in cold weather, so test your Mini with its new gas port kit in the coldest temps available. The advantage in using a smaller gas port is that the recoil is less violent, and that the brass is not ejected into the next county. Time-onto-target is reduced, and the rifle is not internally battered, not that this seems much of a problem. Once the user has replaced the gas port, and has the top and bottom clamps almost tight, the user will notice there is a fair amount of rotation about the axis of the barrel. Even things up so that the clamps are evenly spaced, side-to side, and they are an equal distance from the stock. Tighten the screws with uniform force. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 9:56:30 PM EDT
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Love the look with that short barrel!! Did you do that yourself? Did you have to change the gas port any? Prob doesn't throw brass as far. Thanks man, The rifle started life in the Ohio Department of Corrections. It was in sad shape when I got it. Its stainless steel and I couldn't believe how heavy the pitting and rust was around the gas system and operating rod. I have no idea of the round count but it was not cared for at all. I had Lee Hadaway do the barrel work (cut to 14.5 and perm the FH) and also the paint job, I did the sling swivel work and the stock. Other then the rear sight which I replaced with tech-sight, there was no other work done. I just got the rifle for a "trunk gun" not for anything "serious." Here is a link to Lee Hadaway: http://www.thearmsroom.com/ 
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Posted: 4/19/2015 5:17:29 AM EDT
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Hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a Mini 14 as a home defense weapon as well as a new ranch rifle. But my friends tell me to get an AR instead due to it being only $200-300 more the the Mini 14. What do you guys think? any suggestions? Mini 14 or an AR? I'm new to 5.56/223 caliber so I need some input If you're trying to save money get a S&W sport, buy an Impact Weapons Components light mount for A2 handguards and any LED surefire light. You'll spend about the same as a Mini and get a superior weapon fully equipped for home defense. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 11:39:28 AM EDT
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Hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a Mini 14 as a home defense weapon as well as a new ranch rifle. But my friends tell me to get an AR instead due to it being only $200-300 more the the Mini 14. What do you guys think? any suggestions? Mini 14 or an AR? I'm new to 5.56/223 caliber so I need some input AR-15. The Mini-14 offers no advantage in any category and is inferior in many ways, and it costs about the same as an AR. So unless you want one just because you like the design (which is completely legit IMO) then get an AR. I had one for a while, tried to like it, tried to make it work for me. But it's not an AR and it never will be. It's more like a refined AK. It will do well in the same roles you'd use an AK for and have about the same accuracy. For this reason, I've always thought the Mini platform was at its very best in the 7.62x39 flavor rather than the 5.56x45 flavor. The Mini-14 does nothing that an AR doesn't do better for the same money. However, the Mini-30 gives you a lightweight, fast handling, reliable 7.62x39 semi auto that you can easily mount optics to. AKs have issues with optics mounting and aren't all that fast handling (to me). A 7.62x39 AR is fast handling and has easy optics mounting options, but they're expensive, usually unreliable, and are notorious for eating bolts. The Mini-30 gives you the best of both with fewer of the downsides. Accuracy isn't generally an issue since the cheap steel case x39 isn't accurate ammo anyway. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 3:17:57 PM EDT
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A Mini-14 was my very first firearm. I still have it, but I don't really shoot it at all.
It's a well-built, reliable rifle with horrible factory sights and mediocre accuracy. Mounting optics is also more expensive because you have to buy "something" (you have lots of options) to get you a rail of some type. They're decent rifles - but they don't do anything an el-cheapo AR15 won't to just as well (or better) and with more flexibility. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 4:17:12 PM EDT
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A Mini-14 was my very first firearm. I still have it, but I don't really shoot it at all. It's a well-built, reliable rifle with horrible factory sights and mediocre accuracy. Mounting optics is also more expensive because you have to buy "something" (you have lots of options) to get you a rail of some type. They're decent rifles - but they don't do anything an el-cheapo AR15 won't to just as well (or better) and with more flexibility. The new models come with a top rail, better sights, and a better barrel. 
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