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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:06:19 PM EDT
I have had pictures of my scout Mosin in this forum many times. This time is a little different. I have wanted to reshape and lighten up the stock for a long time now. I posted a thread about it many months ago. Honestly I was really worried about screwing it up so bad I would need a new one, so that kind of made me hesitate quite a bit on the project. I work in the wood working industry, but I am not a craftsman at all.
I have no desire to modify any of the stocks on my standard Mosins. This is just for my scout that has already been heavily modified. No need to get upset. I am just looking for opinions. This stock is about 1/4" thinner side to side over the whole length and even more than that in the butt stock itself. I am not worried about it breaking because this scout has very little recoil with the brake I made for it. The area on the bottom of the stock around the trigger guard/magazine is about 1/8" thinner as well. The trigger guard was inletted well inside the stock and now the inside of the trigger guard is even with the wood. I put a larger radius around the trigger guard as well so your finger more naturally curves around the stock to get into the trigger guard. The wrist drop on top gives a much more pronounced place for my thumb to sit. The wrist is a lot smaller and thinner. The wrist swells as it leads up to the top opening of the stock, but not where you hand rests. I am not concerned about the dark spots. They go all the way through the wood around the forend. They don't bother me at all. The finger grooves are very shallow now. Again, it really doesn't matter. I am going to buy a small can of Sedona Red for it tomorrow. I haven't decided what finish I am going to use on it. I like boiled linseed oil, but I might try tung oil instead. 
Honest opinions welcome. If you would remove more wood on some part of the stock I would love to hear ideas. I want it as light as I can without sacrificing too much strength. If my scout ends up under 8 lbs after this I would be happy. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:19:54 AM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:15:41 AM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? Not quite sure what you mean? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:47:42 AM EDT
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Can you shorten it to where the barrel band is? Is there enough of a bedding in the stock to hold the action without it?
I haven't looked at my MN in a while. Can't remember. Doc |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:29:37 AM EDT
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Can you shorten it to where the barrel band is? Is there enough of a bedding in the stock to hold the action without it? I haven't looked at my MN in a while. Can't remember. Doc My scout is free floated. I really don't like the look with the stock cut to the barrel band. It just looks too short to me. I really felt that it looked better with it a bit longer. I left it longer on my wife's Scout as well. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:42:03 PM EDT
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Having a hard time finding Sedona Red locally. Kind of wanted to get this thing stained so I could start the boiled linseed oil.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:26:24 PM EDT
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6 stores to find Sedona red! It will have the mosin color again with a sleeker stock.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:11:51 PM EDT
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I've used transtint to get russian red before.... http://homesteadfinishingproducts.com/transtint-liquid-dyes/ |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:00:22 PM EDT
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I have the first coat of stain on the stock. I have another hour before I can put my second coat on it. Probably do 3 or 4 to get the color right.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:12:45 PM EDT
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Here are 2 of my ground up rebuilds
Just the bottom gun 
and here is what it looked like before I started, a turd 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:18:34 PM EDT
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Here are 2 of my ground up rebuilds <a href="http://s162.photobucket.com/user/splogan21/media/IMG_1416_zps5bd70fe4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/splogan21/IMG_1416_zps5bd70fe4.jpg</a> Just the bottom gun <a href="http://s162.photobucket.com/user/splogan21/media/100_0980.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/splogan21/100_0980.jpg</a> and here is what it looked like before I started, a turd <a href="http://s162.photobucket.com/user/splogan21/media/Picture002.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/splogan21/Picture002.jpg</a> Nice job! I was trying to avoid a new stock and get the better feel of a more ergonomic stock. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:21:40 PM EDT
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Two coats of stain. It looks like I will need at least two more to get the color right. Not looking bad though. I want it to have rich color before I start the BLO. It seems to need about 15 minutes to get the penetration before wiping. Just too much cosmoline still in the stock I think. Minwax sucks anyway.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:47:40 AM EDT
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3rd coat this morning! Still deciding on the finish.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:21:36 AM EDT
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I'm starting to lean toward the more traditional amber shellac. I've got the color right. I think the hint of yellow will really work well.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:22:20 PM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? Not quite sure what you mean? On the forearm there's a groove on each side, replicate that on the stock. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:38:26 PM EDT
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Two coats of stain. It looks like I will need at least two more to get the color right. Not looking bad though. I want it to have rich color before I start the BLO. It seems to need about 15 minutes to get the penetration before wiping. Just too much cosmoline still in the stock I think. Minwax sucks anyway. <a href="http://s75.photobucket.com/user/batmanacw/media/firearms/20140917_215548_zps6fhylssj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20140917_215548_zps6fhylssj.jpg</a> I've used Red Oak on my 2 most used Mosins. I know it is not standard, but I LOVE the look 
7.62x54R... Because sometimes people like to hide behind things 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:07:54 PM EDT
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I've used Red Oak on my 2 most used Mosins. I know it is not standard, but I LOVE the look http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/ourichie1/A5687DEF-2DE2-4E65-B1B4-5F2F13C1F0F3_zpsrbbvhvkf.jpg 7.62x54R... Because sometimes people like to hide behind things http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/ourichie1/A1597980-98DC-40F6-9773-6861123CEBB8_zpsc2ykep7n.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Two coats of stain. It looks like I will need at least two more to get the color right. Not looking bad though. I want it to have rich color before I start the BLO. It seems to need about 15 minutes to get the penetration before wiping. Just too much cosmoline still in the stock I think. Minwax sucks anyway. <a href="http://s75.photobucket.com/user/batmanacw/media/firearms/20140917_215548_zps6fhylssj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20140917_215548_zps6fhylssj.jpg</a> I've used Red Oak on my 2 most used Mosins. I know it is not standard, but I LOVE the look http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/ourichie1/A5687DEF-2DE2-4E65-B1B4-5F2F13C1F0F3_zpsrbbvhvkf.jpg 7.62x54R... Because sometimes people like to hide behind things http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/ourichie1/A1597980-98DC-40F6-9773-6861123CEBB8_zpsc2ykep7n.jpg I think I used gunstock stain the last time. It was a nice brown but I was not completely satisfied. I have the 4th coat of stain soaking in now. I hope to start the amber shellac tomorrow afternoon. I picked it up a short time ago. I am really liking the red. The shellac might be just the thing to really make the color become alive. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:01:08 AM EDT
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The color is perfect. Pictures and first coats of shellac later.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:33:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:09:41 AM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? I don't think a finger groove in the stock is useful. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:19:57 PM EDT
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The stock is looking awesome! I'll be putting a third coat on it in a couple hours. I think once it's done I am going to go over it with a gray scotch brite to take the shine off. I like the matte finish rather than a bright shine. I may do up to four coats before I'm happy with it
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Posted: 9/20/2014 4:53:15 PM EDT
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The stock is looking awesome! I'll be putting a third coat on it in a couple hours. I think once it's done I am going to go over it with a gray scotch brite to take the shine off. I like the matte finish rather than a bright shine. I may do up to four coats before I'm happy with it Brushing on shellac sucks. I have a couple spots where the stain is light because I sanded too aggressively on brush marks. Next time I am going to put on a few coats before i do more than barely scuff the surface. It is still looking killer. I will have the last coat on tonight. A very light touch with gray non woven abrasive will get rid of the mild shine and it will look excellent. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 5:07:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:31:11 PM EDT
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Very nice
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:00:16 AM EDT
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I used a maroon and gray scotch brite to dull the shellac shine. It is not finished yet but it has to wait until next weekend. I like how it looks.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:51:35 PM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? I don't think a finger groove in the stock is useful. What if I called it the AK74 stock groove? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:32:53 PM EDT
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Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? I don't think a finger groove in the stock is useful. What if I called it the AK74 stock groove? Uh okay. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh okay. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe put a groove on each side of the rear of the stock like the ones in the front? I don't think a finger groove in the stock is useful. What if I called it the AK74 stock groove? Uh okay. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:32:30 PM EDT
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He's talking about grooves like this. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608039731573950027&w=304&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Oh, okay. What is the purpose of those grooves? |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 10:33:27 AM EDT
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He's talking about grooves like this. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608039731573950027&w=304&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Oh, okay. What is the purpose of those grooves? I assume to reduce weight. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 3:14:19 PM EDT
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He's talking about grooves like this. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608039731573950027&w=304&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Oh, okay. What is the purpose of those grooves? It was to reduce weight and it was a visual indicator to help differentiate the AK74 from the 47 |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 7:09:52 PM EDT
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He's talking about grooves like this. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608039731573950027&w=304&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0 Oh, okay. What is the purpose of those grooves? It was to reduce weight and it was a visual indicator to help differentiate the AK74 from the 47 The closest I can calculate for birch is that those grooves will remove 0.19 ounces. I figured I sanded away about 12 oz. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 8:23:25 AM EDT
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What kind of strength issues will develop if you groove the stock?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:06:48 AM EDT
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What kind of strength issues will develop if you groove the stock? I don't know but I hollowed out the back 8" off my stock years ago to drop weight. It's still plenty thick. This mosin has very little recoil. |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 11:09:45 AM EDT
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I wasn't happy with a few defects in my stock so I just re sanded it and started staining again. I'll have time to finish it by tomorrow.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:54:35 PM EDT
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Drying slow in the humidity and cool temps.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:31:42 PM EDT
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The finish is still green in a few spots. I put a heater on it to keep it warm in the front room. I'm hoping it will harden up a bit over night. Just a few spots the finish was a bit too thick to cure normally. Hopefully it will be okay.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 11:13:25 PM EDT
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Looks like shellac can take up to a couple days to fully cure.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:00:02 PM EDT
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This is the finished project! I really love how it came out. The color is awesome!
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:55:00 PM EDT
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Nice rifle. What scope do you have on it?
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:00:51 PM EDT
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Nice rifle. What scope do you have on it? Ultra dot. It's the only mid priced red dot with small clicks. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:26:31 PM EDT
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I've always loved this rifle
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:36:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 6:36:36 PM EDT
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M91-30 w/ barrel cut to 23 inches and a Finn M39 front sight fitted.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 6:58:27 PM EDT
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M91-30 w/ barrel cut to 23 inches and a Finn M39 front sight fitted. <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg</a> <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg</a> I have to say that I like it. The stock looks better short with that notch in it. I really don't usually care for the stock that short. I think my ideal length for a hunting Mosin would be in the 20" barrel length range. How did you come up with the barrel length? How much does it weigh? Where did you find a Finn front sight to mount on it? I would probably just find a dove tail cutter to remount the original front sight if I couldn't find a Finn sight. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:05:44 PM EDT
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I have to say that I like it. The stock looks better short with that notch in it. I really don't usually care for the stock that short. I think my ideal length for a hunting Mosin would be in the 20" barrel length range. How did you come up with the barrel length? How much does it weigh? Where did you find a Finn front sight to mount on it? I would probably just find a dove tail cutter to remount the original front sight if I couldn't find a Finn sight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M91-30 w/ barrel cut to 23 inches and a Finn M39 front sight fitted. <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg</a> <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg</a> I have to say that I like it. The stock looks better short with that notch in it. I really don't usually care for the stock that short. I think my ideal length for a hunting Mosin would be in the 20" barrel length range. How did you come up with the barrel length? How much does it weigh? Where did you find a Finn front sight to mount on it? I would probably just find a dove tail cutter to remount the original front sight if I couldn't find a Finn sight. Not sure about the weight. I'll have to weigh it. I think I did and it went 7 lbs but I forget. I cut the Schnabel forestock tip to give it a little something extra over a blunt cut tip. Then added under and side swivel studs as I will carry the rifle double-slung Biathlon style when bear hunting and skiing. As for barrel length I hacksawed off the front 2 inches or so and then slid the M39 front sight down to where it stopped and cut the barrel off there. Handles very nicely. Worked out to 23 inches on the dot. I used a hand cutter to cut a new muzzle and crown on it. Trigger has been replace with a M39 2-stage trigger, also. Burned our brand into it with a soldering iron. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:09:46 PM EDT
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Not sure about the weight. I'll have to weigh it. I think I did and it went 7 lbs but I forget. I cut the Schnabel forestock tip to give it a little something extra over a blunt cut tip. Then added under and side swivel studs as I will carry the rifle double-slung Biathlon style when bear hunting and skiing. As for barrel length I hacksawed off the front 2 inches or so and then slid the M39 front sight down to where it stopped and cut the barrel off there. Handles very nicely. Worked out to 23 inches on the dot. I used a hand cutter to cut a new muzzle and crown on it. Trigger has been replace with a M39 2-stage trigger, also. Burned our brand into it with a soldering iron. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M91-30 w/ barrel cut to 23 inches and a Finn M39 front sight fitted. <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg</a> <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg</a> I have to say that I like it. The stock looks better short with that notch in it. I really don't usually care for the stock that short. I think my ideal length for a hunting Mosin would be in the 20" barrel length range. How did you come up with the barrel length? How much does it weigh? Where did you find a Finn front sight to mount on it? I would probably just find a dove tail cutter to remount the original front sight if I couldn't find a Finn sight. Not sure about the weight. I'll have to weigh it. I think I did and it went 7 lbs but I forget. I cut the Schnabel forestock tip to give it a little something extra over a blunt cut tip. Then added under and side swivel studs as I will carry the rifle double-slung Biathlon style when bear hunting and skiing. As for barrel length I hacksawed off the front 2 inches or so and then slid the M39 front sight down to where it stopped and cut the barrel off there. Handles very nicely. Worked out to 23 inches on the dot. I used a hand cutter to cut a new muzzle and crown on it. Trigger has been replace with a M39 2-stage trigger, also. Burned our brand into it with a soldering iron. I like it. Where did you get the M39 sight? I could easily turn the barrel down to fit it at 20". I think I would like to find a bubba'd mosin to try and make a very light weight, open sight general purpose rifle. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:52:31 PM EDT
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M91-30 w/ barrel cut to 23 inches and a Finn M39 front sight fitted. <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter1_zps82f3ec19.jpg</a> <a href="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Skaapskieter/media/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/Skaapskieter/Mosin-NagantGroups/MosinSporter2_zps5dd57f6d.jpg</a> I have to say that I like it. The stock looks better short with that notch in it. I really don't usually care for the stock that short. I think my ideal length for a hunting Mosin would be in the 20" barrel length range. How did you come up with the barrel length? How much does it weigh? Where did you find a Finn front sight to mount on it? I would probably just find a dove tail cutter to remount the original front sight if I couldn't find a Finn sight. Not sure about the weight. I'll have to weigh it. I think I did and it went 7 lbs but I forget. I cut the Schnabel forestock tip to give it a little something extra over a blunt cut tip. Then added under and side swivel studs as I will carry the rifle double-slung Biathlon style when bear hunting and skiing. As for barrel length I hacksawed off the front 2 inches or so and then slid the M39 front sight down to where it stopped and cut the barrel off there. Handles very nicely. Worked out to 23 inches on the dot. I used a hand cutter to cut a new muzzle and crown on it. Trigger has been replace with a M39 2-stage trigger, also. Burned our brand into it with a soldering iron. I like it. Where did you get the M39 sight? I could easily turn the barrel down to fit it at 20". I think I would like to find a bubba'd mosin to try and make a very light weight, open sight general purpose rifle. Not sure where I got the sight. I used to have a collection of Finn rifles and they are heavy. The 91-30 is better as a base for a hunting rifle. Here's one of my bear. Shot with M39; 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:05:10 PM EDT
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I guess I could just make one. It wouldn't be hard and I could use an AR sight so I could turn it up or down to sight in the elevation very accurately.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:37:46 PM EDT
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I guess I could just make one. It wouldn't be hard and I could use an AR sight so I could turn it up or down to sight in the elevation very accurately. Sounds like a great idea. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:12:04 PM EDT
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I guess I could just make one. It wouldn't be hard and I could use an AR sight so I could turn it up or down to sight in the elevation very accurately. Sounds like a great idea. I'll measure up the original sight so I can build one with a few minutes higher and lower elevation. |
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