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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:15:02 PM EDT
http://www.kygunco.com/citadel-m-1-9mm-carbine-wood-stock-10-rd-78938
At around $550 it is a bit steep I think. Cool idea though, fills the gap left with the Ruger PC9 Takes Beretta 92 mags. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/04/25/citadel-m1-carbine-9mm/ 
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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:23:28 PM EDT
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I plan on buying one. Big fan of the m1 carbine and berettas so it's a match made in heaven for me.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:52:21 PM EDT
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They need to make a sleeve that goes over the Beretta 92 mag to make it look more carbine-ish.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:15:46 PM EDT
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I could easily be talked into picking up a copy.
Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:20:17 PM EDT
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock?
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:32:37 PM EDT
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If I did not already have a POF 5 I would be all over this!
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Posted: 9/15/2014 5:34:23 PM EDT
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock? Made in Italy. I don't know if Citadel is part of the Beretta consortium but it wouldn't surprise me if they are. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 5:38:56 PM EDT
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Make one in .45 ACP, and they will REALLY have my interest.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 6:11:40 PM EDT
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They need to loose the bayonet lug for ban states.
Glock mags would have been better, but 92Fs mags are pretty common. Maybe they were thinking about the popularity of the CX4 Storm. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 7:56:58 PM EDT
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Made in Italy. I don't know if Citadel is part of the Beretta consortium but it wouldn't surprise me if they are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock? Made in Italy. I don't know if Citadel is part of the Beretta consortium but it wouldn't surprise me if they are. That makes sense |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 7:59:58 PM EDT
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Hopefully, these will have a better track record than I've heard the 22LR versions do...
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Posted: 9/15/2014 8:11:58 PM EDT
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The magazine catch hole in the 92 magazine is about 3/4" lower than the Glock. So that might be a factor. Also the steel body of the 92 magazine means you can use a steel catch and not have to worry about damaging the magazine.
A better idea would have been to make the magazine well an interchangeable part. That way they could sell alternate magazine wells. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 8:48:40 PM EDT
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock? Made in Italy. I don't know if Citadel is part of the Beretta consortium but it wouldn't surprise me if they are. That makes sense Is Citadel an import brand or a manufacturer? Citadel 1911s are made by RIA with different slide serrations and roll marks. Are the .22lr M-1s made in PI? |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 8:50:52 PM EDT
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Make one in .45 ACP, and they will REALLY have my interest. Agreed, especially if they could use grease gun mags. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:56:21 PM EDT
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They need to make a sleeve that goes over the Beretta 92 mag to make it look more carbine-ish. Man, if only there was someone was really good at machining and making things
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:06:38 PM EDT
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Anyone know if this is blowback or actually gas operated?
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:38:49 PM EDT
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It's Connecticut legal and I happen to have a legal 15 rounder for it- I'll probably end up buying one, eventually
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:39:43 PM EDT
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock? Made in Italy. I don't know if Citadel is part of the Beretta consortium but it wouldn't surprise me if they are. That makes sense Is Citadel an import brand or a manufacturer? Citadel 1911s are made by RIA with different slide serrations and roll marks. Are the .22lr M-1s made in PI? They also sell a line of Italian, Chiappa made firearms. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:02:33 PM EDT
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Anyone know if this is blowback or actually gas operated? Blowback |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Anyone know if this is blowback or actually gas operated? Blowback Does it seem like they are using the mass of the bolt and the "operating rod" to get enough mass for the blowback? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:43:51 PM EDT
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Can they make one that uses UZI magazines?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:21:22 AM EDT
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I'd be interested if it took Colt SMG mags or Uzi.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:40:37 AM EDT
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I'd be interested to know if a repro "Paratrooper Stock" could be modified to fit. I have one sitting around somewhere.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 7:01:09 PM EDT
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I am going to be honest here.
I want one of these. It fills a gap in my gun collection. I have several Beretta 92 extra mags too. I have one of their M-1 carbines in 22 LR and it functions fine. Why don't a few of you brave souls step forward and buy an early one and see if it has any glitches. Then, if you say it is GTG, I will buy one after you have smoke tested it. 
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:47:37 AM EDT
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Color me interested. Beretta mags are fine, as you can get them at most surplus stores
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Posted: 9/21/2014 12:30:50 AM EDT
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Make one in .45 ACP, and they will REALLY have my interest. And take 1911 mags. Still, there are plenty of surplus Beretta mags floating around. Cool idea. Maybe even make a moddable magwell that can be retrofitted to take different mags. Sig/Ruger/CZ/Taurus/etc. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:07:50 AM EDT
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$550 is way too high for a PCC but I'd be all over one at $350-400. ETA- The bayonet lug is synthetic? I'd bet they produce a version without it for ban states. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:20:58 PM EDT
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I am really interested in this PCC. I love the my Beretta 92s and have have a ton mags for them.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:57:48 PM EDT
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If they were to make a version that took Glock magazines and cost $100 less they could make a dent in Keltec's Sub 2000 sales. Especially if they could, you know produce enough of them to meet demand.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:00:55 PM EDT
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Page 2 $550 is way too high for a PCC but I'd be all over one at $350-400. ETA- The bayonet lug is synthetic? I'd bet they produce a version without it for ban states. EXACTLY. As I posted earlier, I want one but,as with any new gun on the market, the first selling price will be way too high as these are priced for the "I just gotta have it right now" buyers. I will wait six months or so. The price will start to drift down on these just like it did on their Citadel m-1 carbines in .22 LR which are almost a hundred dollars cheaper on sale now than when they first were introduced. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:59:55 PM EDT
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If they were to make a version that took Glock magazines and cost $100 less they could make a dent in Keltec's Sub 2000 sales. Especially if they could, you know produce enough of them to meet demand. LOL, if I had a dime for every time a pistol caliber carbine came with one type of handgun mag, and someone posted it should come with a different type of handgun mag and would sell better... 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:47:55 PM EDT
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Tagging this.
I'm interested but I'd like to know how they run. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:51:06 PM EDT
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LOL, if I had a dime for every time a pistol caliber carbine came with one type of handgun mag, and someone posted it should come with a different type of handgun mag and would sell better... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they were to make a version that took Glock magazines and cost $100 less they could make a dent in Keltec's Sub 2000 sales. Especially if they could, you know produce enough of them to meet demand. LOL, if I had a dime for every time a pistol caliber carbine came with one type of handgun mag, and someone posted it should come with a different type of handgun mag and would sell better... While Beretta mags are not uncommon, Glock magazines would have been a better choice. As some one pointed out, maybe it has to do with the manufacturer being affiliated with Beretta or Glock magazines not being compatible with a metal mag catch,. Uzi mags would really be sweet. 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:17:55 PM EDT
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Might be a fun plinker if it works right.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:42:27 PM EDT
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Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...?
Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:48:33 PM EDT
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$550 might sound steep but when you compare whats out there its truly not a bad price. Sure the Sub2K is less but when do you see them. Not being a glock mag doesn't bother me specially if there is another panic because you could still find Beretta Mags (at least in El Paso when I was living there). This might tempt Beretta(Mec-Gar) into making a slightly higher cap magazine in the 25 Round arena
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:16:44 PM EDT
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I wonder if the carbine stocks they use are proprietary or actually are interchangeable with actual M1 carbine stocks - a 9mm M1 folding paratrooper stocked carbine would be cool!
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:49:48 PM EDT
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I wonder if the carbine stocks they use are proprietary or actually are interchangeable with actual M1 carbine stocks - a 9mm M1 folding paratrooper stocked carbine would be cool! Depending on the reliability of these little carbines, that idea sounds like yet another Manticore Arms project.... After the Renegade Fore Arms for other versions of the AK of course.... |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:58:49 PM EDT
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Depending on the reliability of these little carbines, that idea sounds like yet another Manticore Arms project.... After the Renegade Fore Arms for other versions of the AK of course.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if the carbine stocks they use are proprietary or actually are interchangeable with actual M1 carbine stocks - a 9mm M1 folding paratrooper stocked carbine would be cool! Depending on the reliability of these little carbines, that idea sounds like yet another Manticore Arms project.... After the Renegade Fore Arms for other versions of the AK of course.... Not sure if we will touch a Citadel product just yet
Plus, with the current log of products we are launching in the next few months and working on after that, It might be sometime in the next century before we could get to it!
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...? Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. I don't. <----- Hates Glocks. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 9:10:28 AM EDT
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Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...? Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. I don't. <----- Hates Glocks. LOLz. I did say "often".... |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 9:29:14 AM EDT
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Interested. Wonder why Beretta mags, not glock? Perhaps the aftermarket will fill that void. If this turns out not to to be a huge steaming pile of donkey shit (and I have my doubts about citadel), and the aftermarket provides the pieces to use glock mags, I would be all over this thing like a fat girl on a twinkie! |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 9:36:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...? Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. I don't. <----- Hates Glocks. LOLz. I did say "often".... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5579856128/h6B40445F/ |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 10:45:09 AM EDT
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Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...? Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. I don't. <----- Hates Glocks. LOLz. I did say "often".... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5579856128/h6B40445F/ |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 9:24:32 PM EDT
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Question. Which handgun and magazine is more common among SD crowd? I am only answering from my own perspective, but it would appear Glock is more common...? Even Glock haters often own a Glock 9mm. I don't. <----- Hates Glocks. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 2:50:14 AM EDT
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I second the Uzi mag comment, at least they would stick out straight and not look as dumb then.
Not going to buy, but interested to see what the first reviews say. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 9:24:48 PM EDT
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Intrigued. I have some Beretta mags, including a 20 that would look great in that.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 2:28:43 AM EDT
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And take 1911 mags. Still, there are plenty of surplus Beretta mags floating around. Cool idea. Maybe even make a moddable magwell that can be retrofitted to take different mags. Sig/Ruger/CZ/Taurus/etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make one in .45 ACP, and they will REALLY have my interest. And take 1911 mags. Still, there are plenty of surplus Beretta mags floating around. Cool idea. Maybe even make a moddable magwell that can be retrofitted to take different mags. Sig/Ruger/CZ/Taurus/etc. NO! I do NOT want a 7 to 10 shot pistol caliber carbine! 
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