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Posted: 9/5/2014 4:47:14 AM EDT
[#1]
My Scar 17 with ACOG
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Posted: 9/5/2014 5:53:48 AM EDT
[#2]
My AR with out glass, iron sights only.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 6:20:19 AM EDT
[#3]
AR15, this is ARFCOM right??
JK, due to the M4 being my issued weapon that is what I would choose. Max |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 6:41:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Mini-14 with banana clips.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 6:48:58 AM EDT
[#5]
Since we're just dreaming anyway, I'll take mini-gun for 1,000 Alex
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Posted: 9/5/2014 6:52:43 AM EDT
[#6]
My AR carbine with a 1-4 optic
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:31:14 AM EDT
[#7]
AR w/ red dot.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:47:08 AM EDT
[#8]
what ever one is right next to me
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:15:52 AM EDT
[#9]
Either my CQBR w/exps-3 or m4a1 Block 2 w/acog. or my hybrid cqbr block 2 inspired 12.5" 308
Fuck it- i'll take em all. 
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:24:52 AM EDT
[#10]
AR with 1-6 or similar type optic and BUIS.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:23:49 AM EDT
[#11]
My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide.
Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: 
It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:25:22 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My AR with out glass, iron sights only. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:27:46 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide. Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/4b39738c.jpg It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:42:38 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide. Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/4b39738c.jpg It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:47:47 AM EDT
[#15]
Really depends on the scenario. If I am walking someplace, I would take my M4gry with an ACOG. Can carry a fair amount of ammo and light.
If I have a vehicle, I want a .308, M1A Scout. If I am dug in, an HK-91 with bipod and bags of loaded magazines. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 12:30:47 PM EDT
[#16]
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Really depends on the scenario. If I am walking someplace, I would take my M4gry with an ACOG. Can carry a fair amount of ammo and light. If I have a vehicle, I want a .308, M1A Scout. If I am dug in, an HK-91 with bipod and bags of loaded magazines. Yes it does. Walking: my Daewoo AR100/K2 or Norinco AK47 Vehicle: Norinco AK47, or CQB-16 in a Blackfeather RS Dug in: CQB-16 in a Blackfeather RS, or Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 2:28:15 PM EDT
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If I had infinite money I'd take a 14.5" SCAR-H with an ELCAN SpectreDR, a PS22, and a nice can. I'm on record as saying that if We The People ever wanted to truly fulfill the spirit of the Second Amendment, that we'd to-the-man have SCAR 17's. But whatever. I don't have infinite money.
So, barring infinite money I ain't got, I feel like in the event of SHTF (and this could be an earthquake or civil unrest or plague or alien invasion or just full-on OCP) my most likely engagements are going to be within 200 meters. Why? I'm not fighting a war, I'm not engaging baddies from mountaintops. I'm laying low, scavenging for supplies, and likely surprising my potential enemies as much as they surprise me. That means, short, light, quiet. So I've been working on building this in 300BLK. Excuse the wire stock, that's been replaced IRL with a LWRCi ultra compact, and gunstruction's limitations prevent displaying that. (Similarly, the link is in 5.56, limited number of parts in Gunstruction). I have (or am getting) enough 300BLK, both supers and subs, to finish any engagement I'm likely to encounter, and I've gotten this far with the build:  (waiting on stamps sucks.) I'm also in the process of a simpler 5.56 upper, to fill a similar purpose given such a scenario. I just have always felt like anyone who thinks they're gonna be sniping bandits from the snipers nest in their attic, or humping some 10 pound chassis'd M14 down a railroad track hasn't really thought very hard about what's likely to happen. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 2:41:46 PM EDT
[#18]
My 16" AR10T
WIth glass. TXL |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:09:46 PM EDT
[#19]
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AR with 1-6 or similar type optic and BUIS. This. Just add a lightweight can and a bunch of mags/ammo. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:15:04 PM EDT
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Lately I have been drooling over precision rifles that can hit targets 600 yards away. I used to think ARs with red dots were the way to go, but in SHTF end of the world situation I would prefer not to get in a gun fight at all, but if I did I'd wanna be at least 300 yards away. I am thinking about bulding a precision .308 bolt gun, but also might just scope my AR15 or of course do both. So what rifle do you guys prefer for SHTF? So you would carry both? Or just tell the people trying to kill you to let you get farther away? 14.5 with acog 
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My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide. Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/4b39738c.jpg It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. Its called backup sights grandpa...  If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks.... 
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:52:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would carry both? Or just tell the people trying to kill you to let you get farther away? 14.5 with acog http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMAG0454_zpsc9ba3cad.jpg Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lately I have been drooling over precision rifles that can hit targets 600 yards away. I used to think ARs with red dots were the way to go, but in SHTF end of the world situation I would prefer not to get in a gun fight at all, but if I did I'd wanna be at least 300 yards away. I am thinking about bulding a precision .308 bolt gun, but also might just scope my AR15 or of course do both. So what rifle do you guys prefer for SHTF? So you would carry both? Or just tell the people trying to kill you to let you get farther away? 14.5 with acog http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/IMAG0454_zpsc9ba3cad.jpg Quoted: My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide. Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/4b39738c.jpg It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks.... |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:52:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Precision rifle would be cool if you were a camouflage expert and you could dictate your engagements all the time. Seems too risky though that you would be caught in a wooded area or in an urban environment up close and stuck with only your sidearm.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:56:44 PM EDT
[#23]
"Other."
SIG 556 with irons. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 4:25:55 PM EDT
[#24]
None of the above. A shotgun. You can use it for hunting.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 5:09:24 PM EDT
[#25]
AR with RDS.
Wouldn't feel bad with an AK with RDS also. A close second. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:49:47 PM EDT
[#26]
probably my light weight carbine with .600" barrel and 1.5x16, which is a back up to my 3 gun rifle...
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:53:59 PM EDT
[#27]
10.3" - 12.5" AR with a 1-4x or a RDS. Mini can and weaponlight + dbal
This is what I've got right now 
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:07:05 PM EDT
[#28]
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Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks…. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:50:15 PM EDT
[#29]
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It's a nice thought - one held by many shooters I've beaten in tactical rifle matches over the years while using a a carry handle sighted AR-15. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks…. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. I guess that does it then. No need for all these fancy optics, back to the carry handles for all of us. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:11:57 PM EDT
[#30]
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It's a nice thought - one held by many shooters I've beaten in tactical rifle matches over the years while using a a carry handle sighted AR-15. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks…. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. Irons suck at night or low light, period. I will keep my Aimpoints. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:13:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My AR carbine with a 1-4 optic  |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:49:25 PM EDT
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I guess that does it then. No need for all these fancy optics, back to the carry handles for all of us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks…. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. I guess that does it then. No need for all these fancy optics, back to the carry handles for all of us. I love using irons and they are my favorite sight to use but if my life depends on it I would take my T-1. No way irons are faster or superior in any way other than precision in optimum light conditions. Also I think I could break the irons on my AR or Scar easier than my T-1. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:00:42 PM EDT
[#33]
AR with glass.
Long range sniping at people you don't know are friend or foe seems like a sketchy plan. Being able to seems like a good skill to have. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:20:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Other. AK and Rakurs 1x sight (no batteries).
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:22:12 PM EDT
[#35]
AR15 w/ an Aimpoint along with an ACOG both in QD mounts.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:33:18 PM EDT
[#36]
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Lately I have been drooling over precision rifles that can hit targets 600 yards away. I used to think ARs with red dots were the way to go, but in SHTF end of the world situation I would prefer not to get in a gun fight at all, but if I did I'd wanna be at least 300 yards away. I am thinking about bulding a precision .308 bolt gun, but also might just scope my AR15 or of course do both. So what rifle do you guys prefer for SHTF? A regular AR will get you to 600 with the right ammo if you know what you're doing. The precision rifle does it more easily, more consistently, and generally has an optic that allows you to find the target better. People tend to try being invisible when you want to shoot at them.
Don't forget that you can use QD mounts to swap optics. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 11:37:02 PM EDT
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It's a nice thought - one held by many shooters I've beaten in tactical rifle matches over the years while using a a carry handle sighted AR-15. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its called backup sights grandpa... If my optic breaks i flip my sights up... You are going to shoot better and faster with a optic before it breaks…. Sure, if you have a flat top with an optic then a BUIS is a great idea, but many of them are really crappy and do nothing for the accuracy potential of the rifle. And unless they are co-witnessed, you are going to lose valuable time when you realize your optic just went tits up, and all to often that realization comes only when you notice you are shooting several feet off your intended point of aim. --- At social shooting distances, an optic won't increase speed or accuracy over a carry handle sight, which functions quite well as a both eyes open gutter sight, and at long range, an unmagnified optic won't help you see the target any better, and if you can't see it, you can't hit it. The dark is where a RDS shines. DD blew up and dropped a T1 from a helicopter so I think they are reliable enough for me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:27:16 AM EDT
[#38]
AR with red dot if I am on the move. Precision bolt gun if I am bugged in.
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:31:49 AM EDT
[#39]
11.5" AR with either my EoTech or my 3X ACOG.
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Posted: 9/6/2014 1:14:07 AM EDT
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None of the above. A shotgun. You can use it for hunting. For end of the world survival, there is nothing better. PERIOD. Everything from small birdshot to upland game, waterfowl, deer, buckshot and slugs for personal defense, all in one gun. Next best is a .22LR. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 3:08:03 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AR with red dot if I am on the move. Precision bolt gun if I am bugged in. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 3:29:45 AM EDT
[#42]
AR with red dot.
But, I often flip flop between my ak (m92), 10.5 ar (rds), and my 16" with a 1-6x I always go back to my 10.5. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 4:25:52 AM EDT
[#43]
My suppressed 11.5" SBR AR15 in 5.56 with a 1-6x swfa SS optic.
Or my suppressed 10.2" 300 blackout AR15 with 1-6x swfa SS. Or my integrally suppressed 10/22 takedown with 1-4x leupold. I don't like the idea of red dots for SHTF. What happens when the battery runs out. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 8:55:11 AM EDT
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Other. AK and Rakurs 1x sight (no batteries). The rakurs is 3x, but a great choice. And it will be easier to find have batteriesvthen bullets in shtf if you run a micro. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 2:09:39 PM EDT
[#45]
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My preference is a lightweight AR-15 - but with iron sights, an option you did not provide. Whether you top it with glass or a dot sight, the optic becomes the weak point on a SHTF rifle. Personally, this is my favorite SHTF and/or survival rifle: http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/SDBB57/4b39738c.jpg It weights just 5.6 pounds, has sights that you're virtually never going to break, has a short OAL, breaks down into an even shorter package, has a stock that you'll virtually never be able to break, and is still capable of about 2-3 MOA accuracy over the 5 yards to a maximum of 200 or 300 yard ranges that matter in a SHTF situation. If an optic matters, I can always put my 3X Colt scope on top of the carry handle. That rifle, sir, is begging to be SBR'd! I chose AR-15/Red Dot and my 1st choice in ammo is MK262/BH 77 gr. 5.56mm OTM. I need to build a MK12 or RECCE... |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 5:15:54 PM EDT
[#46]
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The rakurs is 3x, but a great choice. And it will be easier to find have batteriesvthen bullets in shtf if you run a micro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Other. AK and Rakurs 1x sight (no batteries). The rakurs is 3x, but a great choice. And it will be easier to find have batteriesvthen bullets in shtf if you run a micro. Wrong, Rakurs is 1X, Kashtan is 2.8X. Kashtan on SG31-94 Rakurs on SGL21-94 
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:47:24 PM EDT
[#47]
The main problem is deciding who you want to kill (or not) from 300 yards away.
This is one reason gunfights typically occur at short ranges. Now military groups in identifiable factions are a little different, but they still usually fight from 300 yards or less. Obviously the environment will affect engagement distances also. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 11:30:59 PM EDT
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My Scar 17 with ACOG Ditto 
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Posted: 9/7/2014 12:02:54 AM EDT
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