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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:53:41 PM EDT
I have a problem, I can never be satisfied. Owning a fair amount of firearms you think i would be happy by now. I own what I consider to be a very nice highly modified DPMS pattern .308 rifle. This gun sports a very accurate 16 inch barrel, free floating rail, Geissele trigger and topped with primo glass. It's a great rifle, but its not a M1A. I want a Socom 16 just a plain jain .308 battle rifle.
I have toyed with the idea of trying to find someone to trade straight across for a Socom 16. Currently set up which is better? I have over 10 mags and some time invested in this DPMS, am i crazy for wanting a rifle that takes different and more expensive mags? What would you do?  " />
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:38:53 PM EDT
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OP, serious question. Are you smoking crack?
In all seriousness though, the M1A/M14 is a great weapon, but it doesn't hold a candle to the AR10/SR25. If you want one, then buy it. No one here will admonish you for doing so, but they simply arent as good as an AR10. Less accurate, higher maintenance, more expensive parts, harder to mount optics to, heavier, worse ergos, etc. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:39:57 PM EDT
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OP, serious question. Are you smoking crack? In all seriousness though, the M1A/M14 is a great weapon, but it doesn't hold a candle to the AR10/SR25. If you want one, then buy it. No one here will admonish you for doing so, but they simply arent as good as an AR10. Less accurate, higher maintenance, more expensive parts, harder to mount optics to, heavier, worse ergos, etc. FPNI |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:41:34 PM EDT
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OP, serious question. Are you smoking crack? In all seriousness though, the M1A/M14 is a great weapon, but it doesn't hold a candle to the AR10/SR25. If you want one, then buy it. No one here will admonish you for doing so, but they simply arent as good as an AR10. Less accurate, higher maintenance, more expensive parts, harder to mount optics to, heavier, worse ergos, etc. I get what you're saying, but for some reason i can't help doing the opposite of what is normal 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:50:10 PM EDT
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OP, serious question. Are you smoking crack? In all seriousness though, the M1A/M14 is a great weapon, but it doesn't hold a candle to the AR10/SR25. If you want one, then buy it. No one here will admonish you for doing so, but they simply arent as good as an AR10. Less accurate, higher maintenance, more expensive parts, harder to mount optics to, heavier, worse ergos, etc. I get what you're saying, but for some reason i can't help doing the opposite of what is normal I say that as someone whose battle rifles are all FAL's or HK/PTR, so I dont exactly go with the grain either. 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:54:05 PM EDT
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A lot of people will say the AR10 variants aren't durable enough to be considered a "battle rifle" and would prefer the M1A/M14. Me personally I like the idea of building a light, modern large frame AR...have not had this long enough to comment on durability yet though.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:26:50 AM EDT
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A lot of people will say the AR10 variants aren't durable enough to be considered a "battle rifle" and would prefer the M1A/M14. Me personally I like the idea of building a light, modern large frame AR...have not had this long enough to comment on durability yet though. <a href="http://s46.photobucket.com/user/SkeldZ06/media/20140824_112344_zpsmfxqtd5d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/SkeldZ06/20140824_112344_zpsmfxqtd5d.jpg</a> Very nice looking rifle. Are those the Gen II receivers? Do you know the weight with optic? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 9:03:25 AM EDT
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I want a Socom 16 just a plain jain .308 battle rifle. Have you fired a SOCOM yet? Did you like the proprietary compensator? The SOCOM is a great little carbine and I have a custom built 16.25" M14, but you may find the 18" Bush/Scout/MK14 to be a better short barreled M14 pattern rifle overall. The 18" barrel generates extra muzzle velocity, and it's easier to swap muzzle devices on the 18". Here is my CQB-16 in walnut... it's currently in a Blackfeather "RS". 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:30:45 AM EDT
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Very nice looking rifle. Are those the Gen II receivers? Do you know the weight with optic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot of people will say the AR10 variants aren't durable enough to be considered a "battle rifle" and would prefer the M1A/M14. Me personally I like the idea of building a light, modern large frame AR...have not had this long enough to comment on durability yet though. <a href="http://s46.photobucket.com/user/SkeldZ06/media/20140824_112344_zpsmfxqtd5d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/SkeldZ06/20140824_112344_zpsmfxqtd5d.jpg</a> Very nice looking rifle. Are those the Gen II receivers? Do you know the weight with optic? Thanks. Yes it's a DPMS G2 AP4 with the MI 12" rail. Slightly under 7 pounds no optic or sling, 8.6 pounds as pictured minus the magazine. This is a Weaver 1-5 in an ADM Recon...14 oz. scope, so not super heavy, but by the time you add the mount it does add quite a bit of weight compared to running an Aimpoint T1. But for this rifle I feel like the magnification is worthwhile. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 11:11:21 AM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10.
I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 11:21:48 AM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL 
No shit, eh? Notice I said AR10 variants. We could also say Large Frame AR if you prefer. DPMS/SR-25 pattern? It doesn't much matter to me. As long as I personally don't have a non-SR25 pattern Armalite lower I'm happy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 11:56:18 AM EDT
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2 inches more of barrel in 308 will not give you that much velocity.
About 50 fps. Really nothing. Had both. Both are no where as good as a scar 17 but the ar 10 Is a better choice for accuracy. More modifications can be made to it. Better trigger. Did get another ar10 just because you can mod it more. Socom or any m1 is only better at shooting off hand. Groups shift even If you bed the action. It was never a accurate platform. Hence you see less at nm And more ar's now |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:27:36 PM EDT
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The 18.0" barrel has 1.75" more barrel than the SOCOM, and it does generate more muzzle velocity.
The big difference between the 16.25" and the 18.0" is how easy it is to change muzzle devices on the 18" The M14/M1A can be modded about as much as a .308 AR. The M14 trigger can be superior and repeatable sub MOA accuracy is not hard to achieve with the M14 pattern rifle. Shorter M14 barrels tend to be more accurate than their longer counterparts because they have less barrel whip. When finished, this lightweight 16.25" CQB-16 will be capable of much more than just shooting offhand. 
There are millions of ARs in the USA, and only about 400K M14/M1A rifles, that's why you see more ARs. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:57:39 PM EDT
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The 18.0" barrel has 1.75" more barrel than the SOCOM, and it does generate more muzzle velocity. The big difference between the 16.25" and the 18.0" is how easy it is to change muzzle devices on the 18" The M14/M1A can be modded about as much as a .308 AR. The M14 trigger can be superior and repeatable sub MOA accuracy is not hard to achieve with the M14 pattern rifle. Shorter M14 barrels tend to be more accurate than their longer counterparts because they have less barrel whip. When finished, this lightweight 16.25" CQB-16 will be capable of much more than just shooting offhand. http://www.athenswater.com/images/FDE-BF-RS.2.JPG There are millions of ARs in the USA, and only about 400K M14/M1A rifles, that's why you see more ARs. That's a damn fine looking weapon. TXL |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:57:45 PM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL I guess we are splitting hairs now?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:59:09 PM EDT
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The 18.0" barrel has 1.75" more barrel than the SOCOM, and it does generate more muzzle velocity. The big difference between the 16.25" and the 18.0" is how easy it is to change muzzle devices on the 18" The M14/M1A can be modded about as much as a .308 AR. The M14 trigger can be superior and repeatable sub MOA accuracy is not hard to achieve with the M14 pattern rifle. Shorter M14 barrels tend to be more accurate than their longer counterparts because they have less barrel whip. When finished, this lightweight 16.25" CQB-16 will be capable of much more than just shooting offhand. http://www.athenswater.com/images/FDE-BF-RS.2.JPG There are millions of ARs in the USA, and only about 400K M14/M1A rifles, that's why you see more ARs. Dont get me wrong i like that but theres something about a OD green Socom 16 and a Aimpoint Pro on it the turns me on. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:03:38 PM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL I guess we are splitting hairs now? Calling a DPMS an "AR10" over in AR Variants is like a declaration of war. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:39:00 PM EDT
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Dont get me wrong i like that but theres something about a OD green Socom 16 and a Aimpoint Pro on it the turns me on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 18.0" barrel has 1.75" more barrel than the SOCOM, and it does generate more muzzle velocity. The big difference between the 16.25" and the 18.0" is how easy it is to change muzzle devices on the 18" The M14/M1A can be modded about as much as a .308 AR. The M14 trigger can be superior and repeatable sub MOA accuracy is not hard to achieve with the M14 pattern rifle. Shorter M14 barrels tend to be more accurate than their longer counterparts because they have less barrel whip. When finished, this lightweight 16.25" CQB-16 will be capable of much more than just shooting offhand. http://www.athenswater.com/images/FDE-BF-RS.2.JPG There are millions of ARs in the USA, and only about 400K M14/M1A rifles, that's why you see more ARs. Dont get me wrong i like that but theres something about a OD green Socom 16 and a Aimpoint Pro on it the turns me on. You have plenty of options |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:42:27 PM EDT
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I have both and recommend having both. You have so much in your rifle, it would be a shame to start over.
FWIW I would trade my socom for the 18" scout. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 2:28:05 PM EDT
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As a sniper in SF, I used the M14 variants (M21, M25, EBR) the SR25, M110, and many more. The rifle you have is SO much better and easier to work with in general than any M14 variant. Don't do it. When I got out, the first personal rifle I got rid of was a M1A match, but I kept the LT OBR. I'll probably be buried with my OBR. I don't regret getting rid of the M1A for a second.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:07:31 PM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL I guess we are splitting hairs now? Calling a DPMS an "AR10" over in AR Variants is like a declaration of war. I never understood why the large frame AR owners are so damn touchy. Must have a lot invested in brand recognition. How often does some one get called out for referring to a XM15-E2S, or N4, or GTR-3H, or DEFENDER 2000, as an "AR-15"? AR-10 or not, the lowly DPMS G2 is great innovation. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 7:18:46 PM EDT
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I never understood why the large frame AR owners are so damn touchy. Must have a lot invested in brand recognition. How many often does some one get called out for referring to a XM15-E2S, or N4, or GTR-3H, or DEFENDER 2000, as an "AR-15"? AR-10 or not, the lowly DPMS G2 is great innovation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL I guess we are splitting hairs now? Calling a DPMS an "AR10" over in AR Variants is like a declaration of war. I never understood why the large frame AR owners are so damn touchy. Must have a lot invested in brand recognition. How many often does some one get called out for referring to a XM15-E2S, or N4, or GTR-3H, or DEFENDER 2000, as an "AR-15"? AR-10 or not, the lowly DPMS G2 is great innovation. I just generally lump it all together. If its a grown up ar15 and shoots .308 then its an Ar10 to me. Besides this is my thread and ill call them whatever i want. So nanny nanny boo boo. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:29:16 PM EDT
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I just generally lump it all together. If its a grown up ar15 and shoots .308 then its an Ar10 to me. Besides this is my thread and ill call them whatever i want. So nanny nanny boo boo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL I guess we are splitting hairs now? Calling a DPMS an "AR10" over in AR Variants is like a declaration of war. I never understood why the large frame AR owners are so damn touchy. Must have a lot invested in brand recognition. How many often does some one get called out for referring to a XM15-E2S, or N4, or GTR-3H, or DEFENDER 2000, as an "AR-15"? AR-10 or not, the lowly DPMS G2 is great innovation. I just generally lump it all together. If its a grown up ar15 and shoots .308 then its an Ar10 to me. Besides this is my thread and ill call them whatever i want. So nanny nanny boo boo. Yeah, even though I'm well versed in the various nuances of large frame AR's, I will still refer them to as AR10's since they are all based on that original Stoner design, and people figure out it's something different but related to the infamous AR15 when you use that terminology. Armalite owners do tend to get touchy about it though. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 10:07:51 PM EDT
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With all the short coming of the M1A, I have to say that it is one of the most beautiful rifles I know:
Only if: 
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Posted: 9/1/2014 10:37:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:47:45 PM EDT
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I ended up keeping the AR10. it makes too much sense to keep it.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 6:50:28 PM EDT
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DMPS does not make an AR10. I hear Armalite does. Mine's an exceptional weapon. TXL LarryG, is that you? 
I do not consider the M1A/M14 to be superior to a quality AR-10 clone. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 8:35:46 AM EDT
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I ended up keeping the AR10. it makes too much sense to keep it. Cool ... now you can save up and build a modernized SOCOM. 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:20:02 AM EDT
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Absolutely, get both.
Nice rifle H2OMan |
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