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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:51:43 PM EDT
Since the AR10 and AR180 sections were merged into the AR variants for slow traffic how about we use that bandwidth for a bolt action section ?

There is no shortage of interest in MilSurp, FuddGun, Varmint, Scout, Beater Bolty, hunting and accurized rifles.

Could call it "Fudd & Bubba", the home for wayward bolt actions OTHER than precision and C&R.


 A bolt gun forum would keep the non precision rifle traffic out of the precision rifle section.


Edit to add poll.
Link Posted: 8/9/2014 11:18:21 PM EDT
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Like other forums don't turn in to GD sometimes? But not for long, thankfully.
Link Posted: 8/9/2014 11:59:27 PM EDT
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I like it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 12:47:07 AM EDT
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Second!
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 1:57:27 AM EDT
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Ehh, why not. But isn't that what GFD is...?

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Link Posted: 8/10/2014 4:30:42 AM EDT
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There are alot of tc encore guys on here too would be a great place to talk shop.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 9:11:23 AM EDT
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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.

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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.


I would generally say the precision guys aren't welcoming or helpful to the 1962 win70 7mm-08 crowd
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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.



Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  







Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:44:40 AM EDT
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Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  







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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.



Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  









Honestly, the Precision Forum is far above what the average new rifleman needs or should expect. A lot of simple repeating questions.

Practical Bolt Rifle Forum or some such nonsense might make sense. The basics of sighting, ranging, slings, etc.
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Honestly, the Precision Forum is far above what the average new rifleman needs or should expect. A lot of simple repeating questions.

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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.



Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  









Honestly, the Precision Forum is far above what the average new rifleman needs or should expect. A lot of simple repeating questions.

Practical Bolt Rifle Forum or some such nonsense might make sense. The basics of sighting, ranging, slings, etc.


Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 5:45:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/11/2014 11:59:56 PM EDT
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That same argument can be made about all of our forums. The majority of the people don't read tacked threads, or still want the most up to date info.
 
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Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.

That same argument can be made about all of our forums. The majority of the people don't read tacked threads, or still want the most up to date info.
 


Don't you want to bang your head against the wall, sometimes?  I've found more info / help in the FAQ's  in one forum, than trying a SEARCH on Google, yhaoo, etc.

Keep up the excellent site, work, and thank you to ever does the FAQ's. It takes days, well worth one's time, to read through them.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 8:43:20 AM EDT
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Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.
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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.



Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  









Honestly, the Precision Forum is far above what the average new rifleman needs or should expect. A lot of simple repeating questions.

Practical Bolt Rifle Forum or some such nonsense might make sense. The basics of sighting, ranging, slings, etc.


Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.


Good point. "What scope should I get?", when there is a tacked thread that addresses that very topic drives me nuts.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 10:19:30 PM EDT
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^we need I change the stigma of locked threads.
Mods, IMHO, need to lock more threads and, kindly, poit people to the FAQs. Of course this is a discussion board but certain topics don't need to be continually hashed out.
The other side of that is that stickies need to be continually updated

Ymmv

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Link Posted: 8/12/2014 11:18:36 PM EDT
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Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.
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Op doesn't like non-sub moa rifles clogging up his forum.



Much Lollz !    


Good humor aside I believe I am seeing the emergence of a new wave or subset of firearms interest.

IDK what to call it but It seems to be a fusion of elements drawn from classic American riflery, precision, practical, MilSurp and Fudd and it has a strong applications of D.I.Y.  Bolt actions are the commonality that runs through it.  









Honestly, the Precision Forum is far above what the average new rifleman needs or should expect. A lot of simple repeating questions.

Practical Bolt Rifle Forum or some such nonsense might make sense. The basics of sighting, ranging, slings, etc.


Are those not discussed (often) in other forms, like this one ?   http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html

IF one were to open up, how long before the same  ?? were asked by folks who have a hard time looking at the FAQ's in other forums.

Hi all new to bolt action rifles, what would you recommend for a first bolt action, i have a budget of $500 tops. I want SUB MOA with little or no smithing required. Due to work and a new baby on the way, must keep the scope under $350.



Those questions get asked in all forums.

What I am seeing during my websurfs is people from different primary interest groups I.E. tactical, MilSurp, Hunters, fudd traditional etc, picking up bolt actions and taking them in a practical or general purpose field rifle direction and doing many of the modifications to increase utility  themselves..

 

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If you are using or plan to use a bolt gun as a practical utility rifle or have modded one in that direction please say so in order for site staff to better gage interest.
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Those questions get asked in all forums.

What I am seeing during my websurfs is people from different primary interest groups I.E. tactical, MilSurp, Hunters, fudd traditional etc, picking up bolt actions and taking them in a practical or general purpose field rifle direction and doing many of the modifications to increase utility  themselves..

 

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Do bubba'd (tasteful or not so much) belong in this new proposed venue? Mosins to Mausers, Enfields to arisakas. Stuff that gets the boot from C&R
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Do bubba'd (tasteful or not so much) belong in this new proposed venue? Mosins to Mausers, Enfields to arisakas. Stuff that gets the boot from C&R
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Those questions get asked in all forums.

What I am seeing during my websurfs is people from different primary interest groups I.E. tactical, MilSurp, Hunters, fudd traditional etc, picking up bolt actions and taking them in a practical or general purpose field rifle direction and doing many of the modifications to increase utility  themselves..

 

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If you are using or plan to use a bolt gun as a practical utility rifle or have modded one in that direction please say so in order for site staff to better gage interest.

Do bubba'd (tasteful or not so much) belong in this new proposed venue? Mosins to Mausers, Enfields to arisakas. Stuff that gets the boot from C&R



I don't see why not.

Lots of rifles are modded  to regain function or useability or to  increase usefulness and utility.  



Link Posted: 8/13/2014 1:59:43 AM EDT
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[Rambling]I would liketo make a motion . And now that I have done that I do like the idea. No offense meant but it would keep the precision rifle forum less cluttered. I have both precision rifles and jack of all trade/diy bolt guns that are not precision rifles they are accurate that's for sure but my 300wm savage doesnt need to shoot .25 moa. They are utilitarian in nature. Like the difference between an STI and a glock.
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YES.  C&R forum habitues are stuck-ups empowered by the 1968 Gun Control Act they worship.  If you want to preserve your Mosin - go to the C&R forum - they'll help you keep the original Soviet cosmoline in the stock under the shellac.  Want to scope your Mosin?  Come to the bolt-action rifle forum where we lovingly whittle on the remnants of the 20th Century's wars to better murder deer.
Link Posted: 8/13/2014 9:09:33 PM EDT
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but does anyone know a good .308 bullet for elk?
Link Posted: 8/13/2014 9:10:25 PM EDT
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I own page 2!

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Nosler partitions are the hands down favorite in my area.
Link Posted: 8/17/2014 9:01:57 PM EDT
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Nosler partitions are the hands down favorite in my area.
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Nosler partitions are the hands down favorite in my area.

Nosler balistic tip hunting
Nosler partition
Nosler accubond
Hornady SST
Hirnady interlock
Hirnady gmx
Sierra pro hunter
Sierra game king
Barnes tsx
Barnes ttsx
Burger vld hunting.
Link Posted: 8/18/2014 1:25:39 PM EDT
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I would like to see a general bolt gun forum since the majority of my bolt guns fall in that category.

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Link Posted: 8/18/2014 4:36:42 PM EDT
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I too, would enjoy a place to discuss current bolt action rifles that are not submoa, long range "precision" rifles.   We do need a place dedicated to bolt guns in general, just like we have for shotguns and for lever action rifles.   Keep the traffic here for the benefit of our sponsors and advertisers, rather than having us go to some other forum to ask technical questions about a particular ejector for a Sako L579, or about a Remington Custom Shop 700 Mountain Rifle or the various iterations of Winchester Model 70's, or Weatherby Mark V.

We already have a brand specific subforum for Ruger Centerfire Rifles.   That is good.  But why not for Remington, Winchester, Weatherby, Savage, Sako, et cetera.  Maybe make the Ruger subforum more generic?   Or add for other brands at least as popular?

Many of us here love this board but spend as much time in a deer stand as doing tactical shooting with our AR15's.
Link Posted: 8/18/2014 4:46:39 PM EDT
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Do it, Do it.  


I think it's a good idea.
Link Posted: 8/19/2014 5:02:31 PM EDT
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Anyone know a reputable rifle smith that cuts stripper clip slots in Remington 700 receivers ?
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See what I mean?
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See what I mean?



Touche mon frere.

Link Posted: 8/20/2014 8:33:16 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/20/2014 12:49:40 PM EDT
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I think it would be a good idea. It would certainly keep some of the hunting rifle questions out of the precision paper/ steel shooting way.
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The Airguns forum here in the Armory isn't exactly setting the world on fire either.  3+ months of threads fit on page 1.  Yet, there it is...



 
Link Posted: 8/20/2014 7:27:53 PM EDT
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Here we go - a sporterized Remington Mosin, 1917, that I had drilled & tapped for a scope mount by Gander Mountain.  Note the Marble peep sight:

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Doing a heck of a lot better than the Europe HTF.
Link Posted: 8/20/2014 7:36:27 PM EDT
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What's not to like about bolt guns? Sign me up.
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*snort*
Link Posted: 8/20/2014 11:14:35 PM EDT
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I support the idea. I'm new to boltys with a RAR in .30-06. I check out the precision forum, but they're way over my head. I wouldn't dare ask a question there. I don't post unless I feel I have something useful to say or ask, so I'd be reading more than posting, but I'd definitely check in regularly.
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 Disappointing, only 1,184 views and only three votes for pie.
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Here we go - a sporterized Remington Mosin, 1917, that I had drilled & tapped for a scope mount by Gander Mountain.  Note the Marble peep sight:

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How did this one start out and where is it going ?
Link Posted: 8/21/2014 10:24:04 PM EDT
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Those areas exist already in the outdoor section under the hunting sections like Deer Hunting. Also there is the GD for gubs in the Armory.



So no
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How did this one start out and where is it going ?
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How did this one start out and where is it going ?


Appears to have a Russian acceptance stamp, and I got it for $50 sporterized, w/ the worn out Marble peep sight & a fare-thee-well trigger.  The Marble peep sight needs to come off & be sold to a collector that will appreciate it, and the scope mount needs to be mounted w/ the scope & zeroed for this fall's deer season.  May ultimately go to my Iraqi buddy if I don't give him the SKS.  In the past, I tried a variable pistol scope from Optics Planet that had JUST too short eye relief for the scope mount flipped forward to the scout position.  I have a sporterized 33 I can swipe the bolt carrier from that will clear the scope mount, and a garden variety 3-9X that will sit on it this fall.
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As the hunting section is about hunting

 The proposed Bolt Action other than Precision and C&R section is to be about MilSurp, FuddGun, Varmint, Scout, Beater Bolty, hunting, accurized etc.rfiles
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Appears to have a Russian acceptance stamp, and I got it for $50 sporterized, w/ the worn out Marble peep sight & a fare-thee-well trigger.  The Marble peep sight needs to come off & be sold to a collector that will appreciate it, and the scope mount needs to be mounted w/ the scope & zeroed for this fall's deer season.  May ultimately go to my Iraqi buddy if I don't give him the SKS.  In the past, I tried a variable pistol scope from Optics Planet that had JUST too short eye relief for the scope mount flipped forward to the scout position.  I have a sporterized 33 I can swipe the bolt carrier from that will clear the scope mount, and a garden variety 3-9X that will sit on it this fall.
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How did this one start out and where is it going ?


Appears to have a Russian acceptance stamp, and I got it for $50 sporterized, w/ the worn out Marble peep sight & a fare-thee-well trigger.  The Marble peep sight needs to come off & be sold to a collector that will appreciate it, and the scope mount needs to be mounted w/ the scope & zeroed for this fall's deer season.  May ultimately go to my Iraqi buddy if I don't give him the SKS.  In the past, I tried a variable pistol scope from Optics Planet that had JUST too short eye relief for the scope mount flipped forward to the scout position.  I have a sporterized 33 I can swipe the bolt carrier from that will clear the scope mount, and a garden variety 3-9X that will sit on it this fall.


Pics and a range report or it never happened
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Pics and a range report or it never happened


Crap & I just screwed the scope mount down.  I'll try to get it out tomorrow for the stamp pics, and see if I can illustrate the scout mount position.  May be able to do a range report when I go to test the plastic brick bumpfire, if I can figure out how to finish it.
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