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Posted: 8/9/2013 7:47:38 AM EST
I just purchased a new savage b mag in 17 wsm and I'm looking to put a 6-24x50 scope on it cause I'm going to be using the gun to shoot woodchucks between 150 and 300 yards. The problem I'm finding is 6-24x 50 scopes are either 700 to 1000$ or 50 to 130 nothing in between I'm looking to buy a middle of the road 2 to 300 dollar scope but just can't seem to find one. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 8:34:38 AM EST
Be aware- a 50mm or larger bell necessitates very high rings which can mean an awkward cheeck-weld.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 9:33:25 AM EST
if you can find an older Tasco World Class 6-24x44 with 1/8min dot and 1/8min clicks with AO... I had one on my STC 10/22 and later on my AR15 that I used to shoot clay birds at 500m with... very good scope for the money, and original price was around $180... Tasco still lists a 6-24x44 but I don't think it is the 1/8min dot version....

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 9:47:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By donovansn585:
I just purchased a new savage b mag in 17 wsm and I'm looking to put a 6-24x50 scope on it cause I'm going to be using the gun to shoot woodchucks between 150 and 300 yards. The problem I'm finding is 6-24x 50 scopes are either 700 to 1000$ or 50 to 130 nothing in between I'm looking to buy a middle of the road 2 to 300 dollar scope but just can't seem to find one. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Sightron makes a decent middle of the road scope in that mag range for about 450ish.
Sightron SII

The Burris Fullfield would be a decent choice, at about the same price, with a bit less magnification
Buris Fullfield

Bushnell Elites are a solid choice, as well. Again, roughly the same money
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Lastly, Vortex makes the Viper in a 6.5-20x44. This would be my choice. 30mm tube, side focus, etc....definitely best bang for the buck, in my opinion
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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 9:51:08 AM EST
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I know it is below your price range, and not 24x, but I have found the 6.5 - 20 x 50mm Simmons Whitetail Classic to be a very sturdy scope. I had it on my Swiss K31 (.308 power equivalent) for a long time before I decided to slimline my scoped swissie. I have it on my 10/22 now (trying to decide what ammo it likes best). The only negative I have found besides weight, is the short eye relief. It isn't terrible but I didn't like such short eye relief on my K31, but it is right at home on my lower recoil weapons. At least look at it on Whitetail classic at MidwayUSA to see if it would suit your needs, if not all your wants.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 10:19:55 AM EST
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it would suit your needs, if not all your wants.

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I consider decent glass a need, not a want. Others differ.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:18:40 AM EST
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Good for you, now lets let the OP decide what his NEEDS are. You aren't getting "decent" glass for less than $300 in that magnification, no matter what YOU want. You can however get fairly decent construction. I like my Leupolds more than my Simmons, but they cost much more too. Besides, he's plinking woodchucks, not taking $15000 trophy deer on a $10000 guides hunt. If he was my advice would have been to spend much more on his glass.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:23:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenTalon:
Good for you, now lets let the OP decide what his NEEDS are. You aren't getting "decent" glass for less than $300 in that magnification, no matter what YOU want. You can however get fairly decent construction. I like my Leupolds more than my Simmons, but they cost much more too.
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And not a single scope I listed, for example, was anywhere near $300. Every scope I listed has at least decent optical quality.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:30:27 AM EST
And if you read what OP was asking, he was looking for a $200-$300 scope not a starting at $400, and edging up to $500 scope. Yes I know that my suggestion didn't match exactly what OP was looking for either, but I think it was more in the spirit of what he was looking for.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:34:02 AM EST
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And if you read what OP was asking, he was looking for a $200-$300 scope not a starting at $400, and edging up to $500 scope. Yes I know that my suggestion didn't match exactly what OP was looking for either, but I think it was more in the spirit of what he was looking for.
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The Simmons is squarely in the $50-$130 range he stated he did not want, and I agree with him. Far better to save an extra $150, and get a good scope, than to settle for something cheap.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:42:27 AM EST
Keep your eyes peeled for an old used Leupy in Vari-X III 6.5-20x50 AO LR target fine duplex. Not the side focus version but an earlier AO with 30mm tube. Great scope which cost $500 new around 12yrs ago.
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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 11:45:15 AM EST
I agree with you, it is in the $50-130 range, I just disagree that it is in that QUALITY range. I believe it is better than the field in quality of construction which nearly all scopes in that range are sorely lacking in. Not that the glass is great, it's barely decent, but look thru it and you may be surprised. It is pretty clear, just doesn't transmit light nearly as well as Swarovski, Leupold, Kahles, etc. I probably shouldn't have been so flippant in my first reply to you, and I apologize for that. Have you at least looked thru the Simmons WTC? It not terrible, and terrific for the price.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 1:02:43 PM EST
Great advice guys I really appreciate it I definitely am going to research the Simmons and I really like the idea of the the used vari x II also. Thank you.

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Link Posted: 8/9/2013 1:30:48 PM EST
There's a gentleman on here that has a barska 10-40x50 for sale for 225 any thoughts

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Junk. Way, way overpriced junk.

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about 220 dollars over value

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I bought a Bushnell Elite 4200 years ago for around $350-400. I can't imagine they are much more now.
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Garbage, do not buy it. Even if you were considering one of them, that scope is less than $200 brand new. But really, don't buy a barska.

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Garbage, do not buy it. Even if you were considering one of them, that scope is less than $200 brand new. But really, don't buy a barska.
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Originally Posted By donovansn585:
There's a gentleman on here that has a barska 10-40x50 for sale for 225 any thoughts
Garbage, do not buy it. Even if you were considering one of them, that scope is less than $200 brand new. But really, don't buy a barska.


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Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50mm is a good choice and is around $400, that is if you can sway yourself to spend $100 more


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There's a gentleman on here that has a barska 10-40x50 for sale for 225 any thoughts
Garbage, do not buy it. Even if you were considering one of them, that scope is less than $200 brand new. But really, don't buy a barska.



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Link Posted: 8/12/2013 9:17:08 PM EST
The Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25X50) might work for you. I have one and am very satisfied with it. It has an illuminated dot with crosshairs reticle and costs around $230. Available in black and silver....

You can see an actual picture of the reticle on Muellers site-
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Link Posted: 8/12/2013 10:32:31 PM EST
Not to be rude but do you really feel you need a 24x for up to 300 yards? If so that is fine but you might have better luck going down to 14-16x. Also you may get a little better glass for your money with lower power scopes. Just my .02

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Link Posted: 8/13/2013 5:40:40 AM EST
I bought a Mueller APV for my bmag, It seems more than adequate for anything the rifle is capable of and it was only 130$.

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The Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25X50) might work for you. I have one and am very satisfied with it. It has an illuminated dot with crosshairs reticle and costs around $230. Available in black and silver....

You can see an actual picture of the reticle on Muellers site-
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I was going to post that as well. Or this one too:

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Link Posted: 8/13/2013 3:09:45 PM EST
Allow me to suggest the Osprey brand of scopes via Optics Planet. I think I paid $265~ for my 10x40x50 & they have all sorts of power combo's. Osprey is ahead of others in their range due to using Japanese glass & NOT Chinese glass in their scopes. Makes a HUGE difference in visual quality.

For the record, I've got multiple Osprey scopes & the only other brand I own multiples of is Nikon.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2013 4:24:46 PM EST
I've had very good luck with Nikon for rimfire guns. You don't have to worry so much about eye relieve like you do on larger calibers.
Many of the mid range Weavers are made by Light Optic of Japan...very good performance and reviews. I have a Weaver tactical on my SPR...but don't have
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Without getting into the geometry of it, if you are gonna go with a 24 power scope, make sure you have a FIRST FOCAL PLANE reticle. ( not FRONT...but FIRST ) You won't have to worry so much about compensating for elevation
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Without getting into the geometry of it, if you are gonna go with a 24 power scope, make sure you have a FIRST FOCAL PLANE reticle. ( not FRONT...but FIRST ) You won't have to worry so much about compensating for elevation
by verticle adjustment of the reticle when you increase or decrease your magnification.
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Link Posted: 8/16/2013 7:27:28 PM EST
I would definitely NOT get a FFP for that purpose in his price range. SFP has performed well for hunters over the years and is generally 25% less $ than FFP with the same glass. High mag scopes will accentuate flaws in glass quality so I'd rather put the $ toward that first. Those recommendations in the swfa links earlier all look solid.

I have the Burris FF2 4.5-14x42 and Bushnell 6-24x40 (side focus though) and would be happy to hunt groundhogs with the glass on either. I spent $250 (new) and $350 (used) respectively. The Bushnell 6-24x50 Elite Tac I have has similar (maybe slightly better) glass than the 4200, same build quality, better turrets, illuminated reticle, and .... FFP for only about 2x as much $. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot and would recommend that if he wanted to spend $800+. I'm sure others would have a whole new set of advice on competing scopes in that category as well. However, it's a moot point so I vote for the aforementioned 4200.

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Link Posted: 8/17/2013 6:54:08 PM EST
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keep an eye out, they have some deals every once and a while.

natchezss and midway sell refurb'd scopes. something else to consider

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Not to be rude but do you really feel you need a 24x for up to 300 yards? If so that is fine but you might have better luck going down to 14-16x. Also you may get a little better glass for your money with lower power scopes. Just my .02
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This is something to consider. I have shot prairie dogs out to 500 yards with 14.5 and 16x scopes with no problems.

If you buy a less expensive scope in 24x, you may find to get a good, clear picture you have to back down the magnification anyway.

If you get a chance, go to a place that sells scopes and take a look through them at various magnifications before you buy.

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Link Posted: 8/18/2013 8:02:38 AM EST
Yes, you can get a very clear sight picture on a Prairie Dogs head at 300 yards with 14X . Hitting his head at that distance is another matter

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Link Posted: 8/21/2013 2:01:33 PM EST
And yes I need a 24x scope because the critters I'm shooting are small in size and I want good shot placement

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