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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:25:53 AM EST
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someone told me they (gubermnt) wuz gonna start making manufactures
put"something" in ammo that would limit the shelf life; it would even
be in bulk smokless powder;

now this is a place where nothing goes unoticed, espically a regulation like that,
so it's not that I believe it, but I've never heard of such a thing; did I miss the memo?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:43:40 AM EST
Bravo Sierra
Get off my cloud
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:47:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Bravo Sierra


So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:41:48 AM EST
That would only be limited to assault powder.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:48:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Bravo Sierra


Lol, i love this shit, TINFOIL TIEM
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:37:23 AM EST
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This rumor goes back the the 90's Assault Weapon Ban.

At the time, several of the usual totally dense anti-gun politicians and activists wanted to make ammo makers add "taggants" to gun powder. These taggants would allow the police to identify the maker and even the lot of the ammo by the taggant.

It was explained that taggants would alter the powder in unsafe ways and that no military or police organization would allow it in their ammo, and that the unknown and unsafe taggant effects would likely cause explosive accidents.
So, common sense prevailed and the adults dropped the idea.

From that came rumors that the government wanted to put additives in powder or primers that would give ammo an expiration date. Within a set number of years the ammo would simply deactivate itself and become useless.
This would prevent those NRA crazies from stockpiling ammo.
When it was explained that there is simply no possible way to do this, and again, no one military, police or civilian would allow such an unsafe additive, most people understood it was just a rumor.

Like most rumors, it refuses to die.

To sum up, there's no way to put a taggant in firearms ammo because of problems like the taggant and powder separating out and causing massive overloads.

There is no known reliable or safe method of causing ammunition to deactivate itself after a set time.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:42:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By Flathead9:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Bravo Sierra




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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:46:34 AM EST
well, that rumorz so old I've never heard it.,,,,guess I can cancel that order for
a boxcar load of Unique (Flaming Dirt) & H335,,,,,,,
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:55:29 AM EST
It's complete and utter bullshit, but just imagine what kind of liability the congresscritters and powder and ammunition manufacturers would open themselves up to.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:43:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By HankZudd:
someone told me they (gubermnt) wuz gonna start making manufactures
put"something" in ammo that would limit the shelf life; it would even
be in bulk smokless powder;

now this is a place where nothing goes unoticed, espically a regulation like that,
so it's not that I believe it, but I've never heard of such a thing; did I miss the memo?


When it gets close to the expiration date, it goes to the 50% off rack!
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:54:28 PM EST
Why does this BS come up, every panic buy!
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:49:29 PM EST
Did this person happen to be selling "pre-expiration date" ammo or powder for "the best price you'll find around"?

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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:16:12 PM EST
What if my primers expired 1½ years ago? Should I still use these?



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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:23:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By dfariswheel:
This rumor goes back the the 90's Assault Weapon Ban.

At the time, several of the usual totally dense anti-gun politicians and activists wanted to make ammo makers add "taggants" to gun powder. These taggants would allow the police to identify the maker and even the lot of the ammo by the taggant.

It was explained that taggants would alter the powder in unsafe ways and that no military or police organization would allow it in their ammo, and that the unknown and unsafe taggant effects would likely cause explosive accidents.
So, common sense prevailed and the adults dropped the idea.

From that came rumors that the government wanted to put additives in powder or primers that would give ammo an expiration date. Within a set number of years the ammo would simply deactivate itself and become useless.
This would prevent those NRA crazies from stockpiling ammo.
When it was explained that there is simply no possible way to do this, and again, no one military, police or civilian would allow such an unsafe additive, most people understood it was just a rumor.

Like most rumors, it refuses to die.

To sum up, there's no way to put a taggant in firearms ammo because of problems like the taggant and powder separating out and causing massive overloads.

There is no known reliable or safe method of causing ammunition to deactivate itself after a set time.


That and in a testing panel of several volunteers all volunteers were 100% successful in removing 100% of the taggants from 1 pound samples of tagged powder using a black light a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:36:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By sanman28:
That would only be limited to assault powder.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:02:32 AM EST
And it's amazing who can get caught up in these kinds of myths.

My BIL is a pretty smart guy. He's actually a production engineer for a pretty significant firearms mfg'r (Yup. AR's of all kinds!) and he called a month or so ago, petrified by this very rumor!

It's a good thing my wife took the call. God knows what I might've said! (I'd really hate to piss him off. He's good people.) Ha! Like I said . . . it's amazing who can get fooled into a near panic by this kinda' shit!
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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:41:24 AM EST
Oh yes. Totally true. Your ammo is worthless. I will take it off your hands - you only have to pay to ship it to me
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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:40:28 AM EST
This would be a terrible liability issue if ammo began to degrade much faster than expected, and failed to perform or took on unforseeable characteristics.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:53:07 AM EST
Not going to happen
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:39:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By sanman28:
That would only be limited to assault powder.


Good one
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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:27:42 PM EST
Christ, this rumor almost predates the internet and led to the great primer famine of the mid 90s. No truth to this, cant be done, utter bullshit. You are authorized to throat punch anyone in a gunstore spreading these lies.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:58:38 PM EST
Limiting the shelf life of ammo is complete nonsense. If a shooting war ever starts, I'd be more worried about this.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:18:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Murooka:
Limiting the shelf life of ammo is complete nonsense. If a shooting war ever starts, I'd be more worried about this.


The US did that in Vietnam. They'd capture an ammo cache, booby trap some rounds by filling them with an explosive, then propagate a myth that bad batches of ammo were coming down from the north.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:48:06 PM EST
Don't believe everything you hear, and don't start a thread based on said belief!