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When the upper and lower are matching (e.g. Spikes) then is your gun considered not a frankengun or does some other stuff have to match?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:13:19 AM
Do you mean just the stripped receivers are from the same company? I'd say yes, still a frankengun. You're likely to buy a bunch of parts from other manufacturers (barrel, bcg, lpk, etc.). I think a factory built rifle is the way to not be a frankengun
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:14:32 AM
I don't think there's a law somewhere engraved on a stone tablet defining exactly what a frankengun is. And in the end, who really cares?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:15:07 AM
I don't generally agree with this... Some people tend to think that if your rifle is not factory built then it's a franken/ parts gun...
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:17:38 AM
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Originally Posted By par3:
When the upper and lower are matching (e.g. Spikes) then is your gun considered not a frankengun or does some other stuff have to match?


Are all internal components from Spikes ...BCG LPK etc? ? Lower rec - was it factory assembled by Spikes? Was the upper factory assembled by Spikes upper?

If you answered No to any of the above , then it's a pieced together rifle and it's considered a "frankengun." Not that that's always a bad thing.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 12:56:18 PM
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CMT internal parts
FN barrels
Magpul accessories
many different branded lowers and uppers from the same forges
Sooner or later they are all "Frankenguns"
It's only a matter of degree

Even if I owned another Colt (had probably 10 of them in this life so far) I'd still more than likely add a Badass lever,Geissele trigger,Magpul furniture,some kind of free float forend,
etc...etc...etc...

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Posted: 8/1/2012 2:27:10 PM
The definition of a "Frankengun" as I understand it is a rifle assembled from questionable parts.

IMHO if you assembled a rifle with known quality parts,and it was done by a capable individual,then I see no need to label it as anything but a rifle.


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Posted: 8/1/2012 3:47:27 PM
I remember hearing the term 'frankenmag' on the AR variant board, referring to putting a 7.62x39 follower in an 5.56 AR mag. So to me a 'frankengun' would be any modification of an AR that's out of the norm. But assembling a 'standard' AR together with an upper reciver from here and a lower from there isn't a frankengun INHO. Almost everybody's LPKs wil fit into anyone else's lowers with no mods, any barrel can be bolted to any upper. Now when you cut a lower to accept a Suomi drum? That's a frankengun. And it's not a bad thing, just different, and usually custom. Not always pretty, but often very functional. Not for the squares.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 3:54:23 PM
Why do we bother with meaningless semantics so much on this site? I'm gathering that Frankengun is slowly becoming a derogatory term.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 4:19:27 PM
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Frankengun just means home built, and it was originally meant as a derogatory term, you used to, and still do, hear of 'experts" who opine about home built guns being unreliable "those always break in my classes" course I have heard the same experts claim that you can't get through a carbine class 'with that Wolf crap."
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Posted: 8/1/2012 4:28:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Aimless:

Frankengun just means home built...

Yep. I don't use the term much at all, but I take it to mean any AR that was not purchased as a complete factory rifle.

(And I don't personally infer a derogatory meaning from it automatically, FWIW, but I have certainly heard it used that way from the context, etc.)

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Posted: 8/1/2012 7:26:19 PM
Franken gun derives from "Frankenstein" monster which was a collection of random body parts "Igor" collected from various cemeteries.....in questionable degrees of "freshness".....

The bride of Frankenstein was no Bo Derick that's for sure......anymore than a Frankenstein AR-15 is no Colt

Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder on the other hand performance is where the metal meets the meat..so to speak and to mix a metaphor...however...

A trailer park ghetto barrio reservation homebuilt will probably never hold a candle to a Stag, Rock River, BCM ,LMT,or a Noveske

Ya got yer Frankenguns ...your quality home-builts....your average rack grade, your quality rack grades, and your elite custom shop AR's and probably a bunch more categories we could make up...to describe something better than a Frankengun

But then that would take all the sarcasm out the discussion and what fun would that be?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 7:47:14 PM
Why would anyone be concerned with this? All you should worry about is if it works or not.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:02:20 PM
To some extant, they're all frankenguns. With the exception of Colt and Oly, almost none of the "manufacturers" do everything in house. A lot of them just assemble parts from outside sources.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:39:10 PM
Trust me , from the front no one , and I mean NO ONE is going to make a big deal about what combination of parts makes up said rifle .
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Posted: 8/4/2012 3:25:51 AM
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Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
To some extant, they're all frankenguns. With the exception of Colt and Oly, almost none of the "manufacturers" do everything in house. A lot of them just assemble parts from outside sources.

splitting hairs


I'd define a franken gun as one that is put together using know sub-par parts or mystery parts. (like frankenstein) Think spare parts turning into a spare rifle type deal.

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Posted: 8/4/2012 8:03:29 PM
Originally Posted By lew:
Why would anyone be concerned with this? All you should worry about is if it works or not.


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Posted: 8/5/2012 10:29:56 AM
While some might consider Frankengun to be derogatory, I don't. I have far more respect for an individual capable of assembling a wild array of parts from different sources, and making an effective gun than some one who just buys an already assembled gun.

Now, one might have better re-sale value than the other. Just like a pedigreed dog might sell for more than a mutt, even if the mutt is actually superior. Re-sale value is not the best indicator of quality.

My best frankengun is a 1911 clone, not an AR clone. It has parts that were manufactured over a 65 year spread. The safetly lock is WWII GI, (I think, it might be WWI, though), the frame is cast, some of the other parts are MIM, the slide and barrel are 36 years old. Cosmetically, it is some what deficient, even when its Duracoat finish was new. But accuracy wise it is reasonable, and reliability wise it is great. It is one that I trust. Most people turn their nose up at it, until they actually shoot it.

Frankenguns, each one is a new adventure.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:34:07 PM
Originally Posted By grendelbane:
While some might consider Frankengun to be derogatory, I don't. I have far more respect for an individual capable of assembling a wild array of parts from different sources, and making an effective gun than some one who just buys an already assembled gun.

Now, one might have better re-sale value than the other. Just like a pedigreed dog might sell for more than a mutt, even if the mutt is actually superior. Re-sale value is not the best indicator of quality.

My best frankengun is a 1911 clone, not an AR clone. It has parts that were manufactured over a 65 year spread. The safetly lock is WWII GI, (I think, it might be WWI, though), the frame is cast, some of the other parts are MIM, the slide and barrel are 36 years old. Cosmetically, it is some what deficient, even when its Duracoat finish was new. But accuracy wise it is reasonable, and reliability wise it is great. It is one that I trust. Most people turn their nose up at it, until they actually shoot it.

Frankenguns, each one is a new adventure.


probably not what you want though when it's a duty weapon or something you keep for CCW or SHTF.
I have admiration for someone who can build a gun from parts because I can't. It just may not be the best idea for a gun you need to depend on...
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probably not what you want though when it's a duty weapon or something you keep for CCW or SHTF.
I have admiration for someone who can build a gun from parts because I can't. It just may not be the best idea for a gun you need to depend on...


You have lost me here. I don't trust any gun until I have fired it numerous times. Store bought or home built doesn't make any difference.

Home built is probably better, at least you know what was used, and how it was assembled. And if a part should break, you will know how to replace it.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:35:15 PM
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By grendelbane:
While some might consider Frankengun to be derogatory, I don't. I have far more respect for an individual capable of assembling a wild array of parts from different sources, and making an effective gun than some one who just buys an already assembled gun.

Now, one might have better re-sale value than the other. Just like a pedigreed dog might sell for more than a mutt, even if the mutt is actually superior. Re-sale value is not the best indicator of quality.

My best frankengun is a 1911 clone, not an AR clone. It has parts that were manufactured over a 65 year spread. The safetly lock is WWII GI, (I think, it might be WWI, though), the frame is cast, some of the other parts are MIM, the slide and barrel are 36 years old. Cosmetically, it is some what deficient, even when its Duracoat finish was new. But accuracy wise it is reasonable, and reliability wise it is great. It is one that I trust. Most people turn their nose up at it, until they actually shoot it.

Frankenguns, each one is a new adventure.


probably not what you want though when it's a duty weapon or something you keep for CCW or SHTF.
I have admiration for someone who can build a gun from parts because I can't. It just may not be the best idea for a gun you need to depend on...


I would trust more a rifle "assemble" by me than by somebody else.

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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:53:26 PM
A frankengun, to me, is a gun assembled from parts of more than one model, for example, putting milled M1903 Springfield bands, trigger guard, and buttplate on an M1903A3. In the AR-15 world, it would be something like mating a flattop upper with a slabside SP1 lower. A frankengun may be a perfectly good gun. The main significance is its "purity" from a collector's standpoint.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:23:19 PM
I'd say I have a Frankengun...

I have a Spikes upper, lower, trigger guard. WMD bcg, M&P chrome barrel, Troy TRX rail, Primary Weapons System flash suppressor, Magpul ACS stock, MBUIS sights, Eotech 512 and Geissele SDG-3 trigger.

and...IT'S ALIVE!