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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:44:25 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I turned 18 a few months ago and decided, since I'm legally old enough, to start getting into rifles. I've been fascinated my whole life, but now I wanna shoot by myself. I don't currently own any rifles, but my father does, and never uses them so he doesn't care what I do with them. I've shot them all at some point in my life, but my favorite would have to be his 2 Lee Enfields. I plan on taking them out to Calverton, NY this summer, but I have a few questions. They're Lee Enfield Mk. IV, No. 1, and Mk. IV No. 2 (I know that matters). I currently only have the magazines they came with, but I'm wondering if there are any more magazines I can purchase. I looked everywhere and can only find old, rare ones for about $50+. Are there any newer ones, commercially available, that will fit in the Mk IV? I heard the Mk IV can take Mk II and III magazines or something. Can someone fill me in on the differences on all the marks and numbers? I'm really looking to hit the range this summer and put these and the rest of the rifles to good use, since my father is too busy to shoot anymore. Also, which ammunition should I use? For the Garands, my father and I used Federal boat-tail or something (I forgot the exact specs). Does Federal make good ammunition I can use? And How much will it be per round/box? I don't wanna get to the range and come up short for ammunition. Thanks for answers in advance. This is the only rifle I haven't fully comprehended yet. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:21:48 PM
While I don't know if the various Marks have interchangeable mags, I do know that the Enfield mags are not intended to be changed when empty the way a modern rifle is i.e. a soldier did not carry extra mags for his Enfield. That may be why they are rare.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:27:48 PM
don't worry about the magazines, just get some stripper clips and reload that way.
however, promag makes some magazines, if you want original mags they run about 60 bucks each. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:44:32 PM
I would tend to think that the rifles your dad has are a No.4 Mk1 and No.4 Mk2. with enfields it is important to get everything in the correct order.
FYI enfield magazine were not meant to be taken out and inserted like a modern rifle. as mentioned above they were intended to be loaded by stripper clips. removal of the magazine was for cleaning/ maintenance purposes. if yours feed well i wouldn't even worry about it. stay away from the ProMag magazines. if you want spares invest in originals. if you get stripper clips make sure to do an onlne search for the correct "rim stacking sequence" or they will not load properly in the rifle. enjoy those rifles! Enfields are some of my favorites. Since there is no cheap ammo, I would suggest looking into reloading for the .303brit. advntrjnky |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 8:43:37 PM
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 8:49:44 PM by backbencher]
While Lee may have intended his design to use quick change magazines, the accounting boffins of the British Army were not going to pay for more than 1 magazine per soldier. The Brits still put up a damn high rate of fire in 1914, so much so that some German units reported being engaged by machine guns when they were facing regular (well-trained) British infantry. As usual, Wikipedia is a good starting place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Enfield According to Numrich, the magazines are NOT interchangeable btwn the No 1 Mk 3 & the No 4 Mk 1 & 2: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1139360A&catid=11952 On the Lee Enfields, it's always a good idea to check headspace. Gig 'em, backbencher ETA - Added the word NOT above once I actually READ the Numrich advert. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:52:12 AM
From first hand experience, I can confirm the magazines form the No1 & No4's are not interchangeable.
Stripper clips were the way it is done, they can be used pretty quickly. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:02:20 PM
Nice vids thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:31:19 PM
I have 3 mags for my Enfield. The Pro-Mag's were a terrible fit. And I decided to not fuss with them.
I got my other extra's from What a Country and they fit and function perfectly. Ammo is really the limiting factor with these. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:49:52 PM
Iirc the mags were only removable to make maintainence easier
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Posted: 6/25/2012 12:28:15 AM
1. You have a No4 Mk I and a No 4 Mk II, the mags are interchange between your 2 guns but not eh No 1 or SMLEs
2. Aftermarket mags are crap 3. I agree with everyone else just use stripper clips. Just as fast as a magazine change 4. reload. Your rifles are actually .311 cal so buy cheap 123 gr AK47 bullets and only neck size your brass, and with the litter load it shoots very mildly. Also very accurate. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 5:57:38 AM
Originally Posted By Young-Kiwi:
From first hand experience, I can confirm the magazines form the No1 & No4's are not interchangeable. Stripper clips were the way it is done, they can be used pretty quickly. Heh. I know Mr. Archer personally (though not exactly close friends). I can assuredly state that he was slightly peeved and slightly amused at some of Gunny Ermey's lines there, and that he's a good guy, a funny bastard, and a real hardass (sometimes all at once) in real life. Also a vet of the British Army during the Troubles. Knows his shit. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 7:45:00 PM
Thanks guys. I knew about the stripper clip method, I just didnt realize it before I posted.
Now as far as ammunition goes, how would surplus be, assuming there is any? Surplus 7.62 works fine in my M1D Match Grade, so long as I clean it, wondering how it will do in the Enfield. I'm looking for good price to quality ratio, since I'll be shooting a lot with multiple people (girlfriend, brother, etc). And I just checked the remaining ammo I have (a whopping 4 rounds!) and it is in fact .303, not .313. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 9:17:44 PM
For all intents and purposes there is no surplus .303 brit. There is a good selection of commercial ammo for it and some is fairly affordable. .313" is a common groove diamter for enfields. They generally range from .310" to .314". If you're going to be shooting these rifles regularly i suggest you start reloading.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:49:46 PM
I seriously doubt your rifle is .303 even if it says 303 british on your rifle.
The brits measured the bore different that americans. If you shoot 308 bullets the accuracy will be no where as good as a 311 |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 12:40:02 AM
Originally Posted By ronin556:
I seriously doubt your rifle is .303 even if it says 303 british on your rifle. The brits measured the bore different that americans. If you shoot 308 bullets the accuracy will be no where as good as a 311 You do realize that .303 is the land to land measurement? I'm pretty sure his rifles would measure pretty close to that. FYI that is why americans call their rifles that shoot .308" bullets .30 caliber......the land to land measurement is .300". The brits measure their barrels the same way, they just reference a different part of the bore than we do. Advntrjnky |
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