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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 6:05:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



My rifle has old style everything, I never upgraded. Serial number is in the 900s
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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:20:14 PM EST
Thats cool you guys, im not gonna argue which is better... Just means more ak's for me! :) you know, im not the only one with a love for the kalashnikov! Like I said I love the xcr so I agree with you guys!

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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 7:37:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
How much is an XCR spare parts kit, and what does it include? I am falling in love with my XCR all over again.


I will have to see if i can find the receipt as I can't remember what i paid for the spare parts kits.
I just remember asking Kermit to throw one together for each gun, he did, & i paid for them with the guns.
I'll look at them later as im cleaning them today out of GP. They never really need it, they dont get dirty for a long while.

ETA Photo; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/Joe-A275/IMG_0729.jpg

I found my receipt but it was not itemized, just one total for all of it i sent to Kermit.


excuse my ignorance, but are those basically all the parts that could/do break under normal circumstances on an XCR? I suppose even $125 isn't bad if the parts are good for 10k+ rounds....

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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 8:03:58 PM EST
I recently got a parts kit from Kermit. Contents were:

Spring Clip Guide (1)
Recoil Buffer (1)
Ejector (1) with (2) each of washers and screws
Main Pin and clip (1)
Hammer Axis Pin and Pivot Cotter Pin (1)
Trigger Axis Pin (1)
Trigger Spring (1)
Hammer Spring (1)
Hammer spring heavy (1) for hard primers on Russian ammo
Firing Pin (1)
Firing Pin Spring (1)
Firing Pin Retaining roll pin (1)
Extractor T-slot cone (Detent) (1)
Extractor T-slot spring (1)

Total was around $90.

Only other part that would be good is the gas plug, just in case you launch it by accident. I already had a spare; BTDT.

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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 9:00:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



100 sounds about right, pretty sure thats what it was.
What is BHO?
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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 9:02:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



100 sounds about right, pretty sure thats what it was.
What is BHO?
thanks.


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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 9:02:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
How much is an XCR spare parts kit, and what does it include? I am falling in love with my XCR all over again.


I will have to see if i can find the receipt as I can't remember what i paid for the spare parts kits.
I just remember asking Kermit to throw one together for each gun, he did, & i paid for them with the guns.
I'll look at them later as im cleaning them today out of GP. They never really need it, they dont get dirty for a long while.

ETA Photo; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/Joe-A275/IMG_0729.jpg

I found my receipt but it was not itemized, just one total for all of it i sent to Kermit.


excuse my ignorance, but are those basically all the parts that could/do break under normal circumstances on an XCR? I suppose even $125 isn't bad if the parts are good for 10k+ rounds....


I was so new to the XCR at the time i didnt specify what i wanted. Just asked Kermit to put together any combo of what he thought would be good to have/ what he had.

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Link Posted: 2/18/2012 9:03:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



100 sounds about right, pretty sure thats what it was.
What is BHO?
thanks.


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Dam your fast, lol. Thanks, and duh on my part.
ETA; its late and I've been cleaning my RRA LAR-8's that will soon be for sale to fund my XCR-M's

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Link Posted: 2/19/2012 8:09:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



100 sounds about right, pretty sure thats what it was.
What is BHO?
thanks.


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Dam your fast, lol. Thanks, and duh on my part.
ETA; its late and I've been cleaning my RRA LAR-8's that will soon be for sale to fund my XCR-M's


lol..I've been wondering how I will fund one


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Link Posted: 2/19/2012 2:01:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
How much is an XCR spare parts kit, and what does it include? I am falling in love with my XCR all over again.


I will have to see if i can find the receipt as I can't remember what i paid for the spare parts kits.
I just remember asking Kermit to throw one together for each gun, he did, & i paid for them with the guns.
I'll look at them later as im cleaning them today out of GP. They never really need it, they dont get dirty for a long while.

ETA Photo; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/Joe-A275/IMG_0729.jpg

I found my receipt but it was not itemized, just one total for all of it i sent to Kermit.


excuse my ignorance, but are those basically all the parts that could/do break under normal circumstances on an XCR? I suppose even $125 isn't bad if the parts are good for 10k+ rounds....


More of a "what you might need over a lifetime or loose if your not careful" kit in my estimation. It's built pretty stout.


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Link Posted: 2/19/2012 8:15:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By B44T:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
How much is an XCR spare parts kit, and what does it include? I am falling in love with my XCR all over again.


I will have to see if i can find the receipt as I can't remember what i paid for the spare parts kits.
I just remember asking Kermit to throw one together for each gun, he did, & i paid for them with the guns.
I'll look at them later as im cleaning them today out of GP. They never really need it, they dont get dirty for a long while.

ETA Photo; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/Joe-A275/IMG_0729.jpg

I found my receipt but it was not itemized, just one total for all of it i sent to Kermit.


excuse my ignorance, but are those basically all the parts that could/do break under normal circumstances on an XCR? I suppose even $125 isn't bad if the parts are good for 10k+ rounds....


More of a "what you might need over a lifetime or loose if your not careful" kit in my estimation. It's built pretty stout.



Thats about the size of it!

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Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:21:47 PM EST
Have you actually used any of the parts?

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Link Posted: 2/21/2012 3:40:26 PM EST
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Have you actually used any of the parts?


No, haven't needed them.
Both my XCR-L's are both under 1500 rounds.

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Link Posted: 2/21/2012 3:49:32 PM EST
Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?

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Link Posted: 2/21/2012 5:46:22 PM EST
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Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


I ran into some issues with my XCR-L the other day using Tula, I was on setting 2 I believe, and the problem was I ran about 14 mags as fast as I could while making accurate hits on target and reloading as fast as I could. No issues through that long string of fire at all. The issue came when I set the rifle down (It was snowing at the time to give an idea of temperature) and shot my pistol for a few minutes. I then went and fired a few rounds and got FTE malfunctions that stuck so hard I had to mortar the weapon damned hard to clear it. That happened twice, and once I got heated up again I had no issues. Next time I went out and was shooting a lot in the cold, I just used brass cased. I'll save the Tula for the summer time.

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Link Posted: 2/21/2012 6:35:26 PM EST
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Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


They are my go to 5.56's.
I started with the M16A1 in 1985 & have very little love for it.
To me, the XCR right out of the box used the best of the 3 most popular platforms and none of their
flaws. Those platforms being the M16, AK47, & FAL.

Though many do, I don't use steel case ammo, so I can't comment on how it runs in the XCR.
Mainly because I reload so when I buy new, its brass.
Never any problems with my reloads.


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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 3:39:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



My rifle has old style everything, I never upgraded. Serial number is in the 900s



You owe it to yourself to upgrade at least the trigger and gas block.

If you decide to upgrade the bolt/firing pin and want to sell the old one, send me a PM.
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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:15:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By zero00:
Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


I ran into some issues with my XCR-L the other day using Tula, I was on setting 2 I believe, and the problem was I ran about 14 mags as fast as I could while making accurate hits on target and reloading as fast as I could. No issues through that long string of fire at all. The issue came when I set the rifle down (It was snowing at the time to give an idea of temperature) and shot my pistol for a few minutes. I then went and fired a few rounds and got FTE malfunctions that stuck so hard I had to mortar the weapon damned hard to clear it. That happened twice, and once I got heated up again I had no issues. Next time I went out and was shooting a lot in the cold, I just used brass cased. I'll save the Tula for the summer time.


Mine did this same exact thing all the time. Sent it back and Robinson said the bolt was out of spec and replaced it. It was 100% flawless for the next 1,500 rounds and then on the 1 round of a carbine class it jamed up rock solid and I had to slam it on its stock as hard as I could to clear it. It was fine after that for the rest of the class and 500 rounds. I was shooting Wolf 55gr.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:41:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By zero00:
Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


I ran into some issues with my XCR-L the other day using Tula, I was on setting 2 I believe, and the problem was I ran about 14 mags as fast as I could while making accurate hits on target and reloading as fast as I could. No issues through that long string of fire at all. The issue came when I set the rifle down (It was snowing at the time to give an idea of temperature) and shot my pistol for a few minutes. I then went and fired a few rounds and got FTE malfunctions that stuck so hard I had to mortar the weapon damned hard to clear it. That happened twice, and once I got heated up again I had no issues. Next time I went out and was shooting a lot in the cold, I just used brass cased. I'll save the Tula for the summer time.


Mine did this same exact thing all the time. Sent it back and Robinson said the bolt was out of spec and replaced it. It was 100% flawless for the next 1,500 rounds and then on the 1 round of a carbine class it jamed up rock solid and I had to slam it on its stock as hard as I could to clear it. It was fine after that for the rest of the class and 500 rounds. I was shooting Wolf 55gr.


I just blame the rapid heating and carbon build up from steel cased ammo, and then the rapid cooling. I don't think my bolt is out of spec, and it works without a hitch otherwise. I'm really not worried about it, my AR's would have done the same thing in those conditions.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 2:18:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By zero00:
Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


They are my go to 5.56's.
I started with the M16A1 in 1985 & have very little love for it.
To me, the XCR right out of the box used the best of the 3 most popular platforms and none of their
flaws. Those platforms being the M16, AK47, & FAL.

Though many do, I don't use steel case ammo, so I can't comment on how it runs in the XCR.
Mainly because I reload so when I buy new, its brass.
Never any problems with my reloads.



I cant say i blame you for not loving it, im the same way, i didnt have to deal with it way back then but i still am not much for it. Im hoping they come out with the .300aac blackout barrels for the xcr. I dont really shoot enough to make reloading worth while at the moment but having .300blk and .223 to reload would sure make that sweet.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 2:42:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By LoadedDrum:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By BuddyChryst:
Regarding the parts kit price, you'd have to contact Kermit to verify, but he once quoted me a range of $55-$126, depending on which parts you wanted. Looking at that pic, it has everything except a gas dial, so I'd venture to say around $100 +/-. Also, that pic has the old style BHO, FYI.



My rifle has old style everything, I never upgraded. Serial number is in the 900s



You owe it to yourself to upgrade at least the trigger and gas block.

If you decide to upgrade the bolt/firing pin and want to sell the old one, send me a PM.


I live in NY, the barrel is 14.5 inches plus a welded brake. I tales with Terra awhile ago, and I believe she indicated installing the new gas block would require destroying the brake in the process. I'm not sure it is worth it. I don't really have an issue with the trigger as is, what's the benefit of upgrading it?
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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 4:22:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Originally Posted By zero00:
Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


They are my go to 5.56's.
I started with the M16A1 in 1985 & have very little love for it.
To me, the XCR right out of the box used the best of the 3 most popular platforms and none of their
flaws. Those platforms being the M16, AK47, & FAL.

Though many do, I don't use steel case ammo, so I can't comment on how it runs in the XCR.
Mainly because I reload so when I buy new, its brass.
Never any problems with my reloads.



I cant say i blame you for not loving it, im the same way, i didnt have to deal with it way back then but i still am not much for it. Im hoping they come out with the .300aac blackout barrels for the xcr. I dont really shoot enough to make reloading worth while at the moment but having .300blk and .223 to reload would sure make that sweet.


Tell me about it, try the shit ball mags we had too, with the black followers! The green ones were the so called improvement.
And its so dirty. And way to easy for it to stop running, for a bunch of reasons.
The 300 in the XCR would really be something! Thats for sure.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 6:08:28 PM EST
Ewww non anti-tilt followers are the devil! Even old ass ak mags have anti-tilt. Yep dirty ass system shooting hot gas on the bolt...yuck! Accurate tho!

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Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:58:23 PM EST
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Ewww non anti-tilt followers are the devil! Even old ass ak mags have anti-tilt. Yep dirty ass system shooting hot gas on the bolt...yuck! Accurate tho!


True, I have had some really accurate AR's.
Never had one for work though, just play.

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Link Posted: 2/23/2012 5:31:33 PM EST
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Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


None, I use setting 1 for 5.56, 2 for .223, 3 for steel case. Runs like a rolex.

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Link Posted: 2/23/2012 5:33:20 PM EST
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Have you actually used any of the parts?


Only for illustrative and conversation purposes.

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Link Posted: 2/24/2012 5:17:56 AM EST
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Nice, are they your go to guns? Any issues with steel cased ammo?


None, I use setting 1 for 5.56, 2 for .223, 3 for steel case. Runs like a rolex.


Thats good info to have, thanks B44T!

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Link Posted: 2/24/2012 12:36:19 PM EST
Yea that really is great info to have! Makes sense too i suppose with the differences in quality and pressures between the ammo. I love what im hearing about them! Anyone use the 7.62x39 barrel? How are the mags for the 7.62x39? I used to have a 7.62x39 AR(yea i know really bad carbon build up!) and the c-proudcts mags were craptacular a year or 2 back

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My baby girl got some new clothes... Just because I love her.

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Awww isnt that sweet, better not let the wife know your buying other women clothes and not her!

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Link Posted: 2/24/2012 7:59:47 PM EST
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Awww isnt that sweet, better not let the wife know your buying other women clothes and not her!


I'd have to be dumb enough to have one of those for it to be a problem...
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I have both a 5.56 and 7.62x39. When I got the 7.62, C-Products was already gone. Someone on the xcrforum found ASC and I got 6 mags. So far they've been flawless. There is one issue...the hard primers on the steel stuff can result in light primer strikes. RA has a heavier spring that fixes the issue, but I'm told it changes the sweet trigger a bit. I've been running brass so far, haven't gotten around to ordering a parts kit from Kermit with a heavy spring.

I may have said it earlier in this thread, but I had some beginner shooters out and a couple of them wanted to try my buddies AK, but didn't like the recoil. One fired just a couple shots before setting it down. I gave them my XCR with the 7.62 kit on and didn't tell them it was the same round. They liked shooting it. Couldn't believe it was the same caliber when I told them after they finished.

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ETA some more porn (with 7.62 kit...don't ask about the ducks...it was a "contest"):


I recently changed the stock to the ACR enhanced stock...don't have an updated pic taken yet.

ETA one more thing: I have no noticeable POI shift between 5.56 and 7.62 kits. I kept meaning to bench it and video it to show exactly how little shift there is, but I wouldn't expect that a lot of kits would be so close. I think I just happened to get lucky.

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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 3:04:35 AM EST
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Good info on the POI. I have a 7.62x39 right now and I'm looking at getting some kits for it. What gas setting do you use for 7.62? I got some surplus Yugo ammo and I had to use 3 for it.

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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 4:19:54 AM EST
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Good info on the POI. I have a 7.62x39 right now and I'm looking at getting some kits for it. What gas setting do you use for 7.62? I got some surplus Yugo ammo and I had to use 3 for it.


I have 2 XCRs. On one, the impact point moves 1 1/2" at 50 yd when changing calibers. The other's only been shot in 5.56. On one, 5.56 brass case ammo uses gas setting "1"; for steel case factory ammo it uses "3". In 7.62x39 it uses "2". The other (only used in 5.56) uses "S" for 5.56 brass; it needs "1" for factory steel case ammo. On either one, if not enough gas, I have failures to hold open the action after the mag is empty. Have not tried Yugo surplus; have used 7.62x39 Wolf, Monarch, & Golden Tiger.

Note: reloaded 5.56 steel case ammo uses same gas setting as brass 5.56; it's the FACTORY steel case 5.56 that needs a higher gas setting.

When I first installed the 7.62x39 kit with its heavier hammer spring, it made my trigger pull heavier, which I didn't like. I put back the 5.56 hammer spring and the trigger pull returned to what I liked. I've never had a failure to ignite 7.62x39 primers with the 5.56 hammer spring in place.

Total rounds fired: XCR #1 795rds 5.56 and 1310rds 7.62x39 XCR #2 1987rds 5.56

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I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 10:21:53 AM EST
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I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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I have even thought of picking one up and just getting the rails milled off and doing the mod myself!
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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 10:25:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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I have even thought of picking one up and just getting the rails milled off and doing the mod myself!


I was thinking this too. There's a company doing the same thing on Ultimak AK rails because they're so bulky.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 10:59:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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I have even thought of picking one up and just getting the rails milled off and doing the mod myself!


LoLOLollz happy coincidence, nice that I am not the only one.

I whipped out the Mic's and made drawings,,,just aint gotten around to it.

Your version is probably better than mine though. Mine is something along the lines of square peg+round hole+16 Lb sledge.

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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 12:27:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
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Originally Posted By Dawg180:
I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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I have even thought of picking one up and just getting the rails milled off and doing the mod myself!


I have thought about doing that to one of my XCRs. My only point of concern would be getting it reanodized. Of course that would be a great opportunity to get a custom color.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2012 12:42:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LoadedDrum:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By AEnemaBay:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
I would really like it if Robarms would offer a "slickside" version of the XCR that instead of integral rails had a smooth tube with mounting points for rails.



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I have even thought of picking one up and just getting the rails milled off and doing the mod myself!


I have thought about doing that to one of my XCRs. My only point of concern would be getting it reanodized. Of course that would be a great opportunity to get a custom color.


Re-anodizing wouldn't really be necessary, but it would be nice.

ETA: I may have to get an extra upper and give it a try.
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Link Posted: 2/26/2012 12:10:05 AM EST
For re-anodizing I would just send to U.S. Anodizing, they do great work.

Well gosh, maybe if i have some spare cash laying around I'll pick one up and be the first to try this...

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Link Posted: 2/26/2012 3:21:03 AM EST
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For re-anodizing I would just send to U.S. Anodizing, they do great work.

Well gosh, maybe if i have some spare cash laying around I'll pick one up and be the first to try this...



GAT has a used one that is supposedly unfired for $1299. However, it appeared to be a 18.6 heavy barrel and I don't know how many of the upgrades it had other than the new gas block.

If you know someone who can do the machining I am up for using one of my uppers to try this.
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Link Posted: 2/26/2012 5:57:26 PM EST
Total Silence is the first name to come to mind. Tom posts here as WA-Tom.

The slicked upper I drew up could more accurately be described as almost slick or convertible.
My drawing calls for the rails to be machined off leaving longitudinal dove tail grooves . The hand guard fits these.
Sections of picatinny rail and filler blank are also machined to fit the dovetails to replace what was milled away giving ability to switch from hand guard to rails or partial rails and back.

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Link Posted: 2/26/2012 6:02:46 PM EST
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Total Silence is the first name to come to mind. Tom posts here as WA-Tom.

The slicked upper I drew up could more accurately be described as almost slick or convertible.
My drawing calls for the rails to be machined off leaving longitudinal dove tail grooves . The hand guard fits these.
Sections of picatinny rail and filler blank are also machined to fit the dovetails to replace what was milled away giving ability to switch from hand guard to rails or partial rails and back.


Why not just mill it and set it up to use current pic rail sections like those from magpul or troy?


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Link Posted: 2/26/2012 6:11:43 PM EST
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Someone could do just that.

I like my cake but want to eat it too. I like rails and hand guards that's why I drew up a convertible system that allows for switching back and forth and various combination's of the two.

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Link Posted: 2/28/2012 9:51:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By LoadedDrum:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
For re-anodizing I would just send to U.S. Anodizing, they do great work.

Well gosh, maybe if i have some spare cash laying around I'll pick one up and be the first to try this...



GAT has a used one that is supposedly unfired for $1299. However, it appeared to be a 18.6 heavy barrel and I don't know how many of the upgrades it had other than the new gas block.

If you know someone who can do the machining I am up for using one of my uppers to try this.


Has to be a light barrel if I am getting it!

Boy, it is interesting to see the relatively positive reaction over here compared to another forum where I posted about this! Loaded Drum we'll have to get together so I can take a closer look at your XCR and we can see just how removing the rails would best be accomplished.
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Link Posted: 2/28/2012 2:27:53 PM EST
Hahaha yea it sure is nice to get positive thoughts once in a while!!

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Link Posted: 3/2/2012 9:31:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By LoadedDrum:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
For re-anodizing I would just send to U.S. Anodizing, they do great work.

Well gosh, maybe if i have some spare cash laying around I'll pick one up and be the first to try this...



GAT has a used one that is supposedly unfired for $1299. However, it appeared to be a 18.6 heavy barrel and I don't know how many of the upgrades it had other than the new gas block.

If you know someone who can do the machining I am up for using one of my uppers to try this.


Has to be a light barrel if I am getting it!

Boy, it is interesting to see the relatively positive reaction over here compared to another forum where I posted about this! Loaded Drum we'll have to get together so I can take a closer look at your XCR and we can see just how removing the rails would best be accomplished.


The heavy barrel can be fluted to match the weight of the light barrel

Kampfeld does mighty nice work as does ADCO.

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