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Posted: 9/27/2011 2:46:09 PM EST
The wife unit came home earlier and handed me a sale paper that had some rifles in it from Walmart. I think these seem like pretty good deals!

1) A Remington 770 centerfire special purpose synthetic stock with some kind of bushnell scope that comes with it for $297
2) A Remington 700 centerfire special purpose synthetic stock with what looks like a cheap Remington scope for $397
3) A Marlin 60 autoloading semi-automatic .22 rimfire rifle with monte carlo walnut finished hardwood stock for $157

These seem like reasonable prices?
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Posted: 9/27/2011 2:47:55 PM EST
I posted a topic a while back, and got nothing but trash talk about the 770, and not much better for the 700. The Marlin might be a good price, but I couldn't tell you for sure.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 2:51:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Joenavy85:
I posted a topic a while back, and got nothing but trash talk about the 770, and not much better for the 700. The Marlin might be a good price, but I couldn't tell you for sure.

I figured something that'll be a little beater-bolt action that's not expensive and just something that'd be cheap and fun. Something that'll be good to get my kids started on too.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 3:06:33 PM EST
Well, now that I know that. The 770 might not be bad for a starter. But if you're looking for something that could be a good starter and still be decent for hunting look at the Marlin XS7 or XL7 (short or long action). I just got an XS7 in 308 Win and love it. $320 for a bolt action 308 with a 26" heavy barrel is apparently pretty good. I took it to the range and zeroed the scope at 50 and then took it to the 200 yard range. My first 5 shots made ~2 1/4" group, a little over MOA, IIRC. Not bad in my opinion.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 3:34:02 PM EST
what was said about the 700 is complete bunk....it's proven to be one of the most reliable commercial actions and has complete (quality) aftermarket support. if you find you don't like the econo-plastic stock there are plenty of replacements available.......gun guys generally like the 700, but hate when they are purchased from Walmart. anybody that says the Marlin bolts are a better buy than a sub $400 Remy 700 either doesn't now what he is talking about, drinking someone else's koolaide, or embarassed that he didn't know he could get a 700 sub-$400. I would expect to upgrade it's scope, though.

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Posted: 9/27/2011 3:51:50 PM EST
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had
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Posted: 9/27/2011 3:55:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By advntrjnky:
what was said about the 700 is complete bunk....it's proven to be one of the most reliable commercial actions and has complete (quality) aftermarket support. if you find you don't like the econo-plastic stock there are plenty of replacements available.......gun guys generally like the 700, but hate when they are purchased from Walmart. anybody that says the Marlin bolts are a better buy than a sub $400 Remy 700 either doesn't now what he is talking about, drinking someone else's koolaide, or embarassed that he didn't know he could get a 700 sub-$400. I would expect to upgrade it's scope, though.

advntrjnky


The current quality of Remington firearms is complete shit. I'm not a fan of that mickey mouse cheap ass style of extractor that is on the 700 anyway.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 4:00:19 PM EST
Please for the love of god don't get your firearms from walmart..... Every time you do, a gunshop dies or cries. Seriously, though, don't.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 4:14:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By advntrjnky:
what was said about the 700 is complete bunk....it's proven to be one of the most reliable commercial actions and has complete (quality) aftermarket support. if you find you don't like the econo-plastic stock there are plenty of replacements available.......gun guys generally like the 700, but hate when they are purchased from Walmart. anybody that says the Marlin bolts are a better buy than a sub $400 Remy 700 either doesn't now what he is talking about, drinking someone else's koolaide, or embarassed that he didn't know he could get a 700 sub-$400. I would expect to upgrade it's scope, though.

advntrjnky


Which all may be true, but then again I never said I had first hand knowledge of the 700 being trash, I just said what was told to me when i asked about it. the Marlin XS7 on the other hand i can vouch for.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 4:18:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had


fair enough with that, but he did mention he was looking for one that was mostly for play and fun, not a tack driver.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 5:22:18 PM EST
I understand the optics and rings and everything are going to be junk. I already have a Rem700SPSTac with a 10x Super Sniper, and I just wanted a fun cheap little plinker to get the kids into practicing with the actions and to get a good feel for. Not anything to drive out past 100yrds or anything.

Might slap on a Redfield or something and some weaver rings. I was just hoping they'd at least be suitable for getting the family familiar with the basics.
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Posted: 9/27/2011 5:37:41 PM EST
when it comes to basic firearms training for the family it's hard to beat a .22. Cheap ammo is a definite plus
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Posted: 9/28/2011 5:50:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had

So an 870 Express from Walmart will be of lesser quality than an 870 Express from a gun shop?
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Posted: 9/28/2011 5:55:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had

So an 870 Express from Walmart will be of lesser quality than an 870 Express from a gun shop?


I don't believe this to be true. Nothing the matter with a 700 either. Versions of it are in military service for crying out loud.
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Posted: 9/28/2011 7:11:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had

So an 870 Express from Walmart will be of lesser quality than an 870 Express from a gun shop?


No. They're the exact same shotgun. This gets beaten to death about once a year.
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Posted: 9/28/2011 7:16:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had


No, I do not think Remington manufactures and finishes their guns differently for Wal-Mart vs. Bass Pro Shops on the same exact model. That would not be good business sense on the part of Remington...but then again, Remington has been run by idiots for a while now.
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Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had


No, I do not think Remington manufactures and finishes their guns differently for Wal-Mart vs. Bass Pro Shops on the same exact model. That would not be good business sense on the part of Remington...but then again, Remington has been run by idiots for a while now.


Also potential for some serious lawsuits. The guns are the exact same. And the above poster was right, this gets beaten more than once a year. Bass pro or sportsmans warehouse may just not stock the really low end rem700s that walmart does. They may order the ones with blued finish or wood stocks. That's not to say that they can't be ordered from the big box sporting goods stores.

I would pick up a $400 rem700 just to have a spare action if I ever wanted to do another project in the future. Actions will never be cheaper than this. Same concept as buying a bunch of teh $50 PSA lowers when they're on sale. They could resell for the same price and are cheap enough to have one or two lying around for future projects.

To the OP: I prefer ruger 10/22s over the marlin 60s but everyone says they are good guns. Avoid the 770s. A stevens 200 is a much better gun for the same price. I'm not sold on the marlin xl7 for slightly less money than a remington 700
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Posted: 9/28/2011 9:43:36 AM EST
Local dealer had the 700 combo for the same price as Walmart––-thing is the Walmart gun had the new X-pro trigger(or whatever its called––I don't buy Remingtons) and the dealer's gun had the old dangerous trigger on it.
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Lol gun store BS, most guys prefer the older trigger.
Originally Posted By Omaha-BeenGlockin:
Local dealer had the 700 combo for the same price as Walmart––-thing is the Walmart gun had the new X-pro trigger(or whatever its called––I don't buy Remingtons) and the dealer's gun had the old dangerous trigger on it.


IMHO the first thing to go on a remington is the stock and the second is the X-mark trigger.
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Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By nhsport:
Many times the Wal-Mart guns (at least the ones on sale) are of a lesser quality than the same model available at your local gunstore.
Cheaper grade stock,different finish on metal parts and other cost cutting tricks. Yes it is the same basic gun but with rough fit and finish
one risks somewhat diminished performance and faces certain reduced resale value .

The package deal optics and mounts are usually quite low grade.

If a customer enters into a purchase of one of these "special package" guns with eyes open and the realization that they can not be directly compared
to regular production firearms there are some reasonable deals to be had

So an 870 Express from Walmart will be of lesser quality than an 870 Express from a gun shop?


No. They're the exact same shotgun. This gets beaten to death about once a year.

Exactly what I thought. The 870's from Walmart and Academy look just like the one that I bought from my gun shop.
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Please for the love of god don't get your firearms from walmart..... Every time you do, a gunshop dies or cries. Seriously, though, don't.


This. And then Wal-mart controls the gun supply
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Posted: 9/28/2011 2:45:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By wesmerc:Versions of it are in military service for crying out loud.


Irrelevant, the M40 that's used by the Marines is only based on the 700, they don't take it off the shelf and slap a high end scope to call it a sniper rifle. The rifles that the Marines use are extensively reworked in Quantico, Va by a specialized firearms unit, and other than the barrel there is very little that remains untouched from the factory to The Corps.
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Are the remingtons that Walmart sell stamped "Made In China" ?
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Posted: 9/28/2011 4:21:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joenavy85:
Originally Posted By wesmerc:Versions of it are in military service for crying out loud.


Irrelevant, the M40 that's used by the Marines is only based on the 700, they don't take it off the shelf and slap a high end scope to call it a sniper rifle. The rifles that the Marines use are extensively reworked in Quantico, Va by a specialized firearms unit, and other than the barrel there is very little that remains untouched from the factory to The Corps.


The M40 does not use a Remington barrel.

OP: Stay away from the 770, you'll be disappointed with the accuracy and quality.

Does anyone know where I can get Hoppe's #9 cologne?
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Posted: 9/28/2011 11:38:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Joenavy85:
Well, now that I know that. The 770 might not be bad for a starter. But if you're looking for something that could be a good starter and still be decent for hunting look at the Marlin XS7 or XL7 (short or long action).


No it's a lousy "starter" gun. Lots of bolt binding issues, roughness etc. Would you give a kid a rifle that hard to use on purpose?

In that price range the Savage Apex rifles seem well thought of.
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Originally Posted By USMARINE1108:
Originally Posted By Joenavy85:
Originally Posted By wesmerc:Versions of it are in military service for crying out loud.


Irrelevant, the M40 that's used by the Marines is only based on the 700, they don't take it off the shelf and slap a high end scope to call it a sniper rifle. The rifles that the Marines use are extensively reworked in Quantico, Va by a specialized firearms unit, and other than the barrel there is very little that remains untouched from the factory to The Corps.


The M40 does not use a Remington barrel.

OP: Stay away from the 770, you'll be disappointed with the accuracy and quality.



I stand corrected, but it supports my comment even more.
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