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Posted: 10/25/2010 6:28:16 PM EDT
that you would mount night vision on? My dad is asking for ideas. He already has an M1A, but has concluded it will be too heavy.

Will an AR10 or other .308 AR be any better?
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 6:41:42 PM EDT
I would probably cross out the HK91 lol
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 8:20:53 PM EDT
Noveski Rifleworks 7.62mm Leonidas w/12" barrel.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 8:45:34 PM EDT
Scar Heavy. With a TA11J, sling, rail covers, larue vertical grip. No magazine, 9lbs 14oz.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 5:44:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ViperEH:
Scar Heavy. With a TA11J, sling, rail covers, larue vertical grip. No magazine, 9lbs 14oz.


Exactly what I was going to suggest. If there is one thing FN did right with the SCAR, it is that they kept the weight down.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:11:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
I would probably cross out the HK91 lol


How H&K could build a stamped metal and plastic gun that heavy, I have no clue...

My guess would be SCAR-H or an AR-10 with a carbon fiber FF tube.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:16:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/26/2010 6:17:29 AM EDT by BB]
The AR10 carbine flat top no sight model weighs 7lbs 13oz
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:36:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
I would probably cross out the HK91 lol


How H&K could build a stamped metal and plastic gun that heavy, I have no clue...
My guess would be SCAR-H or an AR-10 with a carbon fiber FF tube.


It is the bolt that makes up a lot of that weight.

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 7:21:46 AM EDT
I second the Noveske Leonidas, or even one of the 16'' models. If you have the scratch go with the Scar17.


Daniel
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:26:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BB:
The AR10 carbine flat top no sight model weighs 7lbs 13oz


+1

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:39:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:49:04 AM EDT
Might also want to tell Dad to thoroughly research any NVD he plans on dropping on a .308.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:08:06 AM EDT
Scar-17s is 8 pounds, and you get a full quad rail.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:25:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
that you would mount night vision on? My dad is asking for ideas. He already has an M1A, but has concluded it will be too heavy.

Will an AR10 or other .308 AR be any better?


What kind of Night Vision?
There's been some recoil related issues with pinnacle tubes.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 10:07:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SchrodingersDog:
Scar-17s is 8 pounds, and you get a full quad rail.


And one magazine with little hope for more anytime soon.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 11:39:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BB:
Originally Posted By SchrodingersDog:
Scar-17s is 8 pounds, and you get a full quad rail.


And one magazine with little hope for more anytime soon.


Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be my first choice either, mostly due to the current price and the mag availability issue. It is rather light, however.

That said my most recent .308 purchase was an RFB. Though a bit heavy at 8.6 pounds, I have no complaints- but then again I don't have to lug it around all day. My main deer/elk rifle (Marlin XS7) is only 6.85 pounds with scope, and that's the only 308 I actually carry any sort of distance.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 4:04:31 PM EDT
Not sure if you could find enough rail space, but the Browning BAR Shortrac is a great shooter and is very light weight.

A .308 BAR Shortrac stalker is 6lbs 10ozs

The FN AR model is the same gun but with a 20 round mag.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 4:44:17 PM EDT
Well I wasn't thinking high tech.

I was thinking lightweight.....Rem 700 Titanium mountain rifle. 22" .308 win weighing in at 5.5 lbs. Recoil might knock the shit out the tube though.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 5:04:52 PM EDT
Well, he decided on a Lightweight BCM 16" midlegnth AR in .223. Hopefully it will work well for him.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:59:10 AM EDT
I love it.


An entire page of replies asking for a given type of .308, and only one suggestion (the very last one) that doesn't automatically assume that the answer needs to be a semi-auto.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:01:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WesJanson:
I love it.


An entire page of replies asking for a given type of .308, and only one suggestion (the very last one) that doesn't automatically assume that the answer needs to be a semi-auto.


Perhaps you should re-read the OP.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:12:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Well, he decided on a Lightweight BCM 16" midlegnth AR in .223. Hopefully it will work well for him.


That will work. He could always switch out to a 6.8 upper.

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:17:14 PM EDT
While he has already purchased, my M1A Scout with synthetic barrel is fairly light. Say, about 8#s.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:26:14 PM EDT
my Saiga carbine is light as fuck. but not such a great rifle for distance shooting
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:40:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2010 6:41:54 PM EDT by Ermac]
Probably my Saiga .308. My AR10,FAL, and M1A is heavier then it. Perhaps the SCAR-H is the lightest .308 rifle if you can afford it.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 2:46:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ermac:
Probably my Saiga .308. My AR10,FAL, and M1A is heavier then it. Perhaps the SCAR-H is the lightest .308 rifle if you can afford it.


I have an AR-10 and an S-308 that are probably lighter than the Scar by a significant amount. I need a good scale to verify this though.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 7:13:14 PM EDT
We need pics

Link Posted: 10/28/2010 7:27:03 PM EDT
Nice...is that a factory Armalite barrel?
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 7:30:05 PM EDT
Yeah, I just got put it on a few days ago.
Link Posted: 10/29/2010 8:09:01 PM EDT
Probably a Savage 99F !

Bob
Link Posted: 10/29/2010 8:09:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Recoil might knock the shit out the tube though.


No, it wont. A good gen 3 tube can take a lot of abuse. We build them to take the recoil of a 50 cal and bigger. A lightweight .308 won't bother it a bit.
Link Posted: 10/30/2010 4:45:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2010 10:36:58 AM EDT
Kel-Tec RFB is jus a hair over 8lbs.
Link Posted: 11/27/2010 3:19:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
that you would mount night vision on? My dad is asking for ideas. He already has an M1A, but has concluded it will be too heavy.

Will an AR10 or other .308 AR be any better?


Probably an AR10 with a ABS carbon barrel. Bring cash, lots of it.
Link Posted: 11/27/2010 3:42:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NVGdude:
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Recoil might knock the shit out the tube though.


No, it wont. A good gen 3 tube can take a lot of abuse. We build them to take the recoil of a 50 cal and bigger. A lightweight .308 won't bother it a bit.


uh yes it will, the housing its put in will have the biggest effect.

The 308 has enough recoil to damage gen 3 tubes, you need to get (insert housing unit here) desigend/built to get around this. You would be foolish to stick a PVS14 on a 308 without researching it.



OP

the lightest possible build would be on the 308 AR series of rifles, you can mix/match to get what you deisre
Link Posted: 11/28/2010 7:38:34 AM EDT
Another vote for the SCAR 17S.
I sold my M1A to help pay for it, and am planning on selling my FAL now that it's been obsoleted by the SCAR. Just as soon as those previously mentioned mags start flowing next month (we'll see).
I like both the M1A and the FAL's, but it was exactly the same reason, they get heavy onced scoped, that made me pony up and lay down twice the money for the SCAR. Haven't regretted it once. Thinking about buying another now that prices are dropping.
Link Posted: 11/29/2010 11:12:36 AM EDT
I have two "light weight " 308 carbines,both are very close in weight. I prefer that SCAR because of the lower recoil.

Link Posted: 11/29/2010 11:56:13 AM EDT
H&R Survivor 6.5lbs
Link Posted: 11/29/2010 6:09:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2010 8:38:40 PM EDT by nmichlig]
sig 542

7.82 pounds.

Superior to all other 308's

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