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Posted: 3/30/2008 1:00:42 PM EDT

[#1]

HIT SOME GEL WITH THAT 8 BORE AND POST PICS!!

Posted: 3/30/2008 5:31:12 PM EDT

[#2]

This is probably the best thread I have seen in my 5 years as a registered member.
Its last almost half as long as my membership!

Ed - Outstanding work!
Thanks for sharing this ongoing work with us.

PLEASE shoot something with the 8ga and POST PICS!!!!
I have to see what that monster can do to a 55 gallon steel drum.

Posted: 3/30/2008 6:26:53 PM EDT

[#3]

THE 8GA FH BELLERED TODAY. It is in Enfield I rigged with
rear locking bolt lugs. 32" barrel, tested 3.3" plastic cases.
Cases are the REM kiln gun cases. With the double cup base.
I shaved base a little so that chamber will fire these as well as
regular 8ga plastic. None of the firing today expanded base cups
at all, so they are real strong cases. Started testing to check
ignition with shotgun primers and to see if cases are any
good. Starting with a 110 gr mouse ball, wad under it, and 150 gr
of Blue Dot, about 5000 fps.. Gun didn't even recoil.Then a
410 gr one at 3000 fps, Then a 770 gr hollowbase slug in a wadcup
up to 2000 so far with 180gr of 7383. Barrel is smoothbore .832"
bore at the muzzle. Ed

Posted: 4/3/2008 10:38:29 PM EDT

[#4]

Some 8GA FH testing- using IMR 4759, 770 gr slug,
top load of 140 gr, got 2500 fps......
Over 10,000 ft lbs..Cases extract easy.
The plastic in 8ga case is twice as thick as
in 12ga cases. Tried 4227 and case is too large
diameter for dependable ignition.So it's
old dependable 4759..Ed

Posted: 4/7/2008 8:22:39 PM EDT

[#5]

Here is picture of Enfield 8GA FH. You can see plastic case
in the port. Box of cases behind, 770 gr and 1050 gr
slugs in front with the 8ga wadcups I use.
Left two slugs are 1050 gr made from 3 oz kiln slugs.
I rounded nose and put in hollow base. Also the
cards and fiber wads used. Slugs are hollowbase, as
it is smooth bore barrel. Ed

Posted: 4/13/2008 11:50:08 PM EDT

[#6]

In picture of the 8ga bolt action you can see the
ring I put on front of bolt to support large diameter
8ga casehead. It is suported against thrust by the
front lugs, and total bolt thrust is supported by rear
lugs and have taken the heavy loads ok.. Ed

Posted: 4/21/2008 7:11:21 PM EDT

[#7]

Here is picture on left of the 12ga hollowpoint slug
with plastic tip. Makes it streamlined, good for 300yds.
And still will expand good thin skinned game-deer.
I put tip in with glue gun in few seconds, and
shaped a point on it with trim knife. Ed

Posted: 4/25/2008 8:45:51 AM EDT

[#8]

I also have two other cartridges with my name
on them that I am promoting. They are my 700HE
and my 585BHE. They both belted straight cases.
Montana Rifle company is coming out with their
big PH action and some guys will be doing my
cases in them.
Info on the 585BHE. It will work in
any gun that handles 505 Gibbs like Enfield, CZ,
Ruger,etc.Mine is in Enfield.Here is picture of
of one next to Trex. And mine holds 15gr more
powder than that Trex case. 585BHE will do 750
grain from 1800 to 2800 fps in my Enfield.
Anyone interested setting up a gun, contact me
I will furnish reamer and 15 free cases. Cases are
headstamped. When done return reamer to me, for
the next guy. I will keep them sharpened. After a
few guys have guns we all will get together with
others wanting some and get a run of brass made.
These cases are all drawn high pressure brass.
I'd like guys to ask for reamer when gun is going
to be ready to chamber, that way reamers get the
most guns done in shortest time.Ed

Posted: 4/30/2008 9:40:13 PM EDT

[#9]

On Fri May 2 8pm on the Science Channel ,they will have
an article about the heavy barrel cannons that shoot
the brass cases for bomb disposal.They are the same as
our 12GA FH case,when resized in my dies and are shown
in this thread a couple months back in picture.
It will show them using them for bomb disposal. Ed

Posted: 5/2/2008 10:51:49 AM EDT

[#10]

Have you shot anything with those yet?

I have to see some damage pics.

Posted: 5/3/2008 3:04:58 PM EDT

[#11]

Guys have killed deer with our 12ga plastic case loads.
Earler in thread is pics of a disintigrating 6 gal pail
of water shot with our long brass 12ga case, 600 gr
at 3000 fps. Ed

Posted: 5/3/2008 3:40:52 PM EDT

[#12]

Ed,

When I stopped posting on shootingsportsman.com I never expected to see more about your projects.

Now I get to continue reading along.

Posted: 5/3/2008 3:52:31 PM EDT

[#13]

Ow. I wince just thinking about shootin that beast.

Posted: 5/6/2008 7:02:21 PM EDT

[#14]

Testing 8GA FH in Enfield, 1050 gr slug in wad cup, 120 gr
of 4759, over 2000 fps. Cases extract easy. Hardly any
base cup expansion...Ed

Posted: 5/11/2008 9:04:58 PM EDT

[#15]

Here is picture of a sectioned 8ga plastic case
showing how heavy and strong it is built. The
plastic is one piece compressioned formed and
the sides of the cases are twice as thick as
12ga cases.You can see the double thickness
of the base cup. Ed

Posted: 5/21/2008 4:33:33 PM EDT

[#16]

Here is picture of the bolt setup for the 8ga
Enfield we did.Also comparison to a Mauser
12ga shotgun bolt conversion, from which
I got the concept. Ed

Posted: 5/21/2008 8:37:19 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Guys have killed deer with our 12ga plastic case loads.
Earler in thread is pics of a disintigrating 6 gal pail
of water shot with our long brass 12ga case, 600 gr
at 3000 fps. Ed

Mother of GOD!!1!11!!1! What kind of FPE does that put out?
Definitely a MEGA-

I lost my conversion charts and stuff in a recent move
and can't for the life of me remember the FPE formula.

Posted: 5/23/2008 7:23:39 AM EDT

[#18]

It is only 12,000 ft lbs. I've had 600gr
up to 3400 in testing. Ed

Posted: 5/29/2008 2:48:28 PM EDT

[#19]

Thought you guys would like this

Royal Armouries commissioned a 2 bore/gauge

There is a video of it being shot on there as well

Posted: 5/30/2008 8:36:39 PM EDT

[#20]

I wish I had that action for the 2 bore case i designed.

I was asked how I got 8ga heavy barrel so quick.
First it is smoothbore, second a 110 bucks total shipping and all.
First I bought a 1.5 inch dia 4130 alloy, heat treated, shaft,
32" long. Then I had a deep hole drilling company drill
a .832" hole in it. Came out centered on both ends.
Then after it got here I used cylinder hone to polish
the inside of the bore. Threaded it, chambered it, and put
in the Enfield bolt action. The heat treating it had was just like
the barrel stock that barrel guys get. Ed.

Posted: 6/2/2008 12:25:36 AM EDT

[#21]

In the article they said they based the action on a falling block harpoon gun action

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:22:39 PM EDT

[#22]

tag thats just too awesome for words! thanks for the great documentation on these builds, very interesting!

Posted: 6/11/2008 8:32:52 PM EDT

[#23]

For those wanting to see video of the 12GA FH in
the Savage busting big pail of water, one of the
kids posted it on Youtube- Titled "Grampa's Cannon".
I just found out that it is on there.
This was the video that the still pictures posted
before, was taken from. They have the sound
muted so as not to hurt camera sound system. Ed

Posted: 6/12/2008 10:13:23 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
For those wanting to see video of the 12GA FH in
the Savage busting big pail of water, one of the
kids posted it on Youtube- Titled "Grampa's Cannon".
I just found out that it is on there.
This was the video that the still pictures posted
before, was taken from. They have the sound
muted so as not to hurt camera sound system. Ed

Grandpa's Cannon

Sound does work in this one.

Absolutely amazing!

Posted: 6/16/2008 11:05:19 PM EDT

[#25]

Load of 12 triple ought buckshot in 8ga. They are
70gr each, total 840 gr, and over 2000 fps with
125 gr of 4759.
Thanks for URL for the waterpail busting video above-- Ed

Posted: 6/23/2008 10:22:20 PM EDT

[#26]

There are now two videos of 12GA FH on YouTube,
exploding big heavy walled pails of water.
The "Grampa's Cannon" one with a long view,
and "Grandpa's First Shot" a closeup video,
the first one, that shows how the top of heavy
shelf got bent. Later kids will do videos showing
muzzle blast and recoil.
Also the 3 ought buckshot from the 8ga load
above goes through 2" hardwood ok. I will test
8ga on waterpail also, to see what happens. Ed

Posted: 6/24/2008 6:50:35 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
There are now two videos of 12GA FH on YouTube,
exploding big heavy walled pails of water.
The "Grampa's Cannon" one with a long view,
and "Grandpa's First Shot" a closeup video,
the first one, that shows how the top of heavy
shelf got bent. Later kids will do videos showing
muzzle blast and recoil.
Also the 3 ought buckshot from the 8ga load
above goes through 2" hardwood ok. I will test
8ga on waterpail also, to see what happens. Ed

Grandpa's First Shot

Grandpa's Cannon is linked on the previous page.

Posted: 6/25/2008 8:59:48 AM EDT

[#28]

That is mutually assured destruction of the planet.

Posted: 6/29/2008 7:27:52 AM EDT

[#29]

I've got extra 28ga alloy rifled barrel now.
So along with first one in Enfield I will be doing one
in Mossberg 695 bolt action. Will add a little weight
to the stock and one of kids will see how it does on
deer this fall.Ed

Oh here is URL of the Grandpa's First Shot Video--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48zTpsgbuk

Posted: 7/3/2008 6:36:43 PM EDT

[#30]

Here is pic of Mossberg 695 that will be the
second 28GA From Hell.You can see long
brass case in the port. Ed

Posted: 7/4/2008 12:42:57 AM EDT

[#31]

Might as well finally ad myself to the never ending thread.

Posted: 7/12/2008 7:28:52 PM EDT

[#32]

Somebody suggested this picture to show the
difference between shotgun powder, factory loads
and our loads in plastic and brass as it relates to
increased powder capacity. Factory 3rd case with
small amount of powder(more wads), 2nd case plastic with
larger amount(less wads), 1st, brass case all powder.
This allows us more volume of slower powder.
Also the Videos, 'Grandpa's Cannon', 'Grandpa's First
Shot', are heading up to 3000 views on Youtube.
Any of you who could pass info about the videos out
over the net, I'd appreciate it. Ed

Posted: 7/12/2008 10:33:16 PM EDT

[#33]

Figure out a commercial rifle and chambering... Me wants. Now.

I have enjoyed your updates and have read on other forums from the beginning. Great stuff.

Posted: 7/16/2008 4:24:03 PM EDT

[#34]

I am not a manufacturer or have the means to
become one You can get 12 gauges in 3.5" chambers now
or have your chamber lengthened and use 3.5" better
loads, or brass from RMC that we are going to test,
in 3.5" length.ED

Posted: 7/16/2008 7:39:59 PM EDT

[#35]

This thread is old...

Posted: 8/6/2008 7:48:20 PM EDT

[#36]

Here is closeup pic of Rob's 12GA FH, a Borchardt falling block
action. Real nice. In picture is along brass 12ga case with one
of Rob's 2000gr bore rider, solid, streamlined slugs. Ed

Posted: 8/8/2008 10:19:26 PM EDT

[#37]

I got my long 700 HE case chambered barrel
finally in a bmg size action. It is barrel
I locked onto an I-beam and got all the
load developement done over the last couple
years. Max load about 23,000 ft lbs.
It weighs 27 lbs, laminated thumbhole stock,
a max size pad, weighted butt, a reinforced
wrist, recoil barrel ring on front of stock.Ed

Posted: 8/9/2008 9:55:31 PM EDT

[#38]

Max load about 23,000 ft lbs.

For the love of God!!!!!

It's good to know that if the Jurassic Park Project ever becomes
a reality, a fellow ARFcom'er has it covered. So, when are you
going into the production phase, and will there be a belt-fed
semi-auto version available to the general public?

Posted: 8/13/2008 4:03:43 PM EDT

[#39]

700 barrels could be fitted on a quad
bmg 50 setup I guess. Take a train to
supply the bullets.
Here is pic of my 700 case on the right,
in comparison with a 700NE left, and our
12GA FH center. It's loaded with a 1000 gr
jacketed bullet in the picture.Ed

Posted: 8/23/2008 7:11:35 PM EDT

[#40]

Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica
that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE.
That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine
article in Very High Power...Ed

Posted: 8/23/2008 9:12:03 PM EDT

[#41]

Quigley, eat your heart out!

Posted: 8/25/2008 6:35:48 PM EDT

[#42]

Yep that guy is a really great craftman.Got great strenght
and still has the old time flavor. ED

Posted: 8/28/2008 7:34:24 PM EDT

[#43]

Here is a pic of a projectile idea Rob had. We will test it later
this fall, It is 12ga bore rider design Body is Aluminum, and it
will have a heavy 50 cal insert in the nose made from tungsten
or similiar metals. In the picture he put a 50 cal bullet in for
show. The insert in the nose will be flush with front of the
AL carrier. It should be stable at slow twists and if built
with back and front same diameter stable in smoothbores.
The long lighter tail-end compared to heavy nose insert
will make it stable. Same principle Brenekke uses. This idea
is being explored to try to get superior penetration
from 12ga, with heavy, hard insert in the nose.Ed

Posted: 8/28/2008 9:16:57 PM EDT

[#44]

That is one mean lookin sunovabitch.

Posted: 8/29/2008 9:04:45 PM EDT

[#45]

We all here like it too. Interesting the
things and equipment we're doing.Ed

Posted: 8/29/2008 9:13:30 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Here is a pic of a projectile idea Rob had. We will test it later
this fall, It is 12ga bore rider design Body is Aluminum, and it
will have a heavy 50 cal insert in the nose made from tungsten
or similiar metals. In the picture he put a 50 cal bullet in for
show. The insert in the nose will be flush with front of the
AL carrier. It should be stable at slow twists and if built
with back and front same diameter stable in smoothbores.
The long lighter tail-end compared to heavy nose insert
will make it stable. Same principle Brenekke uses. This idea
is being explored to try to get superior penetration
from 12ga, with heavy, hard insert in the nose.Ed

www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_01741.jpg

JESUS!!!!! Isn't that pushing 'DD' territory?

Don't take me wrong, I like it a lot!!!!! Wow!!!!!

So, you did that test with the five gallon bucket a while back.
On what are going to film this one being tested?!?!?

Posted: 8/30/2008 8:31:22 PM EDT

[#47]

As long as it can fire from any length 12ga case in any
length chamber, anddoesn't have an explosive it isn't
a DD. As for testing we will test two things, stability and
penetration in about 6 ft of wood.Ed

Posted: 8/30/2008 8:36:36 PM EDT

[#48]

Gottcha. Damn, that's cool!

Posted: 9/3/2008 7:53:23 PM EDT

[#49]

Here is another view of my 700HE blaster,
that I got rigged up on an action and stock.
Side view shows action with a aperture sight I
rigged up. Also cases. On left is 700H 3.25" case.
Center my 700HE, what the gun in picture has now.
Good for nearly 23,000 ft lbs, we attained in
a work up in testing with the barrel as a test
barrel with screw on testing receiver....Ed

Posted: 9/3/2008 8:01:35 PM EDT

[#50]

You've probably been asked this a thousand times, but what's
one of those going to cost, once you get it all worked out? TIA!

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