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 bchance1
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Posted: 4/21/2012 10:10:16 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT -How did it hold up? -What did you use? (Cerakote, Krylon, ect) -Pics? |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:21:03 AM
Have put CeraKote "H" series over NP3 on a couple uppers (just on the exterior). We maked off the interior and barrel threads. Blasted the uppers enough to get the coating to stick. Guess its done well so far, havent gotten a complaint and we did them about 6 months or so ago.
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SevenMaryThree
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:27:47 AM
....but why?!?!
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bchance1
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:30:52 AM
Well I like the advantages of the coatings but not the bright reflective nature on the exterior.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 9:36:23 AM
Originally Posted By bchance1:
Well I like the advantages of the coatings but not the bright reflective nature on the exterior. I hear ya if black is your thing. However, as the owner of a couple of firearms with NP3, I don't know that I'd call it bright or reflective......... |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 9:47:25 AM
Yes I have a Springfield xdm in NP3. You are right it's not bad reflective. I am debating between that and NiB. It appears NiB is more reflective but may hold up better due to its hardness. Also been told NiB can be painted. And it appears to be cheaper.
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SevenMaryThree
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Posted: 5/4/2012 10:04:25 AM
Originally Posted By bchance1: Yes I have a Springfield xdm in NP3. You are right it's not bad reflective. I am debating between that and NiB. It appears NiB is more reflective but may hold up better due to its hardness. Also been told NiB can be painted. And it appears to be cheaper. I just had a Gen 3 Glock slide NP3'd. It was the older, matte finished slide. Honestly, in dim light, I have a hard time telling the difference between the3 original black matte and the new dark silver matte. As far as NP3 holding up...I think the harder and more uneven application of NiB has a greater likelihood of chipping, especially around radiused edges. NP3 is guaranteed for life and is a transferable warranty. As far as cheaper, yes...there is nothing cheap about NP3. In the big scheme of things I was not concerned with the 20-25% difference in cost. |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 11:26:21 AM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
As far as NP3 holding up...I think the harder and more uneven application of NiB has a greater likelihood of chipping, especially around radiused edges. NP3 is guaranteed for life and is a transferable warranty. I have not seen anything about NiB chipping or being uneven. My NiB BCG has been outstanding and I would assume the edges of the lugs would be where you would see those problems. Have you had personal experience with these problems? Or can you point me to where you learned this? I have read a lot about NiB coated BCG and Receivers. I have seen very few NP3 receivers or reports on them. From personal experience only NP3 is slicker, and I like the looks better. But my NiB has held up under the exact conditions I am looking for and seems to be generally accepted to wear better with a harder rockwell rating. |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 8:07:11 PM
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 8:19:59 PM by Glock35]
I'd consult Robar or NIC Industries. Plenty of coatings will not adhere well to NP3.
mp5/40 carrier & receiver coated, rec painted black, carrier left alone (raw np3) |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 8:14:39 PM
Originally Posted By bchance1: Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree: As far as NP3 holding up...I think the harder and more uneven application of NiB has a greater likelihood of chipping, especially around radiused edges. NP3 is guaranteed for life and is a transferable warranty. I have not seen anything about NiB chipping or being uneven. My NiB BCG has been outstanding and I would assume the edges of the lugs would be where you would see those problems. Have you had personal experience with these problems? Or can you point me to where you learned this? I have read a lot about NiB coated BCG and Receivers. I have seen very few NP3 receivers or reports on them. From personal experience only NP3 is slicker, and I like the looks better. But my NiB has held up under the exact conditions I am looking for and seems to be generally accepted to wear better with a harder rockwell rating. I got it out of a handout in the Robar showroom....lol. |
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Posted: 5/5/2012 8:14:13 PM
[Last Edit: 5/5/2012 8:21:06 PM by AEnemaBay]
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Originally Posted By bchance1:
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
As far as NP3 holding up...I think the harder and more uneven application of NiB has a greater likelihood of chipping, especially around radiused edges. NP3 is guaranteed for life and is a transferable warranty. I have not seen anything about NiB chipping or being uneven. My NiB BCG has been outstanding and I would assume the edges of the lugs would be where you would see those problems. Have you had personal experience with these problems? Or can you point me to where you learned this? I have read a lot about NiB coated BCG and Receivers. I have seen very few NP3 receivers or reports on them. From personal experience only NP3 is slicker, and I like the looks better. But my NiB has held up under the exact conditions I am looking for and seems to be generally accepted to wear better with a harder rockwell rating. I got it out of a handout in the Robar showroom....lol. NiB is basically an electroless nickel solution with Boron particles suspended and constantly circulated by way of a chemical pump. Electroless nickel is hailed for its even coverage on all type of substrates like cylinders where other plated coatings like hard chrome would build up thick on the corners and build hardly at all within the cylinder. I think it's pretty funny that Robar would say that NiB would coat uneven when even their NP3 plating is based on the same electroless nickel but just with different additives. I do love the color and sheen that you get with NP3 than what you get with NiB or just straight EN. |
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Posted: 5/5/2012 8:58:53 PM
So AEnemaBay do you think NP3 would hold up just as well as NiB in an reciever set?
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Posted: 5/5/2012 11:31:50 PM
Originally Posted By bchance1:
So AEnemaBay do you think NP3 would hold up just as well as NiB in an reciever set? Yes, it should be just fine. Where NP3 would be great for internals is that it has a higher lubricity due to the Teflon additive. But I think that standard EN by itself is fairly slick. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 12:07:28 AM
as stated by the mfg & users, np3 holds up very well.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 1:26:39 AM
I think we're probably picking nits.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 10:41:33 PM
I "researched" coatings a few years ago & remember reading that the Teflon that makes NP3 so slick, also makes it less apt to adhere to the substrate it is applied to - hence Robar agreeing to replace if it peels. I've never used it, tho.
I have quite a few NiB parts & have never had it chip or peel. Even had my YHM QD flash Hiders for suppressors coated & they have held up to the abuse wonderfully. |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 10:23:53 AM
[Last Edit: 5/10/2012 10:30:28 AM by Glock35]
saw there's a thread on-going via silencertalk too
although a google query of "np3" will yield plenty (ex: Diamond something coating for knives uses NP3) *don't forget, using "site:websiteURL words you are searching for" works great too |
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