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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:10:26 AM EDT
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Posting in a man's thread saying you spent money with a competitor on the product that the thread is about is a bolt strategy. Let's see if it pays off. Nope. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:13:23 AM EDT
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Almost as bold as telling someone where to spend their money. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:41:58 AM EDT
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This also isn't the Industry forum.
Why are we having such a hard time with the free exchange of ideas here? You post something about another product and you're a troll. You post something about a competitive price and you're a douche. There's not much the OPs can do if FLIR doesn't do them any favors in terms of demand creation. It's unfortunate that FLIR seems to leave all the ground level marketing to their resellers, but these same resellers sell ALL the competing products. I still don't get this religion-like fanaticism that seems to be demanded in FLIR threads. -Stooxie |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:52:11 AM EDT
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Before this gets too serious, I don't care enough to argue about it. Just wanted to mention something, didn't mean to start any BS.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:54:38 PM EDT
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I'm sure I'm beginning to sound like a broken record at this point but as the OP, I'd like to once again, attempt to bring this "tech" thread back on topic with some technical info. Please assist me in my efforts and let's proceed with that in mind.
A question was asked regarding the Bluetooth feature on the PTS233 and what it does. We finally have a response from FLIR. The Thermosight PTS uses a Bluetooth 4.2 connection, purely for control of the scope settings through a soon to be released app. This app will duplicate the function of the button panel. The optional Joystick (remote) is not Bluetooth but a 900 MHz radio frequency in the US, similar to an cordless phone. Each joystick must be “learned” by an individual scope, there is no way to accidentally change the setting of your buddies scope instead of yours. I hope this clears up any confusion some of you may have had. I know it did for me. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:00:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:22:19 PM EDT
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This also isn't the Industry forum. Why are we having such a hard time with the free exchange of ideas here? You post something about another product and you're a troll. You post something about a competitive price and you're a douche. There's not much the OPs can do if FLIR doesn't do them any favors in terms of demand creation. It's unfortunate that FLIR seems to leave all the ground level marketing to their resellers, but these same resellers sell ALL the competing products. I still don't get this religion-like fanaticism that seems to be demanded in FLIR threads. -Stooxie TNVC answered a lot of questions in previous threads on the IR Defense thermal I bought. Had I bought it elsewhere I wouldn't have posted buying from a competing company in their thread. Just my .02, it's worth what you paid for it. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:01:08 PM EDT
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It just doesn't take much to light the fuse on someone's tampon these days. Everyone is so self righteous that they turn everything into an argument or a fight. No wonder our country is so divided.
Tom, thanks for the info on the bluetooth and remote. I'll be curious as to how those features would be used in the field. For example, to use the app to adjust the sight, you'd have to take your eye out of the eyepiece and lose zero. If you do that, why wouldn't it be just as easy to use the controls on the sight itself? I'm sure there is good use for it, I just don't know what it is, so I'm hoping you or someone with experience can share how to best put those features to use. I've got a couple things to sell to raise some capital for this, but when I do, I'll be in touch. Thanks again for sharing about both amazing devices, the Flir and Pulsar. I'm leaning strongly toward the Flir, but I"ll be watching closely to learn more about both of them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:45:32 PM EDT
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It just doesn't take much to light the fuse on someone's tampon these days. Everyone is so self righteous that they turn everything into an argument or a fight. No wonder our country is so divided. Tom, thanks for the info on the bluetooth and remote. I'll be curious as to how those features would be used in the field. For example, to use the app to adjust the sight, you'd have to take your eye out of the eyepiece and lose zero. If you do that, why wouldn't it be just as easy to use the controls on the sight itself? I'm sure there is good use for it, I just don't know what it is, so I'm hoping you or someone with experience can share how to best put those features to use. I've got a couple things to sell to raise some capital for this, but when I do, I'll be in touch. Thanks again for sharing about both amazing devices, the Flir and Pulsar. I'm leaning strongly toward the Flir, but I"ll be watching closely to learn more about both of them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:43:29 PM EDT
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In Texas, which you now know is larger than Indiana, we sometimes have to scan fields that are over 1000 yards wide. When you put the scope on top of your truck in a pan/tilt housing, you will be thankful for the iPhone app and its wireless Bluetooth capability. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:19:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2017 6:33:54 PM EDT
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Does the Thermosight Pro have any IPX rating? I saw that the Pulsar has IPX 7 rating. I'd like to know that such an expensive unit could at least handle the rain.
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:20:52 PM EDT
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Does the Thermosight Pro have any IPX rating? I saw that the Pulsar has IPX 7 rating. I'd like to know that such an expensive unit could at least handle the rain. Don't quote me on this but it probably has a minimal submersion rating. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 8:54:45 PM EDT
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It does. Don't quote me on this but it probably has a minimal submersion rating. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 3:04:10 PM EDT
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Weird, I know I've read it somewhere but didnt see it on flir website either.
I would have sworn I read IP67 rating somewhere. Maybe not? I'm sure it's at least rain proof? |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Weird, I know I've read it somewhere but didnt see it on flir website either. I would have sworn I read IP67 rating somewhere. Maybe not? I'm sure it's at least rain proof? I sent Flir an email to ask about it. I'm guessing I'll hear from them in a day or two, and I'll share what they say. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 4:45:27 PM EDT
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Weird, I know I've read it somewhere but didnt see it on flir website either. I would have sworn I read IP67 rating somewhere. Maybe not? I'm sure it's at least rain proof? From: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1353643-REG/flir_tab173wn9rx001_thermosight_pro_pts_233.html It's not on the NGI website. That was the first place I looked. Tom, I tried, brotha! |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 6:48:20 PM EDT
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So if one was to hack the pts233 for a head mount how could you go about it?
I find all the mounting options very confusing.Im sure down the road ill wind up with other NV or Thermal. So would i get a will wilcox shoe and mount it up? Since it isnt made for it i could remove the rail, use the rail, or so i dont modify anything just buy a ADM mount and attach a shoe to it. I know none of this is ideal, but what would you hackjobs out there do? Im dieing to get my unit. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 8:51:12 PM EDT
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Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. The Pulsar is submersible. I just don't like the green view as much as some of the color options on the Flir. I'd love to find that the Flir can handle a good hard rain, at least. I sent Flir an email to ask about it. I'm guessing I'll hear from them in a day or two, and I'll share what they say. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 10:28:00 PM EDT
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Is there any way to mount a magnifier behind one of these to allow 3X-6X magnification without the loss of resolution from using the FLIR digital magnification?
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Posted: 8/27/2017 10:53:23 PM EDT
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Is there any way to mount a magnifier behind one of these to allow 3X-6X magnification without the loss of resolution from using the FLIR digital magnification? When you add a magnifier to a TWS (not a collimated Clip-On TWS) you normally add a larger germanium lens to the objective lens, not a magnified lens to the ocular in order to avoid collimation issues. Here is a 60mm germanium lens added on to the 35mm germanium objective of my FLIR M-18: 
Here is my M-18 without the 60mm objective magnifier: 
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Posted: 8/27/2017 11:51:02 PM EDT
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So if one was to hack the pts233 for a head mount how could you go about it? I find all the mounting options very confusing.Im sure down the road ill wind up with other NV or Thermal. So would i get a will wilcox shoe and mount it up? Since it isnt made for it i could remove the rail, use the rail, or so i dont modify anything just buy a ADM mount and attach a shoe to it. I know none of this is ideal, but what would you hackjobs out there do? Im dieing to get my unit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:36:33 AM EDT
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I dont know what you mean by the threads being workable..the qd mount on the pts233 obviously can be removed because There is the other mount that NGI mentioned would be available,yes it would be mounted upsidedown.
Thats why i meant i would utilize the side rail or the tapped hole that attach it. So the buttons would be on the side. Its hard to speculate. Ill have to wait till i have it in hand to see if its even worthwhile.all the mounts are quite expensive if just mounting a $2k unit |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 1:43:02 PM EDT
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Spoke with FLIR today. They confirmed IP67 on waterproof rating.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 2:20:12 PM EDT
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I dont know what you mean by the threads being workable. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 2:21:05 PM EDT
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Spoke with FLIR today. They confirmed IP67 on waterproof rating. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:41:17 PM EDT
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What'd they say about shipping and efforts to fix the video-recording bugs? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 7:12:59 PM EDT
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No, it is not a collimated Clip-On TWS. When you add a magnifier to a TWS (not a collimated Clip-On TWS) you normally add a larger germanium lens to the objective lens, not a magnified lens to the ocular in order to avoid collimation issues. Here is a 60mm germanium lens added on to the 35mm germanium objective of my FLIR M-18: http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20M18%20Recon/FLIR%20M18%2060mm%20lens2.jpg Here is my M-18 without the 60mm objective magnifier: http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20M18%20Recon/FLIR%20M18.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there any way to mount a magnifier behind one of these to allow 3X-6X magnification without the loss of resolution from using the FLIR digital magnification? When you add a magnifier to a TWS (not a collimated Clip-On TWS) you normally add a larger germanium lens to the objective lens, not a magnified lens to the ocular in order to avoid collimation issues. Here is a 60mm germanium lens added on to the 35mm germanium objective of my FLIR M-18: http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20M18%20Recon/FLIR%20M18%2060mm%20lens2.jpg Here is my M-18 without the 60mm objective magnifier: http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20M18%20Recon/FLIR%20M18.jpg |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:22:22 PM EDT
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Spoke with FLIR today. They confirmed IP67 on waterproof rating. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 11:44:03 PM EDT
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What I mean is that I don't know whether the PTS233's female threads (the ones that hold the AD mount) are something that would accept a j-arm or dovetail. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 7:21:47 AM EDT
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Updates? Where are they?
This is worse than waiting on an NFA approval. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:44:05 AM EDT
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Ordered my unit on 8-4-17 and was told 2 or maybe 3 weeks out.
I sent an email to nightgoogles the other day asking what our ETA was with no response. 
I guess I'll send another...... |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:47:36 AM EDT
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yeah, any word on shipping? ^^ I can hardly wait... I hope since he has filled his "pre-order limit" he hasn't just disappeared on us?!?! |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:50:34 AM EDT
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I'm waiting until they start shipping to place an order.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:01:36 PM EDT
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To be totally transparent here, we haven't responded because we still don't know. Waiting on a definitive answer from FLIR at this point. I'm really sorry fellas. We're just as anxious to get them as you are. Hopefully, we'll hear from FLIR this week.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:56:17 PM EDT
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Im curiois how many units NGI ordered VS have sold.
Like a dick i ordered from optics planet.i thought it was a good idea.now that i am having a hard time about a different item im remembering the one other time i ordered optics from optics planet which i had forgotten. I ended up waiting months and ended up canceling later and paying MSRP somewhere else. Ultimately i was unhappy and overpaid for my purchase. I am not sure where i am at now... or if i should order a diffenr aimimg device and getting thermals and NG. I would have been happied if i receive what i ordered.. now im rethinking everything. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 6:18:39 AM EDT
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What are you worrying about, sounds like you're in the same boat as everyone else.
-Stooxie |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 7:59:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:48:04 AM EDT
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True, it just seems like everything is being difficult lately.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 7:21:12 AM EDT
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These things seem to be out of stock everywhere now. Are there reported problems with units, production problems, or just high demand?
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Posted: 9/9/2017 10:21:19 AM EDT
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These things seem to be out of stock everywhere now. Are there reported problems with units, production problems, or just high demand? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:18:48 AM EDT
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They were never "in" stock. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 3:51:11 PM EDT
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How did TNVC and Night Goggles get their hands on them, then? Did they just have demo units? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 6:42:09 PM EDT
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Correct, pre-production units we were testing. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 6:47:49 PM EDT
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Did they give an indication as to how close the pre-production unit was to what the production units will be, in terms of image quality and/or features? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 7:14:05 PM EDT
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Production units are light years ahead of of pre-production Beta units with all the updates in software, firmware, and button ergonomics. That is specifically what the Beta units were designed for. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 7:48:23 PM EDT
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Haha, that's simple.
They specifically told the Beta unit users to abuse the shit out of them and report back what deficiencies arose or improvements they would like to see in the production models. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 9:21:00 PM EDT
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Haha, that's simple. They specifically told the Beta unit users to abuse the shit out of them and report back what deficiencies arose or improvements they would like to see in the production models. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 9:21:59 PM EDT
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Hmm, maybe not
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:01:45 PM EDT
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Production units are light years ahead of of pre-production Beta units with all the updates in software, firmware, and button ergonomics. That is specifically what the Beta units were designed for. |
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