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Posted: 8/3/2017 9:37:40 PM EDT
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I really like FLIR's palettes, especially the Ironbow.
I guess I'm breathing a little sigh of relief, so far nothing is making me regret my Pulsar Helion XP38 and Trail XP50. I still think this doesn't have to be some "who is best" contest. People value different things. Biggest issue I see with the FLIR product right now is battery life. I sure hope any battery pack with a USB Type C cable will do. I was powering/recharging my Pulsar off a 26,000mah USB battery at scout camp last week. No problems at all. The pics/video above show some beautiful images, for sure(!!), but so far it still feels like FLIR is playing catch up in terms of features and functions. Just an observation, not trying to bash. I'd love to see some crazy cool capabilities that really exercise the Boson core. For the authorized vendors in this thread, any thoughts on whether or not FLIR's had a change of heart regarding bringing new features with future firmware upgrades? My lack of faith in that regard is the single biggest reason I have for not getting back on the FLIR wagon. My guess would be the feature list out of the box is going to be essentially it. Thanks, -Stooxie |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:00:03 AM EDT
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Correct. Not yet anyway. Please clarify. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:10:34 AM EDT
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Your answer conflicts with what the spec sheet says. The spec sheet says the unit can be powered through the USB-C port via 5V DC current. A power-pack such as the Anker PowerCore 10000 should therefore sufficiently power the unit. Please clarify. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:08:58 AM EDT
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Does thermal detect trolls?...or is that a different spectrum?
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:52:18 AM EDT
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The only thing I don't understand is why you are apologizing for saving YOUR money. This discussion occurring on a vendor initiated thread doesn't mean anyone owes the vendor anything. Or has cronyism replaced capitalism on ARFcom? My running theory is all the socially normal people are out being socially normal because they no longer fear impeding legislation against our "hobby" for lack of a better term. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:41:13 AM EDT
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Your answer conflicts with what the spec sheet says. The spec sheet says the unit can be powered through the USB-C port via 5V DC current. A power-pack such as the Anker PowerCore 10000 should therefore sufficiently power the unit. Please clarify. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:49:24 AM EDT
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Does thermal detect trolls?...or is that a different spectrum? Glad we're not the only one who see's it. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:10:20 PM EDT
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His reply will be that they haven't turned on that capability in the firmware yet. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:17:45 PM EDT
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BTW, the firmware and the software improvements incorporated into the production units is considerably improved over the Beta testing units, the last software update increased battery life by 25%.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:37:20 PM EDT
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BTW, the firmware and the software improvements incorporated into the production units is considerably improved over the Beta testing units, the last software update increased battery life by 25%. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:23:37 PM EDT
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The reason I replied, "not yet anyway" is because the Beta unit that we tested didn't have that capability. After double checking with FLIR, the production units will have that capability so no worries there. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:00:01 PM EDT
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I watched the small handful of videos that are out on these so far hoping I would convince myself I didn't need to spend $2k....
It looks like I need to spend $2k. A few newbish questions: I noticed the mount rides low and far back, would it interfere with a lower profile BUIS like the magpul mbus pros? One of the things that captures me with this is the ability to use several sighting profiles to swap around on rifles, and I'd love to be able to just toss it onto my 15-22 for home pest elimination at a moments notice, but if it didn't clear the sights, it wouldn't exactly be quick attaching. Would you suggest this as someones FIRST and ONLY NV/Thermal sight for hunting/predator elimination? I see a lot of talk about identifying targets, from the videos ya'll have posted, it seems this would do that just fine, but I've seen others say thermal is for detection, NV is for identification. I also am worried about resolution with the 320 core at 4x digital magnification (giving an overall 6x if my math adds up), some of the demo videos show a rather grainy and crappy picture at higher magnification, is this mostly due to the higher humidity levels during testing giving bad reads, or does a hog at 150 yards really look like its built out of colorful cinder blocks? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:41:54 PM EDT
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I watched the small handful of videos that are out on these so far hoping I would convince myself I didn't need to spend $2k.... It looks like I need to spend $2k. A few newbish questions: I noticed the mount rides low and far back, would it interfere with a lower profile BUIS like the magpul mbus pros? One of the things that captures me with this is the ability to use several sighting profiles to swap around on rifles, and I'd love to be able to just toss it onto my 15-22 for home pest elimination at a moments notice, but if it didn't clear the sights, it wouldn't exactly be quick attaching. Would you suggest this as someones FIRST and ONLY NV/Thermal sight for hunting/predator elimination? I see a lot of talk about identifying targets, from the videos ya'll have posted, it seems this would do that just fine, but I've seen others say thermal is for detection, NV is for identification. I also am worried about resolution with the 320 core at 4x digital magnification (giving an overall 6x if my math adds up), some of the demo videos show a rather grainy and crappy picture at higher magnification, is this mostly due to the higher humidity levels during testing giving bad reads, or does a hog at 150 yards really look like its built out of colorful cinder blocks? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:54:39 PM EDT
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This might be my first foray in to thermal. Looks pretty cool. Priced right for sure.
All things considered, for those well versed, how does this sucker stack up as a first and likely only thermal purchase? Would it be foolish to also consider this a stand alone thermal monocular of sorts? And last question. Any ball park idea as to the expected functional life of these things? Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:14:04 PM EDT
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This might be my first foray in to thermal. Looks pretty cool. Priced right for sure. All things considered, for those well versed, how does this sucker stack up as a first and likely only thermal purchase? Would it be foolish to also consider this a stand alone thermal monocular of sorts? And last question. Any ball park idea as to the expected functional life of these things? Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:15:13 PM EDT
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awesomeness herein....
will this unit handle recoil impulse of a suppressed 9mm AR carbine ? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:15:08 PM EDT
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95% Confidence Interval MTBF = 20,000 operational hours on the microbolometer core.
7.62mm X 51mm recoil rated. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 2:27:04 AM EDT
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I watched the small handful of videos that are out on these so far hoping I would convince myself I didn't need to spend $2k.... It looks like I need to spend $2k. A few newbish questions: I noticed the mount rides low and far back, would it interfere with a lower profile BUIS like the magpul mbus pros? One of the things that captures me with this is the ability to use several sighting profiles to swap around on rifles, and I'd love to be able to just toss it onto my 15-22 for home pest elimination at a moments notice, but if it didn't clear the sights, it wouldn't exactly be quick attaching. Would you suggest this as someones FIRST and ONLY NV/Thermal sight for hunting/predator elimination? I see a lot of talk about identifying targets, from the videos ya'll have posted, it seems this would do that just fine, but I've seen others say thermal is for detection, NV is for identification. I also am worried about resolution with the 320 core at 4x digital magnification (giving an overall 6x if my math adds up), some of the demo videos show a rather grainy and crappy picture at higher magnification, is this mostly due to the higher humidity levels during testing giving bad reads, or does a hog at 150 yards really look like its built out of colorful cinder blocks? As far the MBUS is concerned, there's enough space beneath the PTS233 for an MBUS if you have enough room to mount if far enough forward. A collapsible stock would certainly help for eye relief. My stock is somewhat fixed so I mounted it back as far as possible. Thermal is perfectly suited for small game, varmints, predators, nuisance animals, etc. The detection is astounding. You can literally see field mice in pitch black at 100 plus yards with the PTS233. The clarity issues you're seeing while zooming is common with ALL thermal devices that use a digital zoom. The reason is because each time you zoom, you cut your current resolution in half. So a 320 resolution thermal, such as the PTS233, at 2x zoom the resolution is only 160. 4x zoom is now only 80 resolution. Hence the blocky, blurry looking images. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 2:38:35 AM EDT
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95% Confidence Interval MTBF = 20,000 operational hours on the microbolometer core. 7.62mm X 51mm recoil rated. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 2:42:04 AM EDT
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This might be my first foray in to thermal. Looks pretty cool. Priced right for sure. All things considered, for those well versed, how does this sucker stack up as a first and likely only thermal purchase? Would it be foolish to also consider this a stand alone thermal monocular of sorts? |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:17:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:45:59 AM EDT
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The 640 version is coming in 2018 from what's been posted here.
Can someone take a rough guess as to what that may translate to in unit cost, as well as it being worth the wait over this initial offering? |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:53:26 AM EDT
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Anyone have a good comparison of FLIR vs the ATN's which seem to have lots of whizz bang bells and whistles?
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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:47:02 AM EDT
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Anyone have a good comparison of FLIR vs the ATN's which seem to have lots of whizz bang bells and whistles? ATN=Harbor Freight FLIR=Craftsman
Seriously though. From the research we've done, the failure rate of ATN products is substantially more than anyone else out there. Which is why we don't sell them. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 1:35:22 PM EDT
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The 640 version is coming in 2018 from what's been posted here. Can someone take a rough guess as to what that may translate to in unit cost, as well as it being worth the wait over this initial offering? This is based on the difference between FLIR Thermosight 320 and 640 over on TNVC. It's a complete guess, BTW. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 1:47:58 PM EDT
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The PTS233 would make a great entry level thermal, first thermal, only thermal, addition to thermal family, adopted step thermal-once removed, etc. As far the MBUS is concerned, there's enough space beneath the PTS233 for an MBUS if you have enough room to mount if far enough forward. A collapsible stock would certainly help for eye relief. My stock is somewhat fixed so I mounted it back as far as possible. Thermal is perfectly suited for small game, varmints, predators, nuisance animals, etc. The detection is astounding. You can literally see field mice in pitch black at 100 plus yards with the PTS233. The clarity issues you're seeing while zooming is common with ALL thermal devices that use a digital zoom. The reason is because each time you zoom, you cut your current resolution in half. So a 320 resolution thermal, such as the PTS233, at 2x zoom the resolution is only 160. 4x zoom is now only 80 resolution. Hence the blocky, blurry looking images. If you are going to be hunting fast movers (i.e. coyotes, pigs, etc) at distances under 200 yards you are going to be happiest with a base OPTICAL magnification of 2x to 2.5x which will give you wide enough of a FOV to be able to track at full run and get a second shot if needed. If you are going to be taking shots at 400 to 500 yards, a base optical magnification of 4.5x to 5x will be fine even with a tighter FOV. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 2:03:34 PM EDT
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Here's a comparison for ya. ATN=Harbor Freight FLIR=Craftsman
Seriously though. From the research we've done, the failure rate of ATN products is substantially more than anyone else out there. Which is why we don't sell them. What you should know is TNVC underwrites AR15.com which is a much greater financial commitment than just site sponsorship - which is pretty pricey. Surprisingly, those who are too vigorous in their support of the ATN thermal products in this forum are likely to be contacted by TNVC and AR15.com management and be accused of being compensated by ATN when it isn't true. Accordingly, I won't publish reviews or comparisons with ATN products on ARFcom anymore given the hidden and open hostility allowed by the site. If you would like to see hundreds of actual hunting videos , be able to ask questions or request help, I encourage people who are considering buying any ATN product to go to: ATN SMart HD Owners forum Which is a closed group but routinely let's those who are curious join. Did I mention it has over 11,000 owners as members? FYI, others will be along soon to troll more because for some reason they think having a resource like that group available 24/7 (it's global - people respond from all around the globe) to help and answer questions is a bad thing. I can't WAIT to see what their solution for the new FLIR and Thermosight features (which partially duplicate the ATN scope features) will be for the thousands of questions that will be raised. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 2:51:45 PM EDT
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Anyone have a good comparison of FLIR vs the ATN's which seem to have lots of whizz bang bells and whistles? I will add this much. The one ATN electronic scope I owned was quickly dumped. It advertised "lots of whizz bang bells and whistles," which ultimately failed in the field. I don't get to hunt often enough for that to not be a big deal. I need my shit to work. Pulsar products have never let me down. I am excited to try this new offering from Flir. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 3:13:14 PM EDT
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Well, it looks like this is gonna be my first thermal.
Anticipate any sales between now and November? 
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Posted: 8/5/2017 5:28:23 PM EDT
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Would work okay as monocular for scanning purposes. It's a bit heavy for that but not terrible. Removing the mount would make it more ergonomic. You can turn the reticle off as well so that's a plus too. Will get a 640 down the road but would like something like this for scanning/backup purposes. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 6:39:56 PM EDT
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The 640 version is coming in 2018 from what's been posted here. Can someone take a rough guess as to what that may translate to in unit cost, as well as it being worth the wait over this initial offering? The 320 camera core finally have become available for retail purchase a few months ago, a full year later than the original due date. As of today, the 640 boson camera core is still not available for any purchase that I am aware of. The price for the camera cores last were announced to be just below $1000 for the 320 core and $2000 for the 640. The actual price I've found so far for the 320 camera core with no lens is around $1200 and lens models start around $1400-$1600 up to nearly $2500 depending on lens and sensitivity model. This is just what I have found that's currently available. I suppose other lens configurations could run higher? I haven't actually found anywhere I could actually place an order for a 640 boson core to know for sure, but if what's been announced is accurate the 640 core may only be $1000 more. At this point who really knows? I'd be shocked if they put a 35-50 mm lense on 640 core version of the PTS233 and listed it for 6k? I'm more concerned in the delay of 640 camera core itself than the final cost. Hopefully it won't follow in lock step with the delay of the first boson scope to market. This is my 100% speculation based on some very limited information I've found online ever since skypup mentioned the boson a year or two ago. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:25:17 PM EDT
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The Boson 320 and 640 camera cores were supposed to be first released last April/May 2016 and Sept/Oct 2016 respectively. The 320 camera core finally have become available for retail purchase a few months ago, a full year later than the original due date. As of today, the 640 boson camera core is still not available for any purchase that I am aware of. The price for the camera cores last were announced to be just below $1000 for the 320 core and $2000 for the 640. The actual price I've found so far for the 320 camera core with no lens is around $1200 and lens models start around $1400-$1600 up to nearly $2500 depending on lens and sensitivity model. This is just what I have found that's currently available. I suppose other lens configurations could run higher? I haven't actually found anywhere I could actually place an order for a 640 boson core to know for sure, but if what's been announced is accurate the 640 core may only be $1000 more. At this point who really knows? I'd be shocked if they put a 35-50 mm lense on 640 core version of the PTS233 and listed it for 6k? I'm more concerned in the delay of 640 camera core itself than the final cost. Hopefully it won't follow in lock step with the delay of the first boson scope to market. This is my 100% speculation based on some very limited information I've found online ever since skypup mentioned the boson a year or two ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 640 version is coming in 2018 from what's been posted here. Can someone take a rough guess as to what that may translate to in unit cost, as well as it being worth the wait over this initial offering? The 320 camera core finally have become available for retail purchase a few months ago, a full year later than the original due date. As of today, the 640 boson camera core is still not available for any purchase that I am aware of. The price for the camera cores last were announced to be just below $1000 for the 320 core and $2000 for the 640. The actual price I've found so far for the 320 camera core with no lens is around $1200 and lens models start around $1400-$1600 up to nearly $2500 depending on lens and sensitivity model. This is just what I have found that's currently available. I suppose other lens configurations could run higher? I haven't actually found anywhere I could actually place an order for a 640 boson core to know for sure, but if what's been announced is accurate the 640 core may only be $1000 more. At this point who really knows? I'd be shocked if they put a 35-50 mm lense on 640 core version of the PTS233 and listed it for 6k? I'm more concerned in the delay of 640 camera core itself than the final cost. Hopefully it won't follow in lock step with the delay of the first boson scope to market. This is my 100% speculation based on some very limited information I've found online ever since skypup mentioned the boson a year or two ago. I guess I'm trying to figure if this 320 model would leave me satisfied as a first and possibly only thermal? I'd Ike to see footage of Its view at various distances. From the little I've seen so far, it looks to be perfectly acceptable, but I know very little about thermal and I'd really like to avoid buyers remorse if the next model up is that much better. The feature set seems great to me. I don't have exhaustive requirements really. A high quality thermal and a decent price that would be really effective out to say 2-3 hundred yards at very most. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:54:58 PM EDT
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Could i mount this on a carbine with a front sight post?...or does,it need to be on a flat top?
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Posted: 8/5/2017 11:14:24 PM EDT
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This has been discussed to death at length on the internet. Would be better for you to google it instead of ask us to spoon-feed you. I will add this much. The one ATN electronic scope I owned was quickly dumped. It advertised "lots of whizz bang bells and whistles," which ultimately failed in the field. I don't get to hunt often enough for that to not be a big deal. I need my shit to work. Pulsar products have never let me down. I am excited to try this new offering from Flir. FLIR and Pulsar aficionados who believe this won't apply to those brands will learn differently because for the last 30+ years as computers have moved into everything there is no difficulty in making a computer do the same thing correctly over and over again - the difficulty is getting a human being to do the same thing correctly over and over again. Having spent 30+ years in IT and being retired from founding a multi-national technology support group, I am looking forward to seeing how the companies copying ATN's features are going to remove the human being from the equation ... or provide free, 24/7 technical support to people literally in the field hunting which the members of the ATN Smart HD Owners forum do every single day of the week. My interest is high considering my direct experience includes an individual who was raising hell because the #$%#$% scope wouldn't hold zero and was finally resolved when he posted, as requested, photos of the targets and shots he had taken which conclusively proved - he didn't know the first thing about zeroing an analog optical scope, wasn't following the directions provided in manuals, support from other members or video links provided to him and had, through confusion on his part, misstated what he had done and in what order. It took a day and half but we finally got him sorted out. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:07:10 AM EDT
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I experienced zero trouble using using any and all of my dozens of FLIR scopes over the years, including the new Boson core Thermosight being discussed in this thread.
Never had to talk to anybody to learn how to use it as it was all 100% intuitive and simple to use even without reading the instruction manual or joining any FB group.
They all work like a charm all the time.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:22:03 AM EDT
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This is where the philosophical differences come in. FLIR doesn't do all the bells and whistles because they opt for simplicity. This unit appears no different. For many folks that's a great thing. For others it's not. The scope can't be all things to all people. I personally want both-- bells and whistles AND reliability. So far so good for me.
There seems to be some circular talk here. You talk of Boson as if it's supposed to be SkyNet sitting in your thermal yet FLIR's philosophy to date has been clear: minimize bells and whistles to minimize user error and software issues. Again, in all fairness, I'd love to know if FLIR's Outdoor and Tactical group is going to do things any differently going forward. There's people in this thread waiting to spend their hard earned cash, they deserve real information. -Stooxie |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:00:12 AM EDT
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OK - anyone have warranty stories to tell about either ATN or FLIR?
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:00:19 AM EDT
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This is where the philosophical differences come in. FLIR doesn't do all the bells and whistles because they opt for simplicity. This unit appears no different. For many folks that's a great thing. For others it's not. The scope can't be all things to all people. I personally want both-- bells and whistles AND reliability. So far so good for me. There seems to be some circular talk here. You talk of Boson as if it's supposed to be SkyNet sitting in your thermal yet FLIR's philosophy to date has been clear: minimize bells and whistles to minimize user error and software issues. Again, in all fairness, I'd love to know if FLIR's Outdoor and Tactical group is going to do things any differently going forward. There's people in this thread waiting to spend their hard earned cash, they deserve real information. -Stooxie A few palates, reticals, zoom and focus settings. Inputs for peripheral use and that's that. Where exactly does user error come in to play with thermal optics? I have no clue what Boson is, why it matters or how it works. What matters to me is the image clarity at various distances, the over all quality of the product and an acceptable field of view. Particularly compared to what the next models will offer and if this unit at this price point is worth buying and calling it a day or waiting for the 640 models would be a smarter choice. The feature set seems more than adiquate to me anyway. I'm not sure what else I'd like from it, with the exception possibly of better zoom capability and I'm not even sure if that would ultimately matter to me. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 1:48:32 PM EDT
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Does the 12 degree FOV do good for scanning, was hoping for 16 degree for scanning/weapon sight/loaner sight but this might do the job, would I see much of a difference between a 12 degree and 16 degree FOV or not? Will get a 640 down the road but would like something like this for scanning/backup purposes. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 1:51:58 PM EDT
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Could i mount this on a carbine with a front sight post?...or does,it need to be on a flat top? |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 4:31:27 PM EDT
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What you should know is TNVC underwrites AR15.com which is a much greater financial commitment than just site sponsorship - which is pretty pricey. BRAVO STAG ARMS TNVC TRIJICON Each one of these companies don't just throw the almighty dollar and get chosen. Their customer support, quality of service and products is the #1 consideration being selected to honor the #1 firearms blog in existence. I am proud I was the one in 2005 or so to start this NV Forum with the help of Ed Sr. and one Site Staffer who is no longer with us.  Incredible technical know how early on from Murderman, FreeFall, Edwin, CJ7Hawk, DINO, Harlikwin, Kyle Harth, Clasky and a host of others who brought NVD's to the light of day when no others were publishing.
Keeping with this thread on the new 12um Boson, this new 19mm performance and price point is setting the NEW standard of quality. I for one cannot wait until the hand held Q14B unit gets released, especially for all our LE guys who work the dangerous rural America beat who need a heat signature on the middle of the night where back up is 30 miles away. FLIR has invested millions into this new 12um Boson with a price point no one can touch for quality and performance. From the PTS223 19mm a few months back when I could not talk about what I was using. Tom at NGI along with TNVC will have more to come....Much more on this new breed of the 12um Boson we feel the vast majority will enjoy. 
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Posted: 8/6/2017 6:57:11 PM EDT
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Would love to see side by side comparisons of these units. Not quite ready to drop $2K+ without comparing...
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Keeping with this thread on the new 12um Boson, this new 19mm performance and price point is setting the NEW standard of quality. I for one cannot wait until the hand held Q14B unit gets released, especially for all our LE guys who work the dangerous rural America beat who need a heat signature on the middle of the night where back up is 30 miles away. FLIR has invested millions into this new 12um Boson with a price point no one can touch for quality and performance. From the PTS223 19mm a few months back when I could not talk about what I was using. Tom at NGI along with TNVC will have more to come....Much more on this new breed of the 12um Boson we feel the vast majority will enjoy. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/320%2019mm%201_zpslmllu9vu.jpeg |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:54:51 AM EDT
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So how far out does this unit detect? Badlands of Wyoming offer lots of wide open see foreverness...
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:26:03 AM EDT
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I might be missing something here, and I've never owned any thermal, but this thing seems pretty straight forward to me. A few palates, reticals, zoom and focus settings. Inputs for peripheral use and that's that. Where exactly does user error come in to play with thermal optics? I have no clue what Boson is, why it matters or how it works. What matters to me is the image clarity at various distances, the over all quality of the product and an acceptable field of view. Particularly compared to what the next models will offer and if this unit at this price point is worth buying and calling it a day or waiting for the 640 models would be a smarter choice. The feature set seems more than adiquate to me anyway. I'm not sure what else I'd like from it, with the exception possibly of better zoom capability and I'm not even sure if that would ultimately matter to me. Some of the questions that get raised here are not trolling, but rather trying to fully understand the intentions of the company and product. What doesn't help seems to be the other end of the trolling spectrum which is people (who have zero affiliation with FLIR) posting their personal speculations and having them tacitly approved as fact. This is happening now in FLIR's Facebook post about the PTS233. I believe the same person here who does it has posted two pictures from a from a $45,000 T1K, with a 1,024 x 768 sensor, yet people will assume it is the PTS233 due to context. He even got nasty when someone called him out on it. FLIR should delete those pictures. So, some who are labeled trolls are really just trying to make sure we all have accurate information before making a purchase. I would hope no one would be opposed to that. -Stooxie |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:03:56 AM EDT
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Wow, what an outstanding deal you must have got, Stooxie, a FLIR Hi-Res TK1 for $45K! Please tell us all about it.
That's almost a 50% discount depending on what germanium lenses you got for it.
They do work simply amazing though, turning a dark night into day as you can see my UTV with the remote controlled FLIR Pan/Tilt in front of my feeder and HogBall.
The new uncooled VOx Boson 12 micron microbolometer cores image resolutions are just as good though, simply amazing! |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:08:46 AM EDT
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This is happening now in FLIR's Facebook post about the PTS233. I believe the same person here who does it has posted two pictures from a from a $45,000 T1K, with a 1,024 x 768 sensor, yet people will assume it is the PTS233 due to context. -Stooxie That is happening on Facebook, not here? Correct? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:13:59 AM EDT
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WAY too many cryptic posts for a tech forum considering the high tech nature of the devices being discussed and especially since it is new and it's capabilities are unknown to the general public.
If I'm confused, I can't be the only one. The reason for the rules in the tech forums are so non-SMEs can understand the info without needing to separate out the chaff from the wheat. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:16:59 AM EDT
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When will we see NV goggles become this cheap?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 9:26:18 AM EDT
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Just to be clear, no one here is posting pics they are claiming were taken with the FLIR scope in the OP, that are actually pics from a much more expensive unit? That is happening on Facebook, not here? Correct? I hope the OPs understand I'm actually looking out for THEM and their buyers. I'm in sales, too. Nothing worse than pissed off customers who had their expectations cranked way up. All that said, $2,100 for this unit seems like a heck of a good price. As I said above, I think FLIR has the best palettes and thermal color rendition. They do a great job with that. I like the compact form factor, too. -Stooxie |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:03:06 AM EDT
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As the OP of this thread and in the interest of minimizing confusion for those truly interested in gleaning valuable info here regarding the FLIR PTS233, I would like to kindly request that everyone stay on topic here. I can assure everyone that more pics and video will be presented here soon on the PTS233 only, in an effort to reduce confusion. Thanks!
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