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I'm guessing they cost a fortune. Lol
I have a wrangler and every accessory for it does. Lol |
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BE SURE to install a visible lighted switch for those lights so you positively know whether or not they are on at all times.
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BE SURE to install a visible lighted switch for those lights so you positively know whether or not they are on at all times. View Quote |
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Good idea. Is there a particular color that would show up least under NV so as to not flood my interior with light? (I've disabled the dash lights) View Quote I would recommend a Red rocker switch. |
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I love the RIGID IR series lights. I'm running two of those plus a 10" E Series bar. Lights up the world! I love driving blacked-out!
RIGID IR (Infrared) Lights now available at Night Goggles Inc! |
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I am extremely careful with all my NV gear, lasers, IR Illuminators and such, some of them have a heavy IR wattage output.
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Please tell me you only think this to be the case, rather than knowing it - View Quote |
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It is true. IR light manufacturers also state the warning regarding concentrated IR light. Since the human eye cannot detect IR, someone looking at an IR won't be able to see it and can damage their eyes, severely or permanently. Visible light cuases a person to look away or the iris to close drastically to restrict the amount of light reaching the retina. View Quote |
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Let me rephrase - I hope that you only know this in theory, rather than having seen the practical results of someone having been blinded by an IR light - View Quote |
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When I unboxed these lights they had a big warning sticker on the lens about not looking into them.
I would imagine an unrestricted IR laser would still be more damaging to your eye than these lights, but it most certainly cannot be healthy to stare into them for even a fraction of a second. I'm sure CJ7 is just saying he hopes Skypup hasn't personally known anyone to get eye damage from such a setup and not that it can't happen, but the statements made in this thread have me reconsidering using this light to illuminate a range for IR shooting and other such tasks. It just seems too dangerous when using a monocular. Also FullAuto they cost about $650 with the brackets and wiring. |
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I always HATED driving around blacked out with night vision.
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RIGID makes the best Made in the USA vehicle lighting out there. Can't say enough how good their kit is.
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BE SURE to install a visible lighted switch for those lights so you positively know whether or not they are on at all times. View Quote I have some 940nm lights that are collecting dust because I have not been motivated enough to upgrade from 850nm. For eye safety, I have always just tried to keep the IR beam out of my field of view. If I can see any red coming off of the light then I consider that a hazard situation. I have not really considered the safety implications of converting to a less visible band of supplemental IR light. This is a good conversation and I look forward to any feedback (especially negative) regarding my observations. |
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I have some 940nm lights that are collecting dust because I have not been motivated enough to upgrade from 850nm. For eye safety, I have always just tried to keep the IR beam out of my field of view. View Quote This has two effects. 1) You increase your changes of detection to digital and camera based NV. 2) You increase the NOHD by about 2 to 3 times. So while it may be good from a hunting perspective, it's probably a bad thing from a tactical perspective and a safety-based perspective. This is due to the diminishing response from Gallium Arsenide to light above 850nm - Regards David |
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Makes no-never-mind to me what you believe, but you can try it out for yourself and let us know.....with your new braille keyboard. View Quote |
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Just a quick note on this - The Gen3 PVS-14 is more than 10 times more sensitive to light at 850nm than it is at 940nm, so for the same volume of illumination, you need to pump out more than 10 times the power to light up 940nm leds to equal brightness. This has two effects. 1) You increase your changes of detection to digital and camera based NV. 2) You increase the NOHD by about 2 to 3 times. So while it may be good from a hunting perspective, it's probably a bad thing from a tactical perspective and a safety-based perspective. This is due to the diminishing response from Gallium Arsenide to light above 850nm - Regards David View Quote It's "neat" for sure that there is no red IR signature at the light, but that's also a bad thing for your eyes. And while (as you can tell from the pics and the video above) they are extremely bright they could have gotten by with much less power at 850nm to achieve the same level of lighting. |
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Damnit! Larson is the company I mentioned in my previous post, but their website seemed finicky and the lights themselves didn't seem as "user friendly". While I know my way around a 12v system there was a lot to be said for buying it all in one shot. Again, not that Rigid is bad or that I can't see damn near everything with 940nm but 850nm would have been good. Also, per your above post I installed the lights using the Rigid IR switch. I was using a cheaper, smaller more discreet switch because I really didn't like the idea of drilling into my dash (I can't put light switches on the A Pillar because it will blind me using NV) but I got over it pretty quickly. If I sell the Jeep I can always throw some visible Rigid Duallys in there or something. I haven't had a chance to see how much light they emit under NV at night, but considering it is below the steering wheel and red I can't imagine it being a problem. I think in the future I will get identical, but blue, light switches for my visible lights and place them to the left of this switch. http://i.imgur.com/0s4qjlJ.jpg View Quote |
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I think he's getting at the fact that hopefully you've never seen someone actually get damaged vision by these and you're just educated to the possibility. View Quote I will take the manufacturer's warnings as being accurate. |
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Driving with Gen 3 Night Vision Goggles and Infrared Lights |
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I have a set of those on my side by side, they're excellent. The red switch is a must.
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Just a quick note on this - The Gen3 PVS-14 is more than 10 times more sensitive to light at 850nm than it is at 940nm, so for the same volume of illumination, you need to pump out more than 10 times the power to light up 940nm leds to equal brightness. This has two effects. 1) You increase your changes of detection to digital and camera based NV. 2) You increase the NOHD by about 2 to 3 times. So while it may be good from a hunting perspective, it's probably a bad thing from a tactical perspective and a safety-based perspective. This is due to the diminishing response from Gallium Arsenide to light above 850nm - Regards David View Quote |
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Any in depth reading to be had on various ir illumination and it's effects on various nv/generations ?
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I have installed Rigid lights on both my truck and my wife's SUV.
I tried other brands. I will never buy anything else. I want to put one IR in my grill for just incase. |
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Any in depth reading to be had on various ir illumination and it's effects on various nv/generations ? View Quote I guess the short answer to your question is latest Gen3 see deeper into NIR, but the INTENS tubes considerably more so and thus the 940nm lights will look a lot brighter. Here's a comparison with 915nm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RT55zMJXRQ Edit: bear in mind this is a laser illuminator with a very narrow bandwidth. LEDs tend to "leak", have a wider bandwidth. A 940nm laser might not be visible with most Gen3 at all. |
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Search for Cj7hawk's threads / posts on the Photonis INTENS tubes, he's put up a lot of info about them and in some of the threads also on other Gen2 "generations" and for example their wavelength response curves. I guess the short answer to your question is latest Gen3 see deeper into NIR, but the INTENS tubes considerably more so and thus the 940nm lights will look a lot brighter. Here's a comparison with 915nm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RT55zMJXRQ Edit: bear in mind this is a laser illuminator with a very narrow bandwidth. LEDs tend to "leak", have a wider bandwidth. A 940nm laser might not be visible with most Gen3 at all. View Quote |
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The L3's and ITT looked way better than the photonis in that video in general. I'd take that over the fact that the photonis picked up the 915 better. View Quote |
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Any chopper flying at night can see the IR too... Just sayin... (and I Think you were joking)
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But I've also done some runs on trails at night in this faster then my friends can do it during the day.
I bought one pair of the Rigids b4 they were popular/available. These are the UNV ones and I am very happy with them. I have some 10" bars but have not found that I need to mount them. Attached File |
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So for all you driving blacked out guys, how did you rig your vehicle for it? I mean cutting the cabin and tail lights?
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So for all you driving blacked out guys, how did you rig your vehicle for it? I mean cutting the cabin and tail lights? View Quote My cabin lights go completely black with a dimmer rheostat that came from the factory. |
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How much splash-back are you getting on your hood? View Quote I'll get a pic up sometime. |
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But I've also done some runs on trails at night in this faster then my friends can do it during the day. I bought one pair of the Rigids b4 they were popular/available. These are the UNV ones and I am very happy with them. I have some 10" bars but have not found that I need to mount them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102939/IMG-3574-256264.JPG View Quote |
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