Which of these combinations would you get and why?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Which of these combinations would you get and why?

Posted: 6/20/2017 8:50:53 AM EDT

If you could have only the following two options, which would you select and why?

Option 1: PVS14 with Harris Pinnacle tube plus BE Meyers MAWL C1

Option 2: PVS14 with L3 Chrome Filmless tube plus DBAL A3

Posted: 6/20/2017 9:18:57 AM EDT

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If you could have only the following two options, which would you select and why?

Option 1: PVS14 with Harris Pinnacle tube plus BE Meyers MAWL C1

Option 2: PVS14 with L3 Chrome Filmless tube plus DBAL A3

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Tough Question to answer.

The MAWL will improve the capability of the ITT Harris tube significantly during long range scanning with the illuminator set in the high power mode. So if you reside in a place with open areas with sparse cover/concealment it might be your best bet. The MAWL has superior ergonomics/illuminator/logistical support in that each module can be serviced if broken so you are not out an entire laser should something happen outside of warranty.

The Unfilmed Omni 8 tubes that L3 is producing are outstanding and side by side with a filmed green system they really do get you increased capability. without the use of an illuminator my Itt PVS-14 can detect man/deer sized objects at about 400 meters with a good moon, while my L3 unfilmed tube can detect the same objects at about 600-650 meters. the DBAL illuminator will be helpful in lower light conditions but the illuminator will not push past 200 meters. If you are in a CQB environment not having to switch between modes the A3 is fine but occasionally they have issues with surefire pressure pad switches.

There is no wrong answer really.

ETA

If you can, holding off and buying both the MAWL and the L3 unfilmed WP PVS-14 is the best bet. Yes it costs more but its only about 850$ more and by God you'll be glad you waited and bought the best laser and best PVS-14 setup.

Posted: 6/20/2017 12:28:35 PM EDT

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I think you're going to be pressed to find many users with hands on usage with that new MAWL-C, so Sam's expertise should weigh pretty heavily here. I can tell you that on my end, there isn't a huge impact from going to the Pinnacle tubes to the Chrome tubes. You will notice a difference, but you might not have the kind of wow factor you would going from like Gen 2 to Gen 3. That being said, I am unsure of the wow factor of going from the DBAL to the MAWL-C.

You would also likely be well served by the Pinnacle tube with the DBAL, as there are users rocking that combo with great success.

Posted: 6/20/2017 12:51:09 PM EDT

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Sam is right, I love the MAWL-C on my KAC-15 SBR and my AA 6.5 Grendel. IR laser and IR Illum is perfect for what I do on Medium setting, which is primarily wacking hogs and dogs in thick wilderness out 200 yards with ITT Pinnacle PVS-14s.

Medium setting 125 yards:

Posted: 6/20/2017 3:22:29 PM EDT

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Skypup, how does that compare to some of the other IR illum / lasers you've used in the past and what else have you used to compare it to?

I've heard the IR illumination on it is outstanding.

Posted: 6/20/2017 4:20:49 PM EDT

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It is outstanding primarily due to both laser and IR Illum being perfectly centered all the time at all three settings and it is much lighter weight than any of my DBAL-D2s.

Low setting is kinda useless for me with the Illum on since it lights up everything from your feet out to 100 feet in a real wide arc, however medium setting is fantastic for 25 -250 yards. High setting is really too much for anything I do.

It is like having my LDI SPIR perfectly centered around the IR laser!

Second best for me is my DBAL-A4, at the ranges I engage it comes in second.

Third best is DBAL-I.

I have a couple of nice EagleTac flashlights mounted on my helmet with the Osram 3.4 Watt IR Leds for being mobile and scanning around out 300 yds, then all I have to do is flip on the MAWL.

It also works great from any of my shooting blinds setup over my food plots out 250 yards!

Perfect setup for my KAC-15 11.5" SBR and my AA 6.5 Grendel 12" SBR, easy to cowitness through the ACOGs.

Just disc'ed up all the food plots and planted them, damn hogs are ripping them up now.

BTW, I kill a lot of hogs with the visible green laser during the day too.

Posted: 6/20/2017 5:20:45 PM EDT

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If you could have only the following two options, which would you select and why?

Option 1: PVS14 with Harris Pinnacle tube plus BE Meyers MAWL C1

Option 2: PVS14 with L3 Chrome Filmless tube plus DBAL A3

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Option 2 simply because I avoid using IR...so I want the tube that performs better in low light.

Posted: 6/20/2017 5:55:42 PM EDT

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Option #1 will serve you well into the next decade or more.

Posted: 6/20/2017 7:11:39 PM EDT

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Those options? Neither. Just me. I'm with the poster above me. Try to use the least ir I can.

Posted: 6/20/2017 7:29:07 PM EDT

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Those options? Neither. Just me. I'm with the poster above me. Try to use the least ir I can.

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So the general consensus to OPs question as to which NV/laser combo is best in the field is that he only needs NV and maybe a couple of frag grenades?

Posted: 6/20/2017 7:29:40 PM EDT

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Skypup, how does that compare to some of the other IR illum / lasers you've used in the past and what else have you used to compare it to?

I've heard the IR illumination on it is outstanding.

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IR Lum on the B.E. Meyers Class 1+ meets and greets with a full power ATPIAL (left) MAWL C1+ (right). Distance to tree line if I remember correctly 350 yard+.

Posted: 6/20/2017 7:39:05 PM EDT

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Zeroing the IR lasers by banging 8" steel plates at 200 yards at night keeps them deadly.

Posted: 6/20/2017 10:48:44 PM EDT

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IR Lum on the B.E. Meyers Class 1+ meets and greets with a full power ATPIAL (left) MAWL C1+ (right). Distance to tree line if I remember correctly 350 yard+.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/ATPIAL_MAWL_C1_zpsq05aqphv.jpg

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MAWL looks to be kicking the crap out of it lol.

Posted: 6/20/2017 10:53:01 PM EDT

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So the general consensus to OPs question as to which NV/laser combo is best in the field is that he only needs NV and maybe a couple of frag grenades?

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Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter lol.

The BEST would be WP and the MAWL. But imo the MAWL is WAY overpriced compared to a $1000 D2.

Now I know the MAWLs illuminator has multiple modes and it does this and that but again, just my opinion and what I've seen, and my use, it isn't worth the extra $1500. Of course, of course if I had tons of money I'd buy a MAWL.

Of course the V2 a4 with the white light really looks awesome to me. I'll probably buy that ifvthe projected price is correct.

Posted: 6/21/2017 12:02:17 AM EDT

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If you could have only the following two options, which would you select and why?

Option 1: PVS14 with Harris Pinnacle tube plus BE Meyers MAWL C1

Option 2: PVS14 with L3 Chrome Filmless tube plus DBAL A3

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WP>NE

Posted: 6/21/2017 8:25:37 AM EDT

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Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter lol.

The BEST would be WP and the MAWL. But imo the MAWL is WAY overpriced compared to a $1000 D2.

Now I know the MAWLs illuminator has multiple modes and it does this and that but again, just my opinion and what I've seen, and my use, it isn't worth the extra $1500. Of course, of course if I had tons of money I'd buy a MAWL.

Of course the V2 a4 with the white light really looks awesome to me. I'll probably buy that ifvthe projected price is correct.

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I purposely left out the A4 as a choice for my question because,

A. It is huge and this is for an SBR.
B. This is going to be used for LE and I would prefer to avoid a large visual indicator from an LED.

Posted: 6/21/2017 9:18:46 AM EDT

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Then MAWL is the way to go for sure.

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