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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:45:05 AM EDT
A Stafford man pleaded guilty today to stealing nearly $100,000 worth of military equipment from the helicopter squadron responsible for the transportation of the President of the United States.
Helicopter Squadron One transports the president and VIPs and tests and evaluates aircraft and systems for the Fleet Marine Forces. According to the statement of facts filed with the plea agreement, from approximately September 2013 to April 2015, Branden Roy Baker, 34, stole at least 51 image intensifiers tubes and other night vision parts worth approximately $94,392 from Marine Helicopter Squadron One (HMX-1). Baker typically negotiated the sales of the stolen equipment via email after identifying potential buyers on eBay.com. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/man-pleads-guilty-stealing-marine-helicopter-squadron-one https://www.alexandrianews.org/2017/05/man-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-from-marine-helicopter-squadron-one/ |
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I was wondering when this was going to come to light. That's a good chunk of change right there!!! Hope all is well buddy.
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Pretty simple for Agent Wu to trace those Pay-Pal transactions to the buyers.
Wonder what the perp had to give up to the Feds to plea bargain down to 10 years in the slammer with no parole? |
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Interesting. Wonder what model(s) they were. Isn't that awfully cheap for 51 state of the art devices with spares? What's the gov't contract price on this stuff?
If the sqd that flies the Prez around has the latest and greatest stuff, we're talking at least 13K for commercial retail price of a -31alpha. You can't even buy gen II+ -14's at that price. Just gen III -14's would be over 150K. State of the art BNVD's would be in excess of 650K. Does it sound right that the government price on BNVD's would be lower than Gen II MNVD's? And how could this sqdn not know that it had 51 units missing? Over a two year period? Something smells fishy here. When I was in we had regular audits on all that shit. No way you could have hidden something like that for so long. They had to have known there was an issue and should have done something about it before that many were missing. WTF??? Maybe that figure is bullshit to keep the sentence down under 10 years per the plea bargain. Maybe this was part of the "Fast and Furious" operation. Funnel NV gear to the cartel and use that as an excuse to ban them from us. |
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Dudes defense attorneys cost him at least $100K, not to mention he'll be paying restitution while in the klink.
Seems like he'll be in the "dark" for quite a while. NCIS be knockin on some Fleabay buyers doors... |
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Interesting. Wonder what model(s) they were. Isn't that awfully cheap for 51 state of the art devices with spares? What's the gov't contract price on this stuff? If the sqd that flies the Prez around has the latest and greatest stuff, we're talking at least 13K for commercial retail price of a -31alpha. You can't even buy gen II+ -14's at that price. Just gen III -14's would be over 150K. State of the art BNVD's would be in excess of 650K. Does it sound right that the government price on BNVD's would be lower than Gen II MNVD's? And how could this sqdn not know that it had 51 units missing? Over a two year period? Something smells fishy here. When I was in we had regular audits on all that shit. No way you could have hidden something like that for so long. They had to have known there was an issue and should have done something about it before that many were missing. WTF??? Maybe that figure is bullshit to keep the sentence down under 10 years per the plea bargain. Maybe this was part of the "Fast and Furious" operation. Funnel NV gear to the cartel and use that as an excuse to ban them from us. View Quote not the whole unit i'd say just under 2000 each is a good price |
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Interesting. Wonder what model(s) they were. Isn't that awfully cheap for 51 state of the art devices with spares? What's the gov't contract price on this stuff? If the sqd that flies the Prez around has the latest and greatest stuff, we're talking at least 13K for commercial retail price of a -31alpha. You can't even buy gen II+ -14's at that price. Just gen III -14's would be over 150K. State of the art BNVD's would be in excess of 650K. Does it sound right that the government price on BNVD's would be lower than Gen II MNVD's? And how could this sqdn not know that it had 51 units missing? Over a two year period? Something smells fishy here. When I was in we had regular audits on all that shit. No way you could have hidden something like that for so long. They had to have known there was an issue and should have done something about it before that many were missing. WTF??? Maybe that figure is bullshit to keep the sentence down under 10 years per the plea bargain. Maybe this was part of the "Fast and Furious" operation. Funnel NV gear to the cartel and use that as an excuse to ban them from us. View Quote |
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"But I get great deals on FleaBay"....I only paid 1500 for my new system
The hits just keep coming. |
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Considering HMX-1 is an aviation unit they would most likely be MX10160 tubes from ANVIS-9 and Potentially the Aviation Pano style units.
That man is going to jail, and deserves it. Don't do stupid stuff like that. |
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No self-respecting Arfcom member would purchase something like that off Flea Bay and reveal that NCIS came to their doorsteps to confiscate said gear.
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The press release provides an incorrect case number. The correct case number is 1:17-cr-00091-LMB.
Quoted:Wonder what the perp had to give up to the Feds to plea bargain down to 10 years in the slammer with no parole? View Quote Sentencing is set for 8/11/2017 at 09:00 AM in Alexandria Courtroom 600 before District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema. |
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I also heard rumors of a bunch of stolen PVS-15's that are out there floating around. Any truth or more stories behind that?
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This story stinks to high heaven. And yes I read both fucking articles there sparky.
You guys are having way too much fun pointing out that anyone who buys shit on eBay is probably buying stolen goods, or at least that's your insinuation. In this case it was half-true. The articles stated that he found potential buyers there and then contacted them off-line in private emails. What these articles are really pointing out is: a) the government gets incredible deals on NV equipment, as compared to what us slimy civilians have to pay, b) the Marine Corps has gone to shit since my time, c) the government made a helluva plea bargain this this guy. This whole thing stinks on ice. You guys are using it as an example to ridicule anyone who buys NV gear on eBay, or wherever. OK fair enough have your laughs. But: a) How in the fuck did the government get 51 fucking devices for under 100K? Seriously? Are we paying that much more than them? If so that really sucks dog balls and if I sold this stuff for a living I wouldn't be pointing this article out. b) In the immortal words of the "Gunny": "You have got to be kidding me...Do you seriously want me to believe that you dipshits lost 51 fucking night vision devices over the course of two years and nobody figured out anything was missing?" c) Who the fuck knows on this one. The NV could be anything really. Not just limited to ANVIS shit. The article stated the sqdn also did testing for the Crotch, so it could have been any end use. I just want to know who was responsible for that shit? Who inventoried it, at what intervals? Was their no outside oversight, like an IG or what? That's pretty fucking sad shit right there. The guys who stole this shit and tried to sell it are crooks. But what about the piss-poor security this stuff gets that it gets stolen in the first place? Does the government get a free pass? It sounds like my lawn tools get better security than government property. I say we send in the Gunny and get this sit un-fucked. |
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... You guys are using it as an example to ridicule anyone who buys NV gear on eBay, or wherever. OK fair enough have your laughs. But: a) How in the fuck did the government get 51 fucking devices for under 100K? Seriously? Are we paying that much more than them? If so that really sucks dog balls and if I sold this stuff for a living I wouldn't be pointing this article out. View Quote |
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No self-respecting Arfcom member would purchase something like that off Flea Bay and reveal that NCIS came to their doorsteps to confiscate said gear. View Quote Well, I got a call on the phone and the person started in saying they were following on a purchase I made and wanted to know if the Dell Laptop I bought off eBay was meeting my expectations. I said yea, why and they informed me they were with NCIS and that a contractor had stolen laptops from the Navy and was selling them on EBay and they wanted their computer back. Well, the NCIS guy came to my work and took the laptop. It took almost 2-years but eventually the guy that stole the laptops from the navy did return my money. He had tons of feedback so it's not like I could have known. I've been gunshy of refurbished computers since. |
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Too bad they wouldn't release the serial numbers for the tubes so we could blacklist them all.
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Dude was active duty Marine Sargent during the time of the thefts and sold them on EBay and collected via PayPal, has to pay $94,000 in restitution. Life is good behind bars....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537700/Man-admits-stealing-100K-equipment-Marine-One.html |
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It's cool, nobody will notice 51 NVG missing from a high security unit.
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2013-2015?
Any knockin that needed done, should've been long over by now (2 years later)... Wu must be slowing down with age. |
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Too bad they wouldn't release the serial numbers for the tubes so we could blacklist them all. View Quote A blacklist of stolen parts would be a huge step in the right direction. I don't think it will ever happen because our government does not really care if we little guys get burned. They probably want to be able to let the things trickle all over the place so they can widen the net. "We cannot divulge that information because it is part of an ongoing investigation." |
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Guys this shouldn't be a rant fest against a certain dealer just because they voiced their opinion on this, even if I don't agree with it. I happen to think they are a reputable dealer and I have bought lots of stuff from them over the years. What I have said is I don't agree with their low opinion of sales at ebay or other private party stuff. Yes, some of it is shady but I don't think you can paint with such a board brush to characterize all private sales as such. So this is not a question of their integrity, rather their judgement in making certain statements.
The whole point for me is that this goat fuck even occurred. They are using it as an example of why you shouldn't buy from private parties. I'm saying it illustrates some glaring problems in our government and their stewardship of some expensive shit we bough them. You are free to buy from whomever you want. However, be aware that there IS stolen property floating around out there. It's not every case, but it is some cases. As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. |
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There is also a lot of used gear floating around from vendors by the customers that purchased it and now want to upgrade, or had change of life events come up and they now need to sell that gear. I agree that painting with such a broad stroke is a horrible idea.
FWIW, I personally had a set of TNVC "hand select" tubes with spec sheets that were pulled from a pair of TNVC Sentinels after they were left on pointing at a bright light source and were subsequently "blemished". Many vendors also take trade-ins, and that gear floats around on the used market - all of it from legit chains of ownership. People upgrade - it happens all the time. Since many of these people buy cheap/used the first time only to later learn to appreciate that vendor relationship, it would be beneficial if vendors offered advice on how to spot stolen tubes/gear and how to properly report on it, rather than ridicule the unsuspecting buyer. THE NORTH WIND AND THE SUN (Aesop for Children, 1919) http://mythfolklore.net/aesopica/milowinter/141.htm Seriously though, how were 51 devices only 94k? |
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Guys this shouldn't be a rant fest against a certain dealer just because they voiced their opinion on this, even if I don't agree with it. I happen to think they are a reputable dealer and I have bought lots of stuff from them over the years. What I have said is I don't agree with their low opinion of sales at ebay or other private party stuff. Yes, some of it is shady but I don't think you can paint with such a board brush to characterize all private sales as such. So this is not a question of their integrity, rather their judgement in making certain statements. The whole point for me is that this goat fuck even occurred. They are using it as an example of why you shouldn't buy from private parties. I'm saying it illustrates some glaring problems in our government and their stewardship of some expensive shit we bough them. You are free to buy from whomever you want. However, be aware that there IS stolen property floating around out there. It's not every case, but it is some cases. As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. View Quote |
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I gotta chuckle at that. My bud who I passed my first set onto did the same thing. Left the tube on and burned a nice image into it. A nice tableau of: "kitchen window, in still life".
Well you know, SOT makes a good point. If someone would set up a voluntary s/n network, it would go a long way to helping to ID stolen shit. Why the government wouldn't quietly circulate this to qualified vendors, and give us access to it, who knows. I'll give you a good guess. The motherfuckers probably don't have half the right numbers, just like weapons databases. Bottom line, take this kind of news for what it's worth. Some guys here obviously tried to make a point that all ebay sales are dubious at best. Some other guys that don't like those guys tried to use this as an opportunity to pile on any criticism of them. And then there's some that are just trying to look at this report and see what we can actually learn from it. Like seriously, 51 tubes plus spares for under 100K? Like a crooked Marine who tried to steal government property and why he got as far as he did? Like all the people who take these events and try to use them for their agenda? Skippidy dippidy doo-da. |
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I completely understand TNVC's position. Of all the military gear out there, NV is probably the most tantalizing for military deadbeats to steal and resell. Given TNVC's significant military/LEO background, I'm going to trust that they have first-hand accounts of the amount of YOUR tax dollars that are lost on eBay-sold illicit tubes. Caveat emptor.
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I'm lost on why people get greedy on this.
I mean..come on.....once or twice.... nobody would bat an eye or see what is happening... but that many times... You are bound to get caught just like a bank robber is bound to get caught also. |
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I completely understand TNVC's position. Of all the military gear out there, NV is probably the most tantalizing for military deadbeats to steal and resell. Given TNVC's significant military/LEO background, I'm going to trust that they have first-hand accounts of the amount of YOUR tax dollars that are lost on eBay-sold illicit tubes. Caveat emptor. View Quote One thing that is refreshing is the amount of attention FleaBay gets nowadays from official channels vs. several years back. More and more of these folks are getting hooked up and sent to prison. A great thing and I hope the trend continues... |
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Government employees have been stealing items for as long as I can remember. I have seen it done by enlisted military, officers and civilians are the worst! I actually testified at an officer's court martial once. When he was found guilty, he was forced to retire. How is that right? He stole tens of thousands worth of government property, used enlisted personnel for his personal gain, and then got to steal his pension from the taxpayers! Only God knows how much he stole before he got caught!
You could cut the federal budget in half if you eliminate the theft and abuse in our government! |
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Meanwhile, in the hints n allegations dept, I was just thinking about this shit over lunch. I came to the conclusion that there's just no fucking way this dude could've gotten away with this shit so long. Me thinks he wuz caught, somewhere around tube nine or ten, and/or month 2 or 3 and had a nice come to jesus chat with some nice NCIS agents. I imagine it went something like this. You keep selling this stuff, only you give us the names and addresses of the buyers. Then we get a big sting operation with promotions and raises all around. And you get a reduced sentence and quietly fade into the background. It's either that or the feds have their heads so far up their asses they need a glass belly button to see. I would certainly hope it is the former, but alas, would not be surprised if it was the latter. Like do you want to see my surprise face?
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I'm lost on why people get greedy on this. I mean..come on.....once or twice.... nobody would bat an eye or see what is happening... but that many times... You are bound to get caught just like a bank robber is bound to get caught also. View Quote |
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Meanwhile, in the hints n allegations dept, I was just thinking about this shit over lunch. I came to the conclusion that there's just no fucking way this dude could've gotten away with this shit so long. Me thinks he wuz caught, somewhere around tube nine or ten, and/or month 2 or 3 and had a nice come to jesus chat with some nice NCIS agents. I imagine it went something like this. You keep selling this stuff, only you give us the names and addresses of the buyers. Then we get a big sting operation with promotions and raises all around. And you get a reduced sentence and quietly fade into the background. It's either that or the feds have their heads so far up their asses they need a glass belly button to see. I would certainly hope it is the former, but alas, would not be surprised if it was the latter. Like do you want to see my surprise face? View Quote In the last few years all of the paperwork has become electronic and this sort of scam is harder to pull. They are also starting to associate the serial numbers of component parts to the major end-item and requiring levels of documentation to change those parts that are tracked by end item. It's a huge pain in the butt for mechanics but, you can see why we are moving in that direction. |
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Ok that would make a hell of a lot more sense than what we've been working with. If the tube itself was treated as a replacement part, albeit an very expensive one, then the accountability as a serialized item might be in question. It would not have the end-item serial number that would be a lot higher profile. Yeah the glitch might have been in the accountability of "damaged" or non-working parts that are assumed to be near worthless. Probably would have had a near zero profile with any inventorying authority. Or hell any real enterprising thief might attempt to substitute worthless tubes he bought for next to nothing. Who knows.
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I think the reference is to the pawn shops that line Bragg Blvd and other Army/Navy towns. It's funny but what-ever.
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Pretty sure HMX-1 had the same NVGs every other aviation unit did/does. AN/AVS-9s. Dual tube units nothing too fancy. Gen 3. I was a flight equipment guy in the Marine Corps (6048). While there is some security surrounding NVGs it's not like they are Top Secret documents. For us they had to be locked in their own cabinet in the locked shop and were inventoried quarterly and checked out in a "Green monster" bound book. Wouldn't be too hard to get away with a few sets here and there. If they go missing some paperwork gets filed and naval message gets written up and released saying "hey entire Department of the Navy, look out ofr these NVGs that have been lost."
If you work at MALS/AIMD in the Avionics division you have access to the actual bits and pieces of the goggles which is where I"m guessing this guy worked. They can order the parts and little bits and pieces that are needed to build/repair goggles. |
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51 missing over a course of two years. So what was the supply chief? doing? Do you not do inventory checks and have hand receipts for units issued to specific people. Unless home boy was the supply chief.
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See jeepinbanditrider's comment above. Probably as close to it as anything else.
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