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I always wondered, how bad is the red glow from an original A4 illuminator LED? Also, we definitely need a TAPS with dual Steiner leads for this guy! |
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I hope they don't try to make it compete directly with the MAWL price wise. |
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Sweet! I always wondered, how bad is the red glow from an original A4 illuminator LED? Also, we definitely need a TAPS with dual Steiner leads for this guy! View Quote Yes, we're all working hard on TAPS with Steiner. Many have asked for this option. |
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A LOT of changes with the original A4 design we worked last year along with several SWAT types in the Northwest. Red Glow is very short range at 10 yards within 1deg of cone of emitter. Yes, we're all working hard on TAPS with Steiner. Many have asked for this option. View Quote |
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Holy crap. If we aren't talking MAWL money, this might be my next night vision purchase! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A LOT of changes with the original A4 design we worked last year along with several SWAT types in the Northwest. Red Glow is very short range at 10 yards within 1deg of cone of emitter. Yes, we're all working hard on TAPS with Steiner. Many have asked for this option. |
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Neat! I think it would be tough to beat the mawls laser based ir illuminator, but hey this still looks great! If it can get to that 1600 pricetag this might be a hit.
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Very nice. The size/weight/bulk is coming down. Of course you get what you pay for.
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Very nice. The size/weight/bulk is coming down. Of course you get what you pay for. View Quote |
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Looks like it may sit lower on the rail too? Any mention of this?
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I know this may be a silly question, but why does the laser warning sticker point to both the left and right? Aren't all the lasers on the right, with LEDs on the left?
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Ill be curious to see how the white light stacks up against the SF Ultra Scout.
Also need to figure out if this is a weight savings between an A3 and a SF Ultra scout and just running an A4 Also real curious if the LED glow is as bad as the D2 is. Battery compartment placement is way move convenient. Hopefully they finally fixed the battery drain issues though. |
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What is that on the illuminator side above the battery compartment? The button to select short or long range ir?
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Tnvc, from what you have seen with the a4 are the light signatures improving with led based ir illumination?
I am wondering since that was the main detracting factor to me with the d2 model. Since your company has hands on with both models, it would be nice to know if the a4 produces less ir signature than the d2. |
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Tnvc, from what you have seen with the a4 are the light signatures improving with led based ir illumination? I am wondering since that was the main detracting factor to me with the d2 model. Since your company has hands on with both models, it would be nice to know if the a4 produces less ir signature than the d2. View Quote |
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A LOT of changes with the original A4 design we worked last year along with several SWAT types in the Northwest. Red Glow is very short range at 10 yards within 1deg of cone of emitter. Yes, we're all working hard on TAPS with Steiner. Many have asked for this option. View Quote |
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What is that on the illuminator side above the battery compartment? The button to select short or long range ir? Out of curiosity, why is the restricted model using LEDs for it illumination? |
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When you say within 1deg of cone of emitter, do you mean to say that the red glow can be seen, say in a 92 degree cone when in flood mode? That is to say, 90 degree cone of flood with +1 degree on each side? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A LOT of changes with the original A4 design we worked last year along with several SWAT types in the Northwest. Red Glow is very short range at 10 yards within 1deg of cone of emitter. Yes, we're all working hard on TAPS with Steiner. Many have asked for this option. |
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It means from the emitter itself when looking directly in front of it. If you travel a degree or two off axis (to either side) you will not see any vis. signature. Nowadays with such small apertures and cavity design (we designed our Torch Pro over the years to seat deeply into the head as Surefire has done) too mitigate the visible IR. Obviously one can use diodes in the upper nano-meter bandwidth, but at a cost of long range viewing with Gen 3 devices and the glass itself allowing higher wave lengths to be seen. Hope this helps a bit more about what we are seeing in the new era of smaller and brighter tools for your NV tool box. |
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Street price is going to be in the $1600-1800. Not finalized and not in stock just yet as they finish up.
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It looks like there are rear mounted fire buttons on each side? To power on independently? Out of curiosity, why is the restricted model using LEDs for it illumination? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is that on the illuminator side above the battery compartment? The button to select short or long range ir? Out of curiosity, why is the restricted model using LEDs for it illumination? |
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Does the a4 still use the same positive load dials for sighting in the lasers?
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Street price is going to be in the $1600-1800. Not finalized and not in stock just yet as they finish up. View Quote |
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Good question I am curious as well. I assume there was no reason to swop to laser and increase production costs when the LED works well and the visible signature is so much better then LEDs of the past. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is that on the illuminator side above the battery compartment? The button to select short or long range ir? Out of curiosity, why is the restricted model using LEDs for it illumination? As for the restricted models using LED's, (Heineken is correct). There was no real reason with such good performance they achieve with the IR LED's to use IR Laser Lum. I have to admit, Steiner has really cracked the code with high output IR LED design. |
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Yes, dual fire buttons for the A4, NOT a D2 where only southpaws have the advantage due to the location of the rear left only fire button. As for the restricted models using LED's, (Heineken is correct). There was no real reason with such good performance they achieve with the IR LED's to use IR Laser Lum. I have to admit, Steiner has really cracked the code with high output IR LED design. View Quote |
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Is the new led based illuminator covert enough for tactical use, or will laser based still be the king? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, dual fire buttons for the A4, NOT a D2 where only southpaws have the advantage due to the location of the rear left only fire button. As for the restricted models using LED's, (Heineken is correct). There was no real reason with such good performance they achieve with the IR LED's to use IR Laser Lum. I have to admit, Steiner has really cracked the code with high output IR LED design. IMHO? Covert enough for tactical use. TNVC said
Red Glow is very short range at 10 yards within 1deg of cone of emitter. |
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Do we still have to minus 9 and plus 8 to make a single counter clockwise adjustment??????
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One more question, will they be compatible with Rail Scales LEAF sights? I don't see the mounting holes in those promo photos.
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Very cool. Thanks for posting the video.
Looks like I'd be able to easily able to do the visible override on top of the rail to activate the white light. And then use the back fire buttons for iR no matter if I'm shooting lefty or righty. I like have two separate motions for Ir and white light. Dig it. |
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it's cool and all, but unless the zeroing mechanism is fixed, i'm sticking to the atpial or mawl.
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I'm confused...so all three fire buttons on the unit perform the same function? There's no dedicated fire button for the white light?
Will it work the was the same Larue mount as the A3? I like how you can remove the battery without taking the unit off of the rail. |
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Can someone who understands LAMs more than I do compare the DBAL-A4 to the ATPIAL-C?
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I'm confused...so all three fire buttons on the unit perform the same function? There's no dedicated fire button for the white light? Will it work the was the same Larue mount as the A3? I like how you can remove the battery without taking the unit off of the rail. View Quote I'm just planning on running a surefire sr07 on top and use the side buttons to fire the IR functions. If I upgrade from the a3 and surefire Scout. |
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I'd assume all three buttons do the same function. There's a visible over ride port on the back which should fire the white light and visible laser regardless of the dial setting. I'm just planning on running a surefire sr07 on top and use the side buttons to fire the IR functions. If I upgrade from the a3 and surefire Scout. View Quote Or, unless you plan to splice in the Steiner plug. I'm sure it'll come with at least one remote on its own. |
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