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3/20/2017 5:03:23 PM
Posted: 2/16/2017 7:48:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 5:14:45 PM EDT by NGI_TOM]
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 8:26:14 PM EDT
ballpark price? mountable? images farther away than 30yds?

your post is like going trick or treating and getting an empty wrapper with the promise of better if i step inside.....
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:08:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2017 10:09:36 PM EDT by NGI_TOM]
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 6:36:41 AM EDT
id rather see the XQ model since 640 cores are pretty useless when paired up with small lenses.

Can you show any videos of the XQ50?
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 9:49:23 AM EDT
Thanks!
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 10:58:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 2:18:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 6:57:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2017 7:06:39 PM EDT by stooxie]
I was considering the Helion XP28 since I want a wide FOV for scanning. Is there some flaw to that thinking?

-Stooxie
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 7:10:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC:


Hey ya Zero, I think this 38mm lens isn't too shabby at approx. 1.9x native magnification.
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Its not really 1.9x though. The Trail has 1.6x with a 50mm lens so you can be sure there is some trickery going on in the eye piece which doesnt increase performance.

The XQ50 with the 384x288 core will have a genuine 2.7x(4.1x) it will be cheaper and offer better detection range than XP38.

640 cores make nice youtube videos but in reality offer no benefits for hunting other than an option of higher FOV and a big financial cost.
Link Posted: 2/17/2017 7:29:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2017 7:31:15 PM EDT by TNVC]
Link Posted: 2/20/2017 1:17:07 PM EDT
Would have liked to see more focus on the thermal signatures that were close to the horizon in that video.
Link Posted: 2/20/2017 3:55:28 PM EDT
im rocking the XD38 which i picked up second hand. i can spot animals hundreds of yards away. its surprising just how effective even a cheap model can be. Black hot seems to be the one to use. I then use the Gen 3 to pick it up and wait for the animal to come in to range.
Link Posted: 2/21/2017 4:52:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2017 5:19:32 PM EDT
^^Phenomenal. That scope is going to be awesome.
Link Posted: 3/16/2017 2:08:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2017 2:10:00 PM EDT by NGI_TOM]
Link Posted: 3/16/2017 3:37:07 PM EDT
Hey thanks for posting this Tom!

Did I hear you say 8 different color palettes around the 6:07-6:10 mark!?
Link Posted: 3/16/2017 4:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2017 4:54:15 PM EDT by NGI_TOM]
Link Posted: 3/16/2017 4:56:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NGI_TOM:


Yes you did, but unfortunately I miss spoke. The Helion has 8 different color palettes. The Trail is white hot/black hot only. It does have 10 different reticles with an array of color combos. My apologies!
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Ok, so the display is at least color? Meaning we can hold out hope that if we bug Pulsar enough color palettes could come out in the future?

-Stooxie
Link Posted: 3/16/2017 5:26:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2017 5:26:49 PM EDT by Ildeerhunter23]
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Originally Posted By NGI_TOM:


Yes you did, but unfortunately I miss spoke. The Helion has 8 different color palettes. The Trail is white hot/black hot only. It does have 10 different reticles with an array of color combos. My apologies!
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Thats what I was thinking. No worries! Got my ears to stand up though Thanks again for putting that video together.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 10:05:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2017 10:54:30 AM EDT by terry1]
double post
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 10:08:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2017 10:48:14 AM EDT by terry1]
I've been watching the new gear starting to hit the market testers and the Pulsar and new FLIR offerings look great this year. The trail scopes look pretty awesome I like the size,weight and features they offer. After using the Reap-IR several nights a week for almost a year my older/heavier 2-3lb thermal scopes feel like beast on my rifles. I've become spoiled to the lite weight and compact size it's hard to see myself buying a 2.5-3lb thermal scope ever again.

On the Trail how fast is the start up time that's a very important feature to me? To be honest my Reap-IR is really slow it's the one thing I dislike about the Reap like 10 seconds plus to power up and get a shot off. My Armasight Zeus 640 is twice as fast to power up and shoot which I really like

The 16 degree FOV is a plus for me we don't have a lot of wide open areas where we hunt lots of woods,brushy areas and a few smaller fields mixed in maybe 2-4 hundred yards across on average. I use the Reaper IR 12 degree FOV / IR Patrol monocular 22 degree FOV as a pair nightly and often I find the IR Patrol FOV better suited for my use in tight quarters. Plus with 640 core you get a good wide FOV up close shooting and then can zoom to 2X and still have a clearer image. It's like having a short and mid range scope in one unit.

With my old 320 core 3X scope up close I feel like I was looking through a straw FOV wise. It was great at longer ranges though so it's good to have choices not everyone has the same needs lens wise. The Trail 384 2X would be about perfect for me as I've found the 2X mag to be a good starting point for my use scope wise.

The rechargeable battery setup on the Trail scope is designed perfect also. Fits like part of the scope very nice look and no extra wires hanging around. The ability to change in field (unlike my old flir Rs/Scout systems) or even use a 123A pack if you perfer. I just ordered bulk 400 123A's this week my thermals eat them like candy it gets expensive to say the least.

Thank's for taking the time to post new info on these scopes.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 1:59:21 PM EDT
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