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Posted: 10/12/2016 8:57:34 PM EDT
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I do not want to buy a $1k+ helmet for this. What are my sub $500 options? I don't want a helmet at all if possible, but something better than a skull-crusher would be nice. TIA First place i would say to start is the Crye NightCap. Basically a mix between a baseball cap and a skull crusher. I have one and I find it to be very comfortable. It's about $100, IIRC. https://tnvc.com/shop/crye-precision-nightcap™-nvg-platform/ https://www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/acchn102000_nightcap |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 9:37:56 PM EDT
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After using helmets for a LONG time I decided to give the Crye Nightcap a try when they came out a couple years ago. I have since gotten rid of my helmets after not having used them pretty much since the day I got my Nightcap. It is comfortable the way it comes but I wedged a small piece of additional padding for the forehead and I wear it for hours at a time with no problem. You will also want a shroud, mount, and counterweight. I use a wilcox skeleton shroud, rhino 2 mount, EOG low profile short counterweight, wilcox lanyard, and princeton tec switch light. There is nothing I would change about my setup, I love it and use it a lot. All that can be had for well under $500 and is extremely portable. You can fold it up and stick it in the green canvas bag that comes w/ the NVD.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 9:51:41 PM EDT
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Thanks guys.
Should I get the weapon mount TNVC sells for the PVS or save that cash and get an IR laser for the rifle? |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 10:07:45 PM EDT
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Thanks guys. Should I get the weapon mount TNVC sells for the PVS or save that cash and get an IR laser for the rifle? I'd buy an IR laser for it. Weapon mounting a PVS-14 has more drawbacks than benefits in most situations. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 10:56:44 PM EDT
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I'd buy an IR laser for it. Weapon mounting a PVS-14 has more drawbacks than benefits in most situations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks guys. Should I get the weapon mount TNVC sells for the PVS or save that cash and get an IR laser for the rifle? I'd buy an IR laser for it. Weapon mounting a PVS-14 has more drawbacks than benefits in most situations. This. IR laser, PVS14, good mount (I like the Wilcox G24 myself) and good headgear (nightcap is an excellent start for small money - way more comfortable than a skull crusher, and packs in a pocket - get it, then work your way towards a good helmet - Crye or similar). |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 9:06:12 AM EDT
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I do not want to buy a $1k+ helmet for this. What are my sub $500 options? I don't want a helmet at all if possible, but something better than a skull-crusher would be nice. TIA Pro-tec skateboard helmet. Plenty of examples on the night vision/helmet thread. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 10:00:46 AM EDT
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Howdy,
I will throw my 2 cents in but then again Im a bit biased. First off I recommend a bump helmet over a night cap any night, the benefits are protection, a solid lock up between shroud and mount with no shifting or wobble during dynamic stuff you may find yourself doing (running, climbing, driving, bumping into things with decreased spacial awareness. the opscore bump helmet is the route I'd go. And for a PVS-14 I really feel there is no need to buy a 450$ mount like the G24 as its overkill, the wWlcox L4 G11 is where I would go and it'll save you nearly 200$. The PVS-14 was designed as a helmet mounted system for the infantry grunt, it works very well inside of its envelope as that, coupled with an IR laser its a formidable system and a serious force multiplier for the foot soldier/Police Officer?Home defender/Nocturnal Hog hunter. having said that getting outside its envelope it doesn't do well. Its not a clip on NVD, it is not collimated and can really only be used behind a NVG compatible zero mag red dot or holo sight. unless you are laid up in a tree stand or on top of a roof I really would not even think about this setup at all. The Night cap is a toy, a bump helmet can be used for much more than NV stuff. I have worn mine horseback riding in the Rockies, whitewater rafting, trimming 50 ft oak trees in TX, sailing off shore in heavy seas and high winds, as well as riding ATV's in the hills of GA as a safety precaution. As always we are here at TNVC to answer any questions you may have. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 12:00:20 PM EDT
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I fent. Got the Crye instead of the helmet. Got the L4. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 12:45:08 PM EDT
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More Georgian's with night vision! Welcome to the club!
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Posted: 10/13/2016 12:48:47 PM EDT
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Howdy, I will throw my 2 cents in but then again Im a bit biased. First off I recommend a bump helmet over a night cap any night, the benefits are protection, a solid lock up between shroud and mount with no shifting or wobble during dynamic stuff you may find yourself doing (running, climbing, driving, bumping into things with decreased spacial awareness. the opscore bump helmet is the route I'd go. And for a PVS-14 I really feel there is no need to buy a 450$ mount like the G24 as its overkill, the wWlcox L4 G11 is where I would go and it'll save you nearly 200$. The PVS-14 was designed as a helmet mounted system for the infantry grunt, it works very well inside of its envelope as that, coupled with an IR laser its a formidable system and a serious force multiplier for the foot soldier/Police Officer?Home defender/Nocturnal Hog hunter. having said that getting outside its envelope it doesn't do well. Its not a clip on NVD, it is not collimated and can really only be used behind a NVG compatible zero mag red dot or holo sight. unless you are laid up in a tree stand or on top of a roof I really would not even think about this setup at all. The Night cap is a toy, a bump helmet can be used for much more than NV stuff. I have worn mine horseback riding in the Rockies, whitewater rafting, trimming 50 ft oak trees in TX, sailing off shore in heavy seas and high winds, as well as riding ATV's in the hills of GA as a safety precaution. As always we are here at TNVC to answer any questions you may have. 
Then why does TNVC sell them? It's a purpose built night vision mounting hat that is much more comfortable than a standard skull crusher (I've never tried the fancier versions) and much cheaper than a "good" bump helmet. It isn't quite as stable, true, but it IS cooler if you live in a warm environment. It also isn't that hard to add stuff to it like a light or an IR strobe. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 2:57:42 PM EDT
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Then why does TNVC sell them? It's a purpose built night vision mounting hat that is much more comfortable than a standard skull crusher (I've never tried the fancier versions) and much cheaper than a "good" bump helmet. It isn't quite as stable, true, but it IS cooler if you live in a warm environment. It also isn't that hard to add stuff to it like a light or an IR strobe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Howdy, I will throw my 2 cents in but then again Im a bit biased. First off I recommend a bump helmet over a night cap any night, the benefits are protection, a solid lock up between shroud and mount with no shifting or wobble during dynamic stuff you may find yourself doing (running, climbing, driving, bumping into things with decreased spacial awareness. the opscore bump helmet is the route I'd go. And for a PVS-14 I really feel there is no need to buy a 450$ mount like the G24 as its overkill, the wWlcox L4 G11 is where I would go and it'll save you nearly 200$. The PVS-14 was designed as a helmet mounted system for the infantry grunt, it works very well inside of its envelope as that, coupled with an IR laser its a formidable system and a serious force multiplier for the foot soldier/Police Officer?Home defender/Nocturnal Hog hunter. having said that getting outside its envelope it doesn't do well. Its not a clip on NVD, it is not collimated and can really only be used behind a NVG compatible zero mag red dot or holo sight. unless you are laid up in a tree stand or on top of a roof I really would not even think about this setup at all. The Night cap is a toy, a bump helmet can be used for much more than NV stuff. I have worn mine horseback riding in the Rockies, whitewater rafting, trimming 50 ft oak trees in TX, sailing off shore in heavy seas and high winds, as well as riding ATV's in the hills of GA as a safety precaution. 
As always we are here at TNVC to answer any questions you may have.
Then why does TNVC sell them? It's a purpose built night vision mounting hat that is much more comfortable than a standard skull crusher (I've never tried the fancier versions) and much cheaper than a "good" bump helmet. It isn't quite as stable, true, but it IS cooler if you live in a warm environment. It also isn't that hard to add stuff to it like a light or an IR strobe. Sam as you can see is very opinionated and truthful on what he uses for his specific requirements and for HEAVY activity, the NightCap is a toy to him. For me, stuffing it in my bugout pack and routine camping and night hiking, it's the only way I roll.
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Posted: 10/13/2016 3:17:13 PM EDT
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Then why does TNVC sell them? It's a purpose built night vision mounting hat that is much more comfortable than a standard skull crusher (I've never tried the fancier versions) and much cheaper than a "good" bump helmet. It isn't quite as stable, true, but it IS cooler if you live in a warm environment. It also isn't that hard to add stuff to it like a light or an IR strobe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Howdy, I will throw my 2 cents in but then again Im a bit biased. First off I recommend a bump helmet over a night cap any night, the benefits are protection, a solid lock up between shroud and mount with no shifting or wobble during dynamic stuff you may find yourself doing (running, climbing, driving, bumping into things with decreased spacial awareness. the opscore bump helmet is the route I'd go. And for a PVS-14 I really feel there is no need to buy a 450$ mount like the G24 as its overkill, the wWlcox L4 G11 is where I would go and it'll save you nearly 200$. The PVS-14 was designed as a helmet mounted system for the infantry grunt, it works very well inside of its envelope as that, coupled with an IR laser its a formidable system and a serious force multiplier for the foot soldier/Police Officer?Home defender/Nocturnal Hog hunter. having said that getting outside its envelope it doesn't do well. Its not a clip on NVD, it is not collimated and can really only be used behind a NVG compatible zero mag red dot or holo sight. unless you are laid up in a tree stand or on top of a roof I really would not even think about this setup at all. The Night cap is a toy, a bump helmet can be used for much more than NV stuff. I have worn mine horseback riding in the Rockies, whitewater rafting, trimming 50 ft oak trees in TX, sailing off shore in heavy seas and high winds, as well as riding ATV's in the hills of GA as a safety precaution. As always we are here at TNVC to answer any questions you may have.
Then why does TNVC sell them? It's a purpose built night vision mounting hat that is much more comfortable than a standard skull crusher (I've never tried the fancier versions) and much cheaper than a "good" bump helmet. It isn't quite as stable, true, but it IS cooler if you live in a warm environment. It also isn't that hard to add stuff to it like a light or an IR strobe. TNVC sells a wide array of gear (3500+ items), from the soft use hobbyist stuff to the rough and tumble door kicker gear. A toy doesn't have to be crap nor did I say that it was, I simply offered my opinion as to the "best" setup. Crye Precision is a leading textile producer for the US Military and their stuff is not crap, but the Nightcap def not a milspec piece of gear. In all my years over seas Ive never seen a Nightcap in country. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 3:59:27 PM EDT
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 I wouldn't expect you to have seen it in country considering it was released in 2013.
FWIW, I personally own and prefer a bump helmet, but the NiteCap is just fine for most things civis will be using it for plus it's a LOT cheaper and isn't a helmet (a big component of the OP's request). Quoted:
I do not want to buy a $1k+ helmet for this. What are my sub $500 options? I don't want a helmet at all if possible, but something better than a skull-crusher would be nice. TIA He was practically begging for you to sell him what I directed him to. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 4:16:09 PM EDT
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There are plenty of options sub 500$, certainly the nightcap is one of them, but if you can spend a little more your capability gain goes up. as far as dealing with High temp environments I am in N. FL, I hunt in swamps, pine forests and palmetto jungles, it is extremely humid and pretty dang hot the vast majority of the year, a vented helmet such as an opscore works very well with passive cooling. If you like your nightcap great run it like a champ, dont come in here and get into an argument with somebody who is simply giving an opinion after the OP asked for just that.
the opscore skull mount is probably where I'd look if a helmet is absolutely out of the question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wouldn't expect you to have seen it in country considering it was released in 2013.
FWIW, I personally own and prefer a bump helmet, but the NiteCap is just fine for most things civis will be using it for plus it's a LOT cheaper and isn't a helmet (a big component of the OP's request). He was practically begging for you to sell him what I directed him to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wouldn't expect you to have seen it in country considering it was released in 2013.
FWIW, I personally own and prefer a bump helmet, but the NiteCap is just fine for most things civis will be using it for plus it's a LOT cheaper and isn't a helmet (a big component of the OP's request). Quoted:
I do not want to buy a $1k+ helmet for this. What are my sub $500 options? I don't want a helmet at all if possible, but something better than a skull-crusher would be nice. TIA He was practically begging for you to sell him what I directed him to. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 4:18:27 PM EDT
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There are plenty of options sub 500$, certainly the nightcap is one of them, but if you can spend a little more your capability gain goes up. as far as dealing with High temp environments I am in N. FL, I hunt in swamps, pine forests and palmetto jungles, it is extremely humid and pretty dang hot the vast majority of the year, a vented helmet such as an opscore works very well with passive cooling. If you like your nightcap great run it like a champ, dont come in here and get into an argument with somebody who is simply giving an opinion after the OP asked for just that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are plenty of options sub 500$, certainly the nightcap is one of them, but if you can spend a little more your capability gain goes up. as far as dealing with High temp environments I am in N. FL, I hunt in swamps, pine forests and palmetto jungles, it is extremely humid and pretty dang hot the vast majority of the year, a vented helmet such as an opscore works very well with passive cooling. If you like your nightcap great run it like a champ, dont come in here and get into an argument with somebody who is simply giving an opinion after the OP asked for just that. OP specifically asked for choices that ARE NOT HELMETS. Not sure why that is so hard to understand. Quoted:
the opscore skull mount is probably where I'd look if a helmet is absolutely out of the question. https://tnvc.com/shop/ops-core-skull-crusher/ Now that is a neat option. ETA: Sam, my apologies. I'm not upset in any way. I do enjoy a good argument at times.Thanks for your service. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 10:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More Georgian's with night vision! Welcome to the club! |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 10:35:50 PM EDT
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This thread is relevant to my interests. I hope (plan?) to pick up a TNVC PVS-14 very soon and am mostly holding out for the best sale price (Black Friday or Christmas?). I'll need headgear, mount, shroud and laser / illuminator. I'm a civvy who does not hunt, and will have this for Just In Case, so I'm trying to get the best budget configuration without sacrificing quality (inexpensive vs. cheap).
If it turns out I find a use for this and actually use it on a semi regular basis, I'll upgrade anything necessary - money is not the obstacle as much as spending on something I expect to mostly gather dust. So it sounds like the Nitecap + G4 is a good combo. What shroud did you choose, OP? And what made you decide to buy now? |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 12:22:28 AM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart:
Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 6:12:32 AM EDT
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Nightcap does work OK with those "force-to-overcome" flip up mounts, but is best with push button versions. There are push button mounts that take the standard PVS-14 J-arm bayonet interface too, from Norotos at least there's plenty. The new LoSto mounts aren't as bulky as the older ones (which on the other hand you can grab for nothing on eBay).
Edit: and what comes to counterweights that is a personal matter I think. I run mine without when using a monocular, it is steady enough and holds the balance well if you have the lower chin straps tight enough. You don't notice the weight much at all. |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 8:16:00 AM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? PM sent |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 10:57:10 AM EDT
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So it sounds like the Nitecap + G4 is a good combo. What shroud did you choose, OP? And what made you decide to buy now? I am still discussing the shroud with TNVC cause I am a n00b and forgot to add one to the order. I got it now as the funds for this purchase were finally freed up when I did not have to spend as much on my TIG purchase as I had planned for. I have been saving for this for several years. It's been night-vision week here, as I also got an NSP-3 from Apex to tinker with. TNVC says it will be a couple of weeks before they deliver the gear, it's kind of like a mini NFA wait. 
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Posted: 10/14/2016 11:29:28 AM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? You will like the multicam dip we use, I see you chose that option. 
PM sent as well.... Vic |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 11:39:23 AM EDT
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I am still discussing the shroud with TNVC cause I am a n00b and forgot to add one to the order. I got it now as the funds for this purchase were finally freed up when I did not have to spend as much on my TIG purchase as I had planned for. I have been saving for this for several years. It's been night-vision week here, as I also got an NSP-3 from Apex to tinker with. TNVC says it will be a couple of weeks before they deliver the gear, it's kind of like a mini NFA wait.
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So it sounds like the Nitecap + G4 is a good combo. What shroud did you choose, OP? And what made you decide to buy now? I am still discussing the shroud with TNVC cause I am a n00b and forgot to add one to the order. I got it now as the funds for this purchase were finally freed up when I did not have to spend as much on my TIG purchase as I had planned for. I have been saving for this for several years. It's been night-vision week here, as I also got an NSP-3 from Apex to tinker with. TNVC says it will be a couple of weeks before they deliver the gear, it's kind of like a mini NFA wait.
Thank you Sir.
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Posted: 10/14/2016 11:47:06 AM EDT
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I recently picked up a G11 mount, 3 hole shroud, and against sam's recommendation a nightcap.
I have to say, I'm really glad that TNVC sells it, as it is definitely quality and purpose built...simultaneously, I'm really glad that different folks at TNVC articulate their preferences for gear. Having run with the nightcap for a week or so, I fully agree with Sam's description. If you must have something to stuff in your pocket, don't want ballistic protection, and aren't doing anything super active, the nightcap works great. There is definitely movement between the shroud and the cap though, and overall has a lot more play than a helmet. I think it really depends on how sensitive you are to movement and wobble. if you want an absolutely rock solid no movement system, where position over the eye is not changing even if you are running - don't get the nightcap. If you want something for a SHTF fantasy, occasional use, or must have something that stows easily, the nightcap is great. Personally, I don't see the stow/pocket thing as that big of a benefit. You will leave your pvs attached to the mount anyway, which fits inside a helmet, so you aren't really saving any room in your pack anyway. Just my two cents here. Love the fact that TNVC sells quality stuff , but keeps it real with personal preferences. -Freq |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 12:23:40 PM EDT
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You will like the multicam dip we use, I see you chose that option.
PM sent as well.... Vic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? You will like the multicam dip we use, I see you chose that option.
PM sent as well.... Vic Yeah, I didn't like the $294 price tag for the dip, but I might as well be color coordinated, right? 
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:20:43 PM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? PM sent |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:52:56 PM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? D_J, Here's almost that same setup in black if you'd like to see it. The black PVS-14 is a Gen 3 blem from Armasight. The tan setup is the WP L3 filmless from TNVC. The nightcap is my loaner unit and I really like it because you can fit it to anyone in just a few seconds. That being said, the Ops-Core FAST Carbon bump helmet is much more secure and comfortable. BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:13:20 PM EDT
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D_J, Here's almost that same setup in black if you'd like to see it. The black PVS-14 is a Gen 3 blem from Armasight. The tan setup is the WP L3 filmless from TNVC. The nightcap is my loaner unit and I really like it because you can fit it to anyone in just a few seconds. That being said, the Ops-Core FAST Carbon bump helmet is much more secure and comfortable. BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/robertlee3rd/1964CA1C-FD47-4028-8D41-743F319888F4.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? D_J, Here's almost that same setup in black if you'd like to see it. The black PVS-14 is a Gen 3 blem from Armasight. The tan setup is the WP L3 filmless from TNVC. The nightcap is my loaner unit and I really like it because you can fit it to anyone in just a few seconds. That being said, the Ops-Core FAST Carbon bump helmet is much more secure and comfortable. BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/robertlee3rd/1964CA1C-FD47-4028-8D41-743F319888F4.jpg Impressive setups! I have seen a few threads on WP and looked at a couple of pictures, but really know nothing of the pros/cons vs regular NV. How much extra are we talking and what do you get for it? What are the downsides? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:28:08 AM EDT
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Impressive setups! I have seen a few threads on WP and looked at a couple of pictures, but really know nothing of the pros/cons vs regular NV. How much extra are we talking and what do you get for it? What are the downsides? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? D_J, Here's almost that same setup in black if you'd like to see it. The black PVS-14 is a Gen 3 blem from Armasight. The tan setup is the WP L3 filmless from TNVC. The nightcap is my loaner unit and I really like it because you can fit it to anyone in just a few seconds. That being said, the Ops-Core FAST Carbon bump helmet is much more secure and comfortable. BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/robertlee3rd/1964CA1C-FD47-4028-8D41-743F319888F4.jpg Impressive setups! I have seen a few threads on WP and looked at a couple of pictures, but really know nothing of the pros/cons vs regular NV. How much extra are we talking and what do you get for it? What are the downsides? The WP is $825 more than the one you're looking at. To me, WP is much easier on your eyes and much more natural looking. The WP is also filmless giving you better clarity and 15-20% more light transfer. I got the green unit first and was amazed how good it was, but the WP is another level better yet. AFAIK, the only downside is the extra cost. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:12:21 AM EDT
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Revision Viper A3.
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Posted: 11/1/2016 5:04:30 PM EDT
[#31]
If I were to select the OC bump helmet instead of the Nightcap, do I still need the L4 shroud? The helmet seems to say it has a shroud build it, but I'm not sure if I'm understanding that right.
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Posted: 11/1/2016 10:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were to select the OC bump helmet instead of the Nightcap, do I still need the L4 shroud? The helmet seems to say it has a shroud build it, but I'm not sure if I'm understanding that right. The shroud is molded in to the plastic, you would not need an additional shroud. |
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Posted: 11/1/2016 11:04:14 PM EDT
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This one? https://tnvc.com/shop/ops-core-fast-base-jump-shell/ The shroud is molded in to the plastic, you would not need an additional shroud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were to select the OC bump helmet instead of the Nightcap, do I still need the L4 shroud? The helmet seems to say it has a shroud build it, but I'm not sure if I'm understanding that right. The shroud is molded in to the plastic, you would not need an additional shroud. Sorry, yes - i should have been more specific. Looks like the nightcap + shroud is not much less than the helmet, so I would probably change my order unless there's a reason not to get it. I saw the thread with the link to the $75 upgraded pads. I just need to wait for the market to improve a bit and my limit orders to go through, or wait for something to go on sale. 
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Posted: 11/2/2016 9:09:56 AM EDT
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 How'd I do? I have your exact set up. I like it. That said, I'm low speed high drag. My Nightcap is cooler and more comfortable than my Ops Core, but I don't run or go in places where I need the bump protection (except for that tree branch I didn't quite clear in Yellowstone, ouch!) I use the Nightcap way more than the helmet now. If you travel, a helmet is a big item that takes up a lot of room. I was able to take 3 sets of night vision and 3 Nightcaps to Yellowstone last month in my carry-on. The kids loved it. The Nightcap has limitations. It's much more difficult to hang things (IR illumination, admin light, etc.) off of it. As far as mounts, the L4G11 is a good mount, but if you're using the Nightcap that "force to overcome" mount is against your head. If I had a do-over I might get a push button mount like the G24. As a recreational user it's not necessary, but it does improve overall comfort. I'm looking forward to receiving my Ops Core 4D liner from TNVC later this week. I won't be able to use it much until the 15th or so, and I'll report back then if it makes that much of a difference for me. Good luck with your purchase decision! |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 9:39:00 AM EDT
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I have your exact set up. I like it. That said, I'm low speed high drag. My Nightcap is cooler and more comfortable than my Ops Core, but I don't run or go in places where I need the bump protection (except for that tree branch I didn't quite clear in Yellowstone, ouch!) I use the Nightcap way more than the helmet now. If you travel, a helmet is a big item that takes up a lot of room. I was able to take 3 sets of night vision and 3 Nightcaps to Yellowstone last month in my carry-on. The kids loved it. The Nightcap has limitations. It's much more difficult to hang things (IR illumination, admin light, etc.) off of it. As far as mounts, the L4G11 is a good mount, but if you're using the Nightcap that "force to overcome" mount is against your head. If I had a do-over I might get a push button mount like the G24. As a recreational user it's not necessary, but it does improve overall comfort. I'm looking forward to receiving my Ops Core 4D liner from TNVC later this week. I won't be able to use it much until the 15th or so, and I'll report back then if it makes that much of a difference for me. Good luck with your purchase decision! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 How'd I do? I have your exact set up. I like it. That said, I'm low speed high drag. My Nightcap is cooler and more comfortable than my Ops Core, but I don't run or go in places where I need the bump protection (except for that tree branch I didn't quite clear in Yellowstone, ouch!) I use the Nightcap way more than the helmet now. If you travel, a helmet is a big item that takes up a lot of room. I was able to take 3 sets of night vision and 3 Nightcaps to Yellowstone last month in my carry-on. The kids loved it. The Nightcap has limitations. It's much more difficult to hang things (IR illumination, admin light, etc.) off of it. As far as mounts, the L4G11 is a good mount, but if you're using the Nightcap that "force to overcome" mount is against your head. If I had a do-over I might get a push button mount like the G24. As a recreational user it's not necessary, but it does improve overall comfort. I'm looking forward to receiving my Ops Core 4D liner from TNVC later this week. I won't be able to use it much until the 15th or so, and I'll report back then if it makes that much of a difference for me. Good luck with your purchase decision!  
That's awesome. I'm not sure I'd trust my 8 and 9 year olds with $4k worth of tech each. On the other hand, I'm the dumbass who dumped a full, extra large coffee all over the inside of my truck today so who am I to point fingers? 
I hear you though, and in all likelihood I would get both (Ops Core & Nightcap). I would like to run an illuminator on the helmet and a laser on the rifle, but don't necessarily need both all the time if I just want to take a stroll so the Nightcap makes a lot of sense as well. I *do* think I would probably add a thermal sight before a second 14, but who knows - once I get it I may find I use it more than expected (suburbia). Thank you for the feedback! |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 9:49:49 AM EDT
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My advice is that the good helmet can come later.
get to the dovetail mount now. Do not invest in and get stuck with the bayonet j arms and mounts. They suck. I am dealing with so much legacy bullshit that i just need to replace but don't want to go back and spend the $600 dollars all over again. |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 9:53:19 AM EDT
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My advice is that the good helmet can come later. get to the dovetail mount now. Do not invest in and get stuck with the bayonet j arms and mounts. They suck. I am dealing with so much legacy bullshit that i just need to replace but don't want to go back and spend the $600 dollars all over again. Which one is the dovetail? The G24? |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 10:01:08 AM EDT
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My advice is that the good helmet can come later. get to the dovetail mount now. Do not invest in and get stuck with the bayonet j arms and mounts. They suck. I am dealing with so much legacy bullshit that i just need to replace but don't want to go back and spend the $600 dollars all over again. Which one is the dovetail? The G24? Yup & get a Norotos Dual Dovetail Adapter to go with it. The horizontal adjustment is tits. It helps get that green ball as close to the center of your vision as possible and lets one eye take over for the other, which helps reduce eye strain a bit. Your eyes are still going to go bonkers after an hour or two, but it helps
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Posted: 11/3/2016 8:55:27 PM EDT
[#39]
OK, I got the Crye nightcap and the L4 shroud, the L4-G11 mount, and mounted everything up. I have the horizontal spacing on the G11 maxed out and the ocular lens is still way too close for my glasses. I can see through OK, but this is not ideal. I also cannot get the rotational angle exactly correct for the height of the mount, so I am a bit Marty Feldman. Fit and hold is OK, I even did some burpees and ran around a bit (woah that's weird) and it stayed put OK, but it kept bumping into my nose and glasses. This is bare-ended without the eye cup. Are there longer mounts, horizontally? Am I doing something wrong? |
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Posted: 11/3/2016 10:21:16 PM EDT
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Check out the EE or ebay for used bump helmets. I just bid on a used protec bravo halfshell and got it for $30 shipped. I bought a used opscore dial kit that I may try to retrofit in the protec also. Paid $30 for the dial kit. I think for head mounting some type of helmet is the best option.
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Posted: 11/3/2016 11:43:36 PM EDT
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I glared at it a while and figured out I had not properly aligned the rotational joint, that helped with the eye alignment a lot. I then cut up some foam padding I had and added it behind the forehead pad to get a bit more offset and I am happy with the result. Adding the foam got me the eye relief I needed for my glasses. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 1:04:25 AM EDT
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The WP is $825 more than the one you're looking at. To me, WP is much easier on your eyes and much more natural looking. The WP is also filmless giving you better clarity and 15-20% more light transfer. I got the green unit first and was amazed how good it was, but the WP is another level better yet. AFAIK, the only downside is the extra cost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For shits and giggles, I built myself a shopping cart: Cart Items Item Price Item Total TNV/PVS-14 L3 Gen3 OMNI VIII $3,389.00 $3,389.00 Crye Precision Nightcap™ NVG Platform $97.50 $97.50 Wilcox L4 G11 Mount - ARMY $265.00 $265.00 EOG Low Profile Counter Weight Short $31.99 $31.99 Wilcox L4 Three Hole Shroud $113.00 $113.00 Subtotal $3,896.49 Estimated Shipping $26.32 Tax $0.00 Total $3,922.81 How'd I do? D_J, Here's almost that same setup in black if you'd like to see it. The black PVS-14 is a Gen 3 blem from Armasight. The tan setup is the WP L3 filmless from TNVC. The nightcap is my loaner unit and I really like it because you can fit it to anyone in just a few seconds. That being said, the Ops-Core FAST Carbon bump helmet is much more secure and comfortable. BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/robertlee3rd/1964CA1C-FD47-4028-8D41-743F319888F4.jpg Impressive setups! I have seen a few threads on WP and looked at a couple of pictures, but really know nothing of the pros/cons vs regular NV. How much extra are we talking and what do you get for it? What are the downsides? The WP is $825 more than the one you're looking at. To me, WP is much easier on your eyes and much more natural looking. The WP is also filmless giving you better clarity and 15-20% more light transfer. I got the green unit first and was amazed how good it was, but the WP is another level better yet. AFAIK, the only downside is the extra cost. Do you a source to support the 15-20% more light transfer claim? Isn't WP just a different color? |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 1:24:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you a source to support the 15-20% more light transfer claim? Isn't WP just a different color? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: <tree pruning> BTW, if you can scrounge up a few more nickels and step up to the WP filmless, it is freakin' incredible! http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/robertlee3rd/1964CA1C-FD47-4028-8D41-743F319888F4.jpg Impressive setups! I have seen a few threads on WP and looked at a couple of pictures, but really know nothing of the pros/cons vs regular NV. How much extra are we talking and what do you get for it? What are the downsides? The WP is $825 more than the one you're looking at. To me, WP is much easier on your eyes and much more natural looking. The WP is also filmless giving you better clarity and 15-20% more light transfer. I got the green unit first and was amazed how good it was, but the WP is another level better yet. AFAIK, the only downside is the extra cost. Do you a source to support the 15-20% more light transfer claim? Isn't WP just a different color? I'm sure one of the TNVC guys Will be by to drop knowledge on us (still waiting on my TNV/PVS-14, type less build faster  ), but there is a definite improvement in light transfer. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 1:36:11 AM EDT
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OK, I got the Crye nightcap and the L4 shroud, the L4-G11 mount, and mounted everything up. I have the horizontal spacing on the G11 maxed out and the ocular lens is still way too close for my glasses. I can see through OK, but this is not ideal. I also cannot get the rotational angle exactly correct for the height of the mount, so I am a bit Marty Feldman. Fit and hold is OK, I even did some burpees and ran around a bit (woah that's weird) and it stayed put OK, but it kept bumping into my nose and glasses. This is bare-ended without the eye cup. Are there longer mounts, horizontally? Am I doing something wrong? I'm jelly. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 3:41:00 AM EDT
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Highlighted the important part for the extra light transfer. I think the Omni VIII unit linked was thin-filmed, so not sure on the increase from thin-filmed to unfilmed, but it makes a difference. I'm sure one of the TNVC guys Will be by to drop knowledge on us (still waiting on my TNV/PVS-14, type less build faster ), but there is a definite improvement in light transfer.
Thank you. I understand. I didn't see that the green L3 tube originally mentioned was thinned filmed, I saw that it was L3 and assumed it was filmless. I've no doubts about the extra light transfer. DJ I'd get the WP tube the specs on those as late have been mind blowingly good. It would very likely be worth the $. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 11:11:18 AM EDT
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Thank you. I understand. I didn't see that the green L3 tube originally mentioned was thinned filmed, I saw that it was L3 and assumed it was filmless. I've no doubts about the extra light transfer. DJ I'd get the WP tube the specs on those as late have been mind blowingly good. It would very likely be worth the $. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Highlighted the important part for the extra light transfer. I think the Omni VIII unit linked was thin-filmed, so not sure on the increase from thin-filmed to unfilmed, but it makes a difference. I'm sure one of the TNVC guys Will be by to drop knowledge on us (still waiting on my TNV/PVS-14, type less build faster ), but there is a definite improvement in light transfer.
Thank you. I understand. I didn't see that the green L3 tube originally mentioned was thinned filmed, I saw that it was L3 and assumed it was filmless. I've no doubts about the extra light transfer. DJ I'd get the WP tube the specs on those as late have been mind blowingly good. It would very likely be worth the $. Yeah, I've decided to pony up for the WP. Just need the election to stop f'ing with the stock market.
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