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Posted: 7/24/2016 11:41:36 AM EDT
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It's a unit that was designed as a head mounted system and could incidentally be weapon mounted behind red dot sights on low recoil guns.
It's not designed to be mounted in front of optics as a clip on. Basically it can't be zeroed. There are ways to sticky them behind optics, but it's jerry rigging at best and causes some other issues. It's really not a great provide for acting in lieu of a clip on for a bolt gun. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 11:52:46 AM EDT
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Actually, there is an option that allows you to zero and place your PVS 14 in front of a day optic...its 1600 bucks though.
http://www.browe-inc.com/categories/BLACK-OPTEX-%252d-ZERO-LENS/ |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 1:56:53 PM EDT
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On a 5.56 gun with eotech or aimpoint the PVS14 is workable as a weapon sight but I only like to rifle mount for short periods of time as i am always fearful of reticle burn. An IR laser and pressure pad with the pvs14 on the rifle with no optic can be nice too. You can even screw in the 3x magnifier and have 3 power magnification.
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Posted: 7/24/2016 1:58:16 PM EDT
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Funky refresh tripletap please delete
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Posted: 7/24/2016 3:40:07 PM EDT
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Triple tap
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Posted: 7/24/2016 4:41:30 PM EDT
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All good posts above ! Keep your 14 head mounted and get a good IR laser. You can put your laser on any gun it will mount. Good for 100m at least. If you need longer ranges a dedicated upper with a NV rifle scope does the trick as well as a clip on. I keep an upper just setup for night vision. I mostly just use the IR laser though. A no hub coupling and a couple band clamps gives a good Bubba setup to mount your 14 behind your day scope but that causes some issues.
The biggest is light loss and subsequently amplification loss in your 14 due to all the glass the unit is working through, The guys across the pond love this option but IR lasers are gaining traction. Ever since they came out with the civvy legal IR lasers it kind of took away all the excuses to go the Bubba route. The 14 was designed with .223 rifle use in mind but in reality it is rarely done. IR lasers are the go to. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 4:42:40 PM EDT
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 4:51:27 PM EDT
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A clip on does go in front of a day optic with no change. A PVS14 isn't a clip on and doesn't have that capability. An IR laser is the best starating point. It have the disadvantage of not being a true wEaton sight. Aa for why a monocular? A bino will be about 2.5x the price of a minutiae with equivalent spec tubes. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 4:52:17 PM EDT
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. To each his own and it is a mater of personal preference and cash as bino setups don't come cheap. I can see uses for both but for my putting around in the fields and boating I like a monocular.  You are rarely in total black darkness and the unaided eye gives your brain information as well as better FOV and situational awareness. Just my .02
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Posted: 7/24/2016 6:50:37 PM EDT
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All right, I'll start shopping with this new information. Thanks !
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:57:17 AM EDT
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A PVS-14 with a great tube, coupled with a good Lasers and Helmet worn by a trained and motivated individual is a formidable setup and will provide many many years of service, and honestly I like the -14, from a cost point and weight saving stand point it is the cats ass. Sure with Bino's come some increased capabilities but having that one dark adapted eye in certain situations especially in urban environments with changing light conditions can be a literal life saver. Get training and you'll be as good as somebody with no training and a GP/NVG-18 setup.
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:26:33 AM EDT
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A PVS-14 with a great tube, coupled with a good Lasers and Helmet worn by a trained and motivated individual is a formidable setup and will provide many many years of service, and honestly I like the -14, from a cost point and weight saving stand point it is the cats ass. Sure with Bino's come some increased capabilities but having that one dark adapted eye in certain situations especially in urban environments with changing light conditions can be a literal life saver. Get training and you'll be as good as somebody with no training and a GP/NVG-18 setup. +1 as I've always mentioned, I wear 14's in urban environments, I have better situational awareness for me. I've been wearing 14's for so long I can actually switch viewing in each eye with no issues (NV eye or non NV eye). I use duals in rural areas. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 3:50:39 PM EDT
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MOD-3 monocular is a good option for a versatile, entry-level device as well.
Most MOD-3 models lack the variable gain of the PVS-14, but otherwise are shorter, lighter, and more durable, using all of the readily available PVS-14 optics and accessories. In addition to providing most of the functionality of the PVS-14, if you decide to go with duals/save more money, you can buy a second monocular housing and the bino-bridge, and have a set good set of NV binoculars without the high penalties of bridged PVS-14s. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:32:32 PM EDT
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A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. I rarely disagree with your posts, but I do here. Bino's definitely give you a wider FOV than just a monocular as well as definitely adding more depth of field. It's not near as wide as unaided eyes, but it's definitely wider IMO. However the un aided eye on a monocular setup does have a wider FOV than one looking through a second tube if there is enough light to see by and you're not putting a thermal or other bright light in front of it regularly.... |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:47:21 PM EDT
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I rarely disagree with your posts, but I do here. Bino's definitely give you a wider FOV than just a monocular as well as definitely adding more depth of field. It's not near as wide as unaided eyes, but it's definitely wider IMO. However the un aided eye on a monocular setup does have a wider FOV than one looking through a second tube if there is enough light to see by and you're not putting a thermal or other bright light in front of it regularly.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. I rarely disagree with your posts, but I do here. Bino's definitely give you a wider FOV than just a monocular as well as definitely adding more depth of field. It's not near as wide as unaided eyes, but it's definitely wider IMO. However the un aided eye on a monocular setup does have a wider FOV than one looking through a second tube if there is enough light to see by and you're not putting a thermal or other bright light in front of it regularly.... I agree which is why I said MOST bino scopes. If you look at the specs for the AVS-9 and the PVS-14 you will find they both have 40 degree FOV. This is due to the overlap the AVS-9 has. I thought the same way as you but it just seems you have a wider FOV when in reality you still have 40 degrees. Now the panoramic bino scopes have a much wider FOV but they use 4 tubes. You really don't get a wider FOV with standard bino goggles. Folks don't grasp it but it is true and the L3 and ITT published specs tell the story on bino scopes. You get the same 40 degrees as with a 14. It seems unbelievable but is true.
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:50:50 PM EDT
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I agree which is why I said MOST bino scopes. If you look at the specs for the AVS-9 and the PVS-14 you will find they both have 40 degree FOV. This is due to the overlap the AVS-9 has. I thought the same way as you but it just seems you have a wider FOV when in reality you still have 40 degrees. Now the panoramic bino scopes have a much wider FOV but they use 4 tubes. You really don't get a wider FOV with standard bino goggles. Folks don't grasp it but it is true and the L3 and ITT published specs tell the story on bino scopes. You get the same 40 degrees as with a 14. It seems unbelievable but is true.
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. I rarely disagree with your posts, but I do here. Bino's definitely give you a wider FOV than just a monocular as well as definitely adding more depth of field. It's not near as wide as unaided eyes, but it's definitely wider IMO. However the un aided eye on a monocular setup does have a wider FOV than one looking through a second tube if there is enough light to see by and you're not putting a thermal or other bright light in front of it regularly.... I agree which is why I said MOST bino scopes. If you look at the specs for the AVS-9 and the PVS-14 you will find they both have 40 degree FOV. This is due to the overlap the AVS-9 has. I thought the same way as you but it just seems you have a wider FOV when in reality you still have 40 degrees. Now the panoramic bino scopes have a much wider FOV but they use 4 tubes. You really don't get a wider FOV with standard bino goggles. Folks don't grasp it but it is true and the L3 and ITT published specs tell the story on bino scopes. You get the same 40 degrees as with a 14. It seems unbelievable but is true.
No reason to doubt you've seen the research, but it sure does seem a wider FOV with my mod 3 binos than with my single pvs14. It's not a lot more, but it sure seems like more.... I'll have to do some "camera 1" "camera 2" tests. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:30:13 PM EDT
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I agree which is why I said MOST bino scopes. If you look at the specs for the AVS-9 and the PVS-14 you will find they both have 40 degree FOV. This is due to the overlap the AVS-9 has. I thought the same way as you but it just seems you have a wider FOV when in reality you still have 40 degrees. Now the panoramic bino scopes have a much wider FOV but they use 4 tubes. You really don't get a wider FOV with standard bino goggles. Folks don't grasp it but it is true and the L3 and ITT published specs tell the story on bino scopes. You get the same 40 degrees as with a 14. It seems unbelievable but is true.
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Ahh ok, I was under the wrong impression. I thought that a clip on NV unit went in front of the day optic allowing it to be used at nighttime with no change in point of impact since you are using the same scope, etc and just adding the NV unit to gather enough light. ETA: So if an IR laser is the way to go why buy a monocular over a goggle setup? Is having one eye dark adapted that much of an advantage? A PVS-14 is not a clip on unit and is not designed to go in front of optics due to POA, POI issues. It can be done but not cheaply or easily. I like a monocular as one eye dark adapted is a huge plus for me. Some guys like a bino setup as they feel it gives depth perception and stereo vision. However, your FOV is the same as a monocular with most bino setups. I used bino gear but prefer a monocular. I rarely disagree with your posts, but I do here. Bino's definitely give you a wider FOV than just a monocular as well as definitely adding more depth of field. It's not near as wide as unaided eyes, but it's definitely wider IMO. However the un aided eye on a monocular setup does have a wider FOV than one looking through a second tube if there is enough light to see by and you're not putting a thermal or other bright light in front of it regularly.... I agree which is why I said MOST bino scopes. If you look at the specs for the AVS-9 and the PVS-14 you will find they both have 40 degree FOV. This is due to the overlap the AVS-9 has. I thought the same way as you but it just seems you have a wider FOV when in reality you still have 40 degrees. Now the panoramic bino scopes have a much wider FOV but they use 4 tubes. You really don't get a wider FOV with standard bino goggles. Folks don't grasp it but it is true and the L3 and ITT published specs tell the story on bino scopes. You get the same 40 degrees as with a 14. It seems unbelievable but is true.
He's right, what you get is visual input with both eyes leading to a perceived feeling of better FOV, I will say we humans are used to using both eyes and our spatial awareness is better with Binos that's why it's much easier to drive/fly, run an obstacle course or scare kids from the bushes on Halloween with Binos, but the FOV remains about 40 degrees across the board. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:00:19 AM EDT
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That was my intention when I bought a pvs-14. Then after I bought a pvs-14, within about a 4 month period I ended up with three pvs-14's, a NVD bridge mount, a Norotos arm, and a new helmet...... funny how that works.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 5:10:15 PM EDT
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I am in the same boat, about to get PVS-14 number 2. Is the bayonet mount horrible for dual 14s? I know its going to be heavy, but will it be sturdy with a G11 Wilcox and the N-vision dual mount (not advanced one)?
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Posted: 7/26/2016 7:35:20 PM EDT
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Having just taken the TNVC Nightfighter course, I can tell you that a helmet-mounted PVS14 with an IR laser is a force to be dealt with at more or less any reasonable range with an AR. I've been mulling longer range options (namely some of the dedicated nightvision optics) for hunting with my bolt gun, but I'm confident that if I can see it well enough to determine my laser's on it, I can hit it within a hundred yards or better. I now regard my nods as the biggest force multiplier in my safe.
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Posted: 7/27/2016 3:45:32 AM EDT
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I am in the same boat, about to get PVS-14 number 2. Is the bayonet mount horrible for dual 14s? I know its going to be heavy, but will it be sturdy with a G11 Wilcox and the N-vision dual mount (not advanced one)? It has worked pretty well for me so far. Locks up solid, and it really doesn't weigh that much. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 8:52:22 AM EDT
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It has worked pretty well for me so far. Locks up solid, and it really doesn't weigh that much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am in the same boat, about to get PVS-14 number 2. Is the bayonet mount horrible for dual 14s? I know its going to be heavy, but will it be sturdy with a G11 Wilcox and the N-vision dual mount (not advanced one)? It has worked pretty well for me so far. Locks up solid, and it really doesn't weigh that much. Thanks Armystrong- Pretty sure I am going this route. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 8:56:21 AM EDT
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I am in the same boat, about to get PVS-14 number 2. Is the bayonet mount horrible for dual 14s? I know its going to be heavy, but will it be sturdy with a G11 Wilcox and the N-vision dual mount (not advanced one)? Not at all. Grab yourself a night vision depot dual adapter ($149) and run it with your Rhino II and you will be golden. I have that setup running two 14's and love it! Add a little more weight to your counter weight and its a comfortable setup to run for hours. |
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Posted: 7/29/2016 9:00:34 AM EDT
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Helmet mounting the 14 and an IR laser on the rifle is the way to go.
We always trained at night without NV back in the day, so I like to run my 14 over my left eye on the helmet. When I flip it up for breaks, I still have the God given "night vision" in my right eye. You can do a lot with just an ACOG at night if you've trained that way for years also. When it's time for an NV "break" and the 14 is flipped up, I can still "see" with my right eye and use the ACOG on the rifle. |
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