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Posted: 4/27/2015 4:04:14 PM EDT
These are the independent testing results, performed by TNVC. The purpose of this testing was to weigh the performance of the DBAL A3 Class 1 in real life conditions. *All photos posted below are of the DBAL A3 Class 1 performing. In the photos below you will see two letter annotations on most through the tube photos at distance. They are labeled that way to be able to convey which function was being used at that time. The chart below explains what the two letters mean. AL- Aiming Laser Low Power DL- Dual (IR Laser and IR Illuminator) Low Power AH- Aiming Laser High Power IH- IR Illuminator High Power DH- Dual (IR Laser and IR Illuminator) High Power OUTDOOR TESTING These photos were taken in a somewhat secluded area. There was no visible light within the vicinity, and the conditions were no stars, no moon, heavy clouds. The lighting you see on the horizon is from a car processing center located at one of the ports approximately 1 mile away There is a good amount of marsh separating that distance as well. The light is being refracted from the heavy cloud coverage. The photos below do not show the IR laser Low Power or IR laser High Power. The reason is because I couldn't tell a difference on the settings with my eye, and certainly couldn't tell the difference in the photos.     The furthest I am comfortable with saying is an effective range of the IR illuminator is 150-175 in it's narrowest form.  INDOOR TESTING All of these photos on the indoor test, were taken on the live fire range at Telluric Group’s training facility. This facility is optimized for low light/ no light training and the lighting can be controlled very precisely. The conditions in these photos are – no lights on whatsoever. The only visible light was the glow in the dark tape on the ranges light switch module, and the LED on the coffee machine in the classroom outside of the range, approximately 50 feet away, and on the other side of the bullet proof observation windows looking into the range. It was "can’t see my hand in front of my face” dark.    The above photo somewhat represents the usefulness of having a HI/LO setting on the IR illuminator. In most cases you would want to adjust your illuminator into it's widest setting possible, and put it on a low power setting when using in short range indoor environments. Notice house the High Power photo washes out the rest of the IPSC target that is resting on, and how you can see a good remaining portion of the IPSC target on the low power setting. This is very important for law enforcement/military/home defense, because too much IR light CAN and WILL wash out the person you're interrogating with IR light, and you won't be able to identify if they are friend or foe. Again, this is not a 1:1 representation because the IR light is a bit saturated. The IR illuminator is just as visible on this laser as it's restricted counterpart, and by that I mean just barely. It’s hard to see, unless you are standing DIRECTLY in front of the unit, looking DIRECTLY into the emitter, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. The faint red dot is hard to see and this is primarily because the emitter is recessed into the housing. The photos below, were taken with my iPhone 5, at a distance of 15 yards in pitch black conditions.  IR ILLUMINATOR WIDTHS The IR illuminator in it's narrowest form has a measurable spread of roughly 3 foot at 15 yards. In its widest form has a measurable beam of 5 foot. This means at 25 yards 5 feet (narrow) and 9 feet (wide), and so on.  AESTHETICS The exterior of the laser is identical to it's restricted counter-part, the DBAL A3 with the exception of not having the ability to zero or align the IR illuminator. In the photos below, you can see it's size compared to the DBAL I2, and how the rear controls are different.    Notice how the Class 1 DBAL A3 doesn't allow for "zeroing" of the IR illuminator. The visible override port is a pretty awesome feature that is used in this Class 1 DBAL A3, as well as the restricted DBAL A3. The Visible Override port accepts the Steiner Y cable. Essentially this allows you to have a Steiner white light as well as your visible laser activated when you depress this switch no matter what setting the laser is on. For instance, if I am clearing a building under nods, utilizing the DBAL A3 on an IR setting, if I have to transition to white light rapidly, I just depress the Y pressure pad and my white light and visible laser kick on. When I let go of the pressure pad, my IR laser/IR illuminator is still on (if I have had the laser set to IR constant on). You can also use the single pressure pad in the normal port for passive activation of the IR spectrum settings. The caveat to this is that this feature is only compatible with Steiner Weapon Lights like the Mk4 that is pictured here.  I would stress though the importance of keeping those two pressure switches in separate locations on the rifle that require a deliberate adjustment of hand positioning to achieve activation. White Light ND's are no bueno. In conclusion, I think the Steiner DBAL A3 Class 1 is a great option for folks that are looking for a solid, reliable IR laser, that also features an IR illuminator. I was a bit surprised at how much adjustability the IR illuminator beam has. For me, I typically set it and forget it, but for those looking for that option, it certainly works just fine. The Visible Override is also a cool feature that I am glad Steiner carried over from the restricted DBAL A3. I will say that you really have to mash down on the pressure pad of the Y cable in order to get the visible light and laser to kick on. I see this as something that perhaps just the cable I have is doing (because it's a prototype) and not really across the board, at least I am hoping. Other than those thoughts, I think its good to go. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 4:46:24 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong, is there not an option for high laser, low illuminator? Is there a time frame for shipping?
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Posted: 4/27/2015 7:13:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2015 7:51:02 PM EDT
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Big question is going to be....with all things considered, which do you prefer between this and the ATPIAL?
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Posted: 4/28/2015 12:32:44 AM EDT
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Why was the removal of the alignment or zeroing feature of the illuminatior needed? FDA?
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:49:51 AM EDT
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Why was the removal of the alignment or zeroing feature of the illuminatior needed? FDA? Also interesting to see the class I has a longer "barrel" for the illuminator. They had to create a longer "barrel" for the illuminator on the eye safe version because they needed to fit the electronics that automatically lower the power as you narrow down the beam. The full power version maintains the same power regardless of the beam diameter because it doesn't have to be limited by class1 FDA regs. The new eye safe version allows you to adjust the diameter of the IR illuminator beam in its 4mW output. At the widest setting, it is putting out a full 4mW, yet any point of measurement in the actual beam will be under 1mW. But, Steiner wanted to offer the ability to adjust the beam and doing so, would mean the output intensifies as it is focused. This would obviously make the readings over 1mW, so they added a smart circuit that would automatically lower the power as the beam is focused, thus keeping the output under 1mW regardless. In order to add this focusing feature, they had to add some other electronics and optics. And, they couldn't do it while maintaining the zeroing feature. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:57:17 AM EDT
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That is a major improvement over my old and well used DBAL-I2 unit, may have to ditch it and upgrade!
I really like the ATPIAL, the IR beam and Illum are both very nice, just wish it had a visible green laser as that often comes in handy around sunup or sundown and is much more functional than the red vis laser by a factor of 10X during the day. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 10:26:44 AM EDT
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Will the DBAL I2 neutral density filter fit the A3?
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Posted: 4/28/2015 11:38:57 AM EDT
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Will the DBAL I2 neutral density filter fit the A3? no |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 11:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will the DBAL I2 neutral density filter fit the A3? |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 11:41:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct me if I am wrong, is there not an option for high laser, low illuminator? Is there a time frame for shipping? read, and actually saw, no. That function or variation of function(s) does not exist. At least not in the IR spectrum that is. In the visible spectrum, yes - sort of. You can have high white light illuminator, low visible laser. If for some reason it was incorporated into one of these settings, and just not annotated anywhere, I couldn't tell from my usage. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 11:57:46 AM EDT
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Big question is going to be....with all things considered, which do you prefer between this and the ATPIAL? Still waiting for an opinion in this regard? Or are they 6 one way, half dozen another? |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 12:21:39 PM EDT
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Big question is going to be....with all things considered, which do you prefer between this and the ATPIAL? Still waiting for an opinion in this regard? Or are they 6 one way, half dozen another? Hi KimberMike. I won't speak for Eric but I had the unit for a few weeks and my opinion is basically the bold above. I wish we had one NV device that did everything and this goes for lights and lasers as well. -I wish the ATPIAL-C had a green laser at times for "dusk" work. During the day a moot point for me and I only see the green approx. 10-15 yards further on a bright sunny day. -I wish the DBAL-A3 had programmable IR laser features. -I wish the ATPIAL-C had low functions -I wish the DBAL-A3 visible override feature allowed other lights to be used besides their own. (Another reason for T.A.P.S. needs to come out yesterday )
As for other comparisons, these are moot IMHO, but users may vary and that is why choices are good. -Polymer vs. metal housing. (The ATPIAL is not a PEQ-2A type housing any longer in any way which broke a bunch) -QD vs. stationary. I never take my laser off the gun once it's on to transfer to another gun. (Modern hand guards are so much more stationary than they were several years ago which caused zero shifts at times). -Adjustable IR lum, as Eric said I keep mine set and run with it do to the power does not change on the A3 while tightening or opening up the beam. In the restricted models yes, I use different diameters to control intensity and distance. Just my humble opinions, but I DO like the low IR lum feature indoors as Eric showed...I like it a lot. 
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Posted: 4/28/2015 8:44:43 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong, is there not an option for high laser, low illuminator? Is there a time frame for shipping? Eric answered the first part.... Shipping we're told from LDI/Steiner is sometime next month. We've been accepting pre-orders as well.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 11:24:48 PM EDT
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could you do a quick demo of the mk4 battle-light? Maybe make a video of how it functions with the a3?
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Posted: 4/29/2015 2:41:18 AM EDT
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They had to create a longer "barrel" for the illuminator on the eye safe version because they needed to fit the electronics that automatically lower the power as you narrow down the beam. The full power version maintains the same power regardless of the beam diameter because it doesn't have to be limited by class1 FDA regs. The new eye safe version allows you to adjust the diameter of the IR illuminator beam in its 4mW output. At the widest setting, it is putting out a full 4mW, yet any point of measurement in the actual beam will be under 1mW. But, Steiner wanted to offer the ability to adjust the beam and doing so, would mean the output intensifies as it is focused. This would obviously make the readings over 1mW, so they added a smart circuit that would automatically lower the power as the beam is focused, thus keeping the output under 1mW regardless. In order to add this focusing feature, they had to add some other electronics and optics. And, they couldn't do it while maintaining the zeroing feature. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why was the removal of the alignment or zeroing feature of the illuminatior needed? FDA? Also interesting to see the class I has a longer "barrel" for the illuminator. They had to create a longer "barrel" for the illuminator on the eye safe version because they needed to fit the electronics that automatically lower the power as you narrow down the beam. The full power version maintains the same power regardless of the beam diameter because it doesn't have to be limited by class1 FDA regs. The new eye safe version allows you to adjust the diameter of the IR illuminator beam in its 4mW output. At the widest setting, it is putting out a full 4mW, yet any point of measurement in the actual beam will be under 1mW. But, Steiner wanted to offer the ability to adjust the beam and doing so, would mean the output intensifies as it is focused. This would obviously make the readings over 1mW, so they added a smart circuit that would automatically lower the power as the beam is focused, thus keeping the output under 1mW regardless. In order to add this focusing feature, they had to add some other electronics and optics. And, they couldn't do it while maintaining the zeroing feature. Wow! +1 for Steiner for implementing this for us to have an adjustable size - I'm happy and I'm sure as long as the illuminator is pretty centered I will be pleased. Will tan and black both be shipping at the same time? |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Thank you for your opinions Vic. You echoed pretty much what I was thinking in my head.
And yes....waiting ever so patiently for the T.A.P.S. to come out. Mike |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 6:53:32 PM EDT
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Wow! +1 for Steiner for implementing this for us to have an adjustable size - I'm happy and I'm sure as long as the illuminator is pretty centered I will be pleased. Will tan and black both be shipping at the same time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why was the removal of the alignment or zeroing feature of the illuminatior needed? FDA? Also interesting to see the class I has a longer "barrel" for the illuminator. They had to create a longer "barrel" for the illuminator on the eye safe version because they needed to fit the electronics that automatically lower the power as you narrow down the beam. The full power version maintains the same power regardless of the beam diameter because it doesn't have to be limited by class1 FDA regs. The new eye safe version allows you to adjust the diameter of the IR illuminator beam in its 4mW output. At the widest setting, it is putting out a full 4mW, yet any point of measurement in the actual beam will be under 1mW. But, Steiner wanted to offer the ability to adjust the beam and doing so, would mean the output intensifies as it is focused. This would obviously make the readings over 1mW, so they added a smart circuit that would automatically lower the power as the beam is focused, thus keeping the output under 1mW regardless. In order to add this focusing feature, they had to add some other electronics and optics. And, they couldn't do it while maintaining the zeroing feature. Wow! +1 for Steiner for implementing this for us to have an adjustable size - I'm happy and I'm sure as long as the illuminator is pretty centered I will be pleased. Will tan and black both be shipping at the same time? We are to get both black and tan we're told in one shipment. Vic |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:06:37 PM EDT
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From the OP: "The photos below do not show the IR laser Low Power or IR laser High Power. The reason is because I couldn't tell a difference on the settings with my eye, and certainly couldn't tell the difference in the photos."
Could you explain this a bit further? Are you saying that in actual use you can't determine any visible difference between the IR 'AL' and 'AH' settings? How about the laser output on 'DL' or 'DH'? I ask because the spec sheet posted a while back on the new A3 units states that the IR laser is 0.2/0.7mW depending on the setting and based on their other units I would expect a very visible difference. If the power outputs are the same between AL & AH I'll be pretty disappointed as that was a bonus to me over the ATPIAL-C even with a ND filter. That, plus the inability to now aim the illuminator is another negative for those that preordered this unit based on initial information and product images released a while ago. I was very excited for a unit that, at least to me, appeared very superior to the ATPIAL-C in many regards but now I'm not so sure. Lastly, can you confirm that this is the sole DBAL-A3 model going forward, as I believe you stated in a different thread that the restricted A3 unit is being discontinued in favor of this one? 
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:08:08 PM EDT
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...apparently I have no idea how to imbed images, but the two links above are of the spec sheets released a while ago.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 2:29:38 AM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong, is there not an option for high laser, low illuminator? Is there a time frame for shipping? Eric answered the first part.... Shipping we're told from LDI/Steiner is sometime next month. We've been accepting pre-orders as well. Yep. Just purchased this since it was supposed to be the tits!! I would be happy either way but it would have royally been annoying to have a critical review of the first ones in like literally the next day. Haha. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 10:26:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the OP: "The photos below do not show the IR laser Low Power or IR laser High Power. The reason is because I couldn't tell a difference on the settings with my eye, and certainly couldn't tell the difference in the photos." Could you explain this a bit further? Are you saying that in actual use you can't determine any visible difference between the IR 'AL' and 'AH' settings? How about the laser output on 'DL' or 'DH'? I ask because the spec sheet posted a while back on the new A3 units states that the IR laser is 0.2/0.7mW depending on the setting and based on their other units I would expect a very visible difference. If the power outputs are the same between AL & AH I'll be pretty disappointed as that was a bonus to me over the ATPIAL-C even with a ND filter. That, plus the inability to now aim the illuminator is another negative for those that preordered this unit based on initial information and product images released a while ago. I was very excited for a unit that, at least to me, appeared very superior to the ATPIAL-C in many regards but now I'm not so sure. Lastly, can you confirm that this is the sole DBAL-A3 model going forward, as I believe you stated in a different thread that the restricted A3 unit is being discontinued in favor of this one? http://i57.tinypic.com/4v1iya.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/25tztbq.jpg The difference in DL and DH is certainly noticeable. I would say roughly 50% less on Low than on High. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:39:41 AM EDT
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I am saying that in actual use I can't determine a difference, which is why I didn't include them. Not sure if that is because I have a prototype unit or what. The difference in DL and DH is certainly noticeable. I would say roughly 50% less on Low than on High. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the OP: "The photos below do not show the IR laser Low Power or IR laser High Power. The reason is because I couldn't tell a difference on the settings with my eye, and certainly couldn't tell the difference in the photos." Could you explain this a bit further? Are you saying that in actual use you can't determine any visible difference between the IR 'AL' and 'AH' settings? How about the laser output on 'DL' or 'DH'? I ask because the spec sheet posted a while back on the new A3 units states that the IR laser is 0.2/0.7mW depending on the setting and based on their other units I would expect a very visible difference. If the power outputs are the same between AL & AH I'll be pretty disappointed as that was a bonus to me over the ATPIAL-C even with a ND filter. That, plus the inability to now aim the illuminator is another negative for those that preordered this unit based on initial information and product images released a while ago. I was very excited for a unit that, at least to me, appeared very superior to the ATPIAL-C in many regards but now I'm not so sure. Lastly, can you confirm that this is the sole DBAL-A3 model going forward, as I believe you stated in a different thread that the restricted A3 unit is being discontinued in favor of this one? http://i57.tinypic.com/4v1iya.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/25tztbq.jpg The difference in DL and DH is certainly noticeable. I would say roughly 50% less on Low than on High. I tested the unit and saw the same. The unit as mentioned was a prototype and it's my guess the IR low on the pointer was not setup for low, only the .7mW and I reported this occurrence . The vis pointer did work in the low setting at an approx. a <50% level. Assured the final production model will have the IR low setting engaged properly. As for the restricted model getting replaced with this one, that is not the case. LDI/Steiner have simply cleaned up all the crazy amount of SKU's out there. Hope this helps a bit more.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 12:13:52 PM EDT
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Looking forward to trying one of these. I am not totally happy with my ATPIAL-C and think this will prove to be a better overall unit.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Looking forward to trying one of these. I am not totally happy with my ATPIAL-C and think this will prove to be a better overall unit. I like the simplicity of the ATPIAL since most of the adjustability will be lost on me with the other (illuminator wise), and the high or low laser is mitigated by the cap. Regardless, its nice to have a more sophisticated adjustment ability, and the green laser is a nice touch. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 5:00:00 PM EDT
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Argh, I wish they had a retrofit option.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 5:33:53 PM EDT
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I like the simplicity of the ATPIAL since most of the adjustability will be lost on me with the other (illuminator wise), and the high or low laser is mitigated by the cap. Regardless, its nice to have a more sophisticated adjustment ability, and the green laser is a nice touch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking forward to trying one of these. I am not totally happy with my ATPIAL-C and think this will prove to be a better overall unit. I like the simplicity of the ATPIAL since most of the adjustability will be lost on me with the other (illuminator wise), and the high or low laser is mitigated by the cap. Regardless, its nice to have a more sophisticated adjustment ability, and the green laser is a nice touch. Agreed, choices are good from 2 powerhouse laser companies. |
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Posted: 5/14/2015 1:25:18 PM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 8:12:52 AM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Off topic - but do you have any update on the single spectrum I2 shipping date? I do have an A3 on order, but also an I2. |
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Posted: 5/16/2015 3:00:05 PM EDT
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Off topic - but do you have any update on the single spectrum I2 shipping date? I do have an A3 on order, but also an I2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Off topic - but do you have any update on the single spectrum I2 shipping date? I do have an A3 on order, but also an I2. Haven't forgot about ya Brother. Awaiting official word on the ship dates for the I2's. Vic |
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Posted: 5/16/2015 3:04:11 PM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic 
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Posted: 5/18/2015 9:30:36 AM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. |
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Posted: 5/18/2015 11:11:47 AM EDT
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Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that. 
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Posted: 5/18/2015 3:06:38 PM EDT
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Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/DBAL_A3_zpstfevxhtc.jpg Vic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/DBAL_A3_zpstfevxhtc.jpg Vic Fricken awesome. Doing right now. Email is [email protected] |
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Posted: 5/19/2015 9:52:57 AM EDT
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I am getting one for my new SBR build.
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Posted: 5/19/2015 6:54:59 PM EDT
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The laser is perfect! The only complaint I have is the dual y cable for using it with the Mark 4 weapon light (which I have but not pictured) is bad. I think the way this pressure pad was created was the pad for the 90 degree connector runs across the top and the one for the straight connector runs below it. The top pad is easy to activate but the lower one requires a lot of force and sometimes you can find a spot where only the top pad will work. Because of this I'm going to wait to see if it become a more prevalent issue and cables are replaced. :( Running 3 pads, as pictured, now. Main laser at 11, Light at 12, and Vis Override last at 1. ** I just noticed the Y cable pictured in the original post is different than the one I have and the spare I purchased both look rather cheap and are much thinner than the single switch that comes with all DBALs. Steiner cutting corners? Switch on left is single switch with a very responsive feel that comes with all DBALs. Switch on the right is the double switch with no responsive feeling for the A3. (This doesn't look like the one pictured on the original post) 
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Posted: 5/19/2015 11:04:31 PM EDT
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http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/FullSizeRender_zps17orbxep.jpg The laser is perfect! The only complaint I have is the dual y cable for using it with the Mark 4 weapon light (which I have but not pictured) is bad. I think the way this pressure pad was created was the pad for the 90 degree connector runs across the top and the one for the straight connector runs below it. The top pad is easy to activate but the lower one requires a lot of force and sometimes you can find a spot where only the top pad will work. Because of this I'm going to wait to see if it become a more prevalent issue and cables are replaced. :( Running 3 pads, as pictured, now. Main laser at 11, Light at 12, and Vis Override last at 1. ** I just noticed the Y cable pictured in the original post is different than the one I have and the spare I purchased both look rather cheap and are much thinner than the single switch that comes with all DBALs. Steiner cutting corners? Switch on left is single switch with a very responsive feel that comes with all DBALs. Switch on the right is the double switch with no responsive feeling for the A3. (This doesn't look like the one pictured on the original post) http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/IMG_0205_zpsjcrssenr.jpg Reference Image Below http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/VOR_zpscpgienvl-3_zpsa69knhff.png That's very interesting. The switch on the right looks like junk. Mine should be here Friday, I'll post a pic of it then. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:33:21 AM EDT
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http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/FullSizeRender_zps17orbxep.jpg The laser is perfect! The only complaint I have is the dual y cable for using it with the Mark 4 weapon light (which I have but not pictured) is bad. I think the way this pressure pad was created was the pad for the 90 degree connector runs across the top and the one for the straight connector runs below it. The top pad is easy to activate but the lower one requires a lot of force and sometimes you can find a spot where only the top pad will work. Because of this I'm going to wait to see if it become a more prevalent issue and cables are replaced. :( Running 3 pads, as pictured, now. Main laser at 11, Light at 12, and Vis Override last at 1. ** I just noticed the Y cable pictured in the original post is different than the one I have and the spare I purchased both look rather cheap and are much thinner than the single switch that comes with all DBALs. Steiner cutting corners? Switch on left is single switch with a very responsive feel that comes with all DBALs. Switch on the right is the double switch with no responsive feeling for the A3. (This doesn't look like the one pictured on the original post) http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/IMG_0205_zpsjcrssenr.jpg Reference Image Below http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/MidwestIowaShooter/VOR_zpscpgienvl-3_zpsa69knhff.png That's very interesting. The switch on the right looks like junk. Mine should be here Friday, I'll post a pic of it then. Please do. I hope I just have a bad cable but the quality of the single cable is far better than the dual that looks like someone just used some heat shrink. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 2:00:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:47:36 PM EDT
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Haven't forgot about ya Brother. Awaiting official word on the ship dates for the I2's. Vic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Off topic - but do you have any update on the single spectrum I2 shipping date? I do have an A3 on order, but also an I2. Haven't forgot about ya Brother. Awaiting official word on the ship dates for the I2's. Vic Just got word the new I2's will be shipping at the end of June. Sorry for the delay. Vic |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:15:22 PM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Off topic - but do you have any update on the single spectrum I2 shipping date? I do have an A3 on order, but also an I2. Haven't forgot about ya Brother. Awaiting official word on the ship dates for the I2's. Vic Just got word the new I2's will be shipping at the end of June. Sorry for the delay. Vic No problem, thanks for the update! |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 9:17:20 AM EDT
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Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that.
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/DBAL_A3_zpstfevxhtc.jpg Vic Vic, What blade is that? |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 9:24:03 AM EDT
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I bet it's a MicroTek.
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Posted: 5/21/2015 12:23:40 PM EDT
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Just got word from LDI/Steiner that black housing A3's are being shipping to us! Should be going out to customers next week! Tan housings at the end of the month. Thanks guys. Vic Any chance I get my DBAL-a3 before I leave for my mountain shooting/camping trip Saturday morning. I think I got overnight shipping. Send us an email sales at tnvc.com, there should be no problem with that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/DBAL_A3_zpstfevxhtc.jpg Vic Vic, What blade is that? Shame on Skypup! 
Protech, when you want the best auto knife Made in the USA!
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Posted: 5/21/2015 12:52:43 PM EDT
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And I just happen to have one on me right now!
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Posted: 5/21/2015 4:11:00 PM EDT
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So being new to switches on my guns. I put the double switch in last night and and the alternate button just always turns the vis laser. Is that just what the second input always does? If so I might just leave it vacant. Could I use the single switch to activate my selected settings?? Also I am using it on my 8 inch 300 with a suppressor and damn if my 7" larue rail isn't kinda cramped now.
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Posted: 5/21/2015 10:51:49 PM EDT
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So being new to switches on my guns. I put the double switch in last night and and the alternate button just always turns the vis laser. Is that just what the second input always does? If so I might just leave it vacant. Could I use the single switch to activate my selected settings?? Also I am using it on my 8 inch 300 with a suppressor and damn if my 7" larue rail isn't kinda cramped now. The Y cable was intended to go into the visible override port and a Steiner weapon light that way if you running everything under night vision and the situation requires the visible laser and white light regardless of the lasers setting you would hit the dual pressure pad. If you don't have a need for that disregard the override port and plug the single switch in the normal far right port that will activate whatever the laser is set to. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:09:52 AM EDT
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Thanks. Love it. Much lighter weight than I imagined too.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:03:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2015 11:33:05 AM EDT
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Hey! Are these going to be available in foliage green eventually? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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