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Posted: 12/30/2014 9:27:06 PM EDT
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Is there a firm shipping ETA on the second batch of ATPIAL-C's?
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Posted: 12/31/2014 12:54:05 PM EDT
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Might of missed it but didn't see in the Manuel. What is the operating temperture range for the peq?
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Posted: 12/31/2014 4:21:04 PM EDT
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Ok, I've been playing with my PEq-15. The illuminator does have the bars at the top and bottom and there's no full circle. Even at a distance of 50 yards. That's fine, it still does what it is supposed to do, but can someone explain why? Poor design if you ask me. I haven't taken a picture of it, but maybe this weekend as I'll be using first time in the field.
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Posted: 12/31/2014 4:40:27 PM EDT
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I've noticed that some guys would get an interruption of the illuminator's "full circle" because of a shadow from a protrusion off of their front BUIS. Not really a big deal. Think that's what you're seeing?
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Posted: 12/31/2014 4:53:17 PM EDT
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I've noticed that some guys would get an interruption of the illuminator's "full circle" because of a shadow from a protrusion off of their front BUIS. Not really a big deal. Think that's what you're seeing? Maybe. It was cold out and dark last night- so I didn't stay out long. I'll look at it this weekend. I want to say no. But I'll look. |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 7:42:37 PM EDT
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Those of you that got the targets with the PEQ-15, can you help me out? The target is a 25m target with blue indicating a 300 yards Zero. Green is 200 m zero and orange is 100m zero.
If I want to zero my rifle at 50 yards, How do I do this? Just line up the IR with the reflective square and set it below the orange circle? Does this mean that below the 100 yard shot (lower than orange circle) it should be 50m? I'm also thinking to just put it at 100 because there's very little difference between 100 and 50. 50 being slightly lower. Just wanted to know some thoughts. for reference 
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Posted: 12/31/2014 9:08:06 PM EDT
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If you are trying to achieve a 50/200 meter zero (the target is actually set for meters, not yards) then you set your laser point on the reflective tape and adjust your bullet POI to the green circle. If you desire a 25/300 meter zero, then your bullet should impact the blue circle. (I don't zero this way, but that is how the target is designed, and it seems to be a good set up for that.) So for a 50 yd zero, you will work toward a green circle POI.
Why is the POI off to the left? The laser is to the right of your bore. As you visualize the movement required to swing your laser to the center of the target, you will see your muzzle moving to the left. Thus your POI is moved to the left. The circles represent the differing trajectories for a 100, 200, and 300 meter zero. Clear as mud? |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 9:14:54 PM EDT
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If you are trying to achieve a 50/200 meter zero (the target is actually set for meters, not yards) then you set your laser point on the reflective tape and adjust your bullet POI to the green circle. If you desire a 25/300 meter zero, then your bullet should impact the blue circle. (I don't zero this way, but that is how the target is designed, and it seems to be a good set up for that.) So for a 50 yd zero, you will work toward a green circle POI. Why is the POI off to the left? The laser is to the right of your bore. As you visualize the movement required to swing your laser to the center of the target, you will see your muzzle moving to the left. Thus your POI is moved to the left. The circles represent the differing trajectories for a 100, 200, and 300 meter zero. Clear as mud? Yep, thank you. I'll put this to work this weekend. Thanks for the reply. |
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Posted: 1/2/2015 12:34:21 AM EDT
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Anybody know if the ATPIAL will clear a Surefire Scout in a Gear Sector Mount???
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Posted: 1/2/2015 1:49:26 AM EDT
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Anybody know if the ATPIAL will clear a Surefire Scout in a Gear Sector Mount??? With what rail system? Some are wider than others |
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Posted: 1/2/2015 2:30:13 AM EDT
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A standard KAC RAS.
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Anybody know if the ATPIAL will clear a Surefire Scout in a Gear Sector Mount??? With what rail system? Some are wider than others |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 9:28:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2015 10:45:34 AM EDT
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I know the vampire head will not, moved mine down low. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pJRrMv" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7567/15581145723_76077c5510_c.jpg</a>20150104_143737_1 by tb5252, on Flickr neither will the larue offset mount with the older, larger style, vampire head as depicted in tannerb's post. that said, does anyone know if the new slimmer profile vampire head will clear the lasers if mounted at 1oclock? |
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Posted: 1/6/2015 9:15:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2015 11:29:47 PM EDT
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neither will the larue offset mount with the older, larger style, vampire head as depicted in tannerb's post. that said, does anyone know if the new slimmer profile vampire head will clear the lasers if mounted at 1oclock? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know the vampire head will not, moved mine down low. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pJRrMv" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7567/15581145723_76077c5510_c.jpg</a>20150104_143737_1 by tb5252, on Flickr neither will the larue offset mount with the older, larger style, vampire head as depicted in tannerb's post. that said, does anyone know if the new slimmer profile vampire head will clear the lasers if mounted at 1oclock? I think the only chance of it clearing the PEQ-15 is with the S&S replacement bodies or their low pro mounts but don't take my word on it. The popular rail mounted offset mounts will not clear the PEQ-15 illuminator. I tried a few years back. Badger ordnance does make an offset mount for the scout lights that pushes it further away from the the emitter and away from the weapon, not sure if they still make it. I think the haley strategic drop wing or whatever it's called drops a scout out of the way but I believe it's meant for 7" rails like the KAC RAS. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:34:47 PM EDT
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Anyone know the wait time for these if I ordered one tomorrow?
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Posted: 1/7/2015 8:34:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:43:49 PM EDT
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Does anyone have an explanation as to why the illuminater is darker at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock. I've been looking at pictures on page one of this series of posts and it looks as a full circle to me. I took off the Peq-15 this evening so there is nothing hindering the illuminater and its there. Design flaw? Anyone else's like this?
I'll try to take a pic if I can with my hand held Sony cam in night vision mode |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 10:52:42 PM EDT
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Here ya go.
Contrast enhanced 
Vic, is this normal? |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 11:00:58 PM EDT
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Does anyone have an explanation as to why the illuminater is darker at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock. I've been looking at pictures on page one of this series of posts and it looks as a full circle to me. I took off the Peq-15 this evening so there is nothing hindering the illuminater and its there. Design flaw? Anyone else's like this? I'll try to take a pic if I can with my hand held Sony cam in night vision mode Even full power models do this when on low power. same with the dbal a2, looks like that on low power. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 11:07:52 PM EDT
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Even full power models do this when on low power. same with the dbal a2, looks like that on low power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have an explanation as to why the illuminater is darker at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock. I've been looking at pictures on page one of this series of posts and it looks as a full circle to me. I took off the Peq-15 this evening so there is nothing hindering the illuminater and its there. Design flaw? Anyone else's like this? I'll try to take a pic if I can with my hand held Sony cam in night vision mode Even full power models do this when on low power. same with the dbal a2, looks like that on low power. Then why not in this photo? Unless this photo depicts a side mounted Peq-15....then it's at 3 and 9 o'clock ......and yes, mine is the same at 50 yards 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:07:20 AM EDT
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Anyone know the wait time for these if I ordered one tomorrow? I ordered one a couple days ago and was told early/middle Feb. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:33:24 PM EDT
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Then why not in this photo? Unless this photo depicts a side mounted Peq-15....then it's at 3 and 9 o'clock ......and yes, mine is the same at 50 yards http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/7536a2a9b0f71d48a7fd8b4dd1af2aff_zpsf2da837c.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have an explanation as to why the illuminater is darker at 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock. I've been looking at pictures on page one of this series of posts and it looks as a full circle to me. I took off the Peq-15 this evening so there is nothing hindering the illuminater and its there. Design flaw? Anyone else's like this? I'll try to take a pic if I can with my hand held Sony cam in night vision mode Even full power models do this when on low power. same with the dbal a2, looks like that on low power. Then why not in this photo? Unless this photo depicts a side mounted Peq-15....then it's at 3 and 9 o'clock ......and yes, mine is the same at 50 yards http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/freedell/ar/7536a2a9b0f71d48a7fd8b4dd1af2aff_zpsf2da837c.jpg Maybe the lens peice that focuses the laser is in a different position. Or the unit is being held sidways or mounted on side like you said. Or camera or night vision they are using has higher gain or pics up more of the circle. I think the issue may vary from unit to unit and conditions....but usually on low power you get this effect to an extent...from my limited experience anyway. |
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Posted: 1/10/2015 4:47:50 AM EDT
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I think the only chance of it clearing the PEQ-15 is with the S&S replacement bodies or their low pro mounts but don't take my word on it. The popular rail mounted offset mounts will not clear the PEQ-15 illuminator. I tried a few years back. Badger ordnance does make an offset mount for the scout lights that pushes it further away from the the emitter and away from the weapon, not sure if they still make it. I think the haley strategic drop wing or whatever it's called drops a scout out of the way but I believe it's meant for 7" rails like the KAC RAS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know the vampire head will not, moved mine down low. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pJRrMv" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7567/15581145723_76077c5510_c.jpg</a>20150104_143737_1 by tb5252, on Flickr neither will the larue offset mount with the older, larger style, vampire head as depicted in tannerb's post. that said, does anyone know if the new slimmer profile vampire head will clear the lasers if mounted at 1oclock? I think the only chance of it clearing the PEQ-15 is with the S&S replacement bodies or their low pro mounts but don't take my word on it. The popular rail mounted offset mounts will not clear the PEQ-15 illuminator. I tried a few years back. Badger ordnance does make an offset mount for the scout lights that pushes it further away from the the emitter and away from the weapon, not sure if they still make it. I think the haley strategic drop wing or whatever it's called drops a scout out of the way but I believe it's meant for 7" rails like the KAC RAS. This kinda disconcerting, since a lot of us tend to love our Gear Sector mounts with Scouts in the 1 O' Clock. 
I have a few DBAL-I2, GS mount/Scout 1 o'clock configured carbines and light body sits up against and just about flush with the overhang of the DBAL. While the older Vampire Head is pretty big and I can see it interfering with clearance, I believe this is the new 600V model in question which has a similar bezel profile to the 600U: 
Or...........is it not the head and the issue is the Scout body itself not being able to clear the overhang of the ATPIAL? I went ahead and got a HSP Drop wing to try out just in case to mitigate this issue. Seems really pliable compared to the GS mount though. |
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Posted: 1/10/2015 9:37:31 PM EDT
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On mine, I had to swap sides on the dropping light mount, and switch to mbus pro sights to get clearance. Not 100% sure this is my final solution, I've never run a pressure switch, but the mbus pro fit nicely in between the illum and laser heads. Atpial-c is fantastic. Rail is the sws/Noveske quad.
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Posted: 1/11/2015 8:57:38 AM EDT
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On mine, I had to swap sides on the dropping light mount, and switch to mbus pro sights to get clearance. Not 100% sure this is my final solution, I've never run a pressure switch, but the mbus pro fit nicely in between the illum and laser heads. Atpial-c is fantastic. Rail is the sws/Noveske quad. http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/43F6FD79-751E-4495-BD55-F72AE3359434_zpscb29y9ue.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/25C18EEF-4FC4-49A5-9162-ECB101DD2439_zps61fbyd81.jpg Does the Scout KX2C head clear the IR/VIS lasers okay? ETA: Any back splash? |
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Posted: 1/11/2015 1:42:07 PM EDT
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On mine, I had to swap sides on the dropping light mount, and switch to mbus pro sights to get clearance. Not 100% sure this is my final solution, I've never run a pressure switch, but the mbus pro fit nicely in between the illum and laser heads. Atpial-c is fantastic. Rail is the sws/Noveske quad. http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/43F6FD79-751E-4495-BD55-F72AE3359434_zpscb29y9ue.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/25C18EEF-4FC4-49A5-9162-ECB101DD2439_zps61fbyd81.jpg Does the Scout KX2C head clear the IR/VIS lasers okay? ETA: Any back splash? Works fine in my limited testing, I have the older V head too, haven't tred that yet in the same position. ETA: straight on shots with regular head and V head, the visible laser barely touches the v head on this particular setupYMMV Ir laser regular head, it laser easily clears v head so no pic 
Vis laser over v head 
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Posted: 1/12/2015 3:16:21 AM EDT
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^^^ Thanks for taking those pics. Looks like it's gonna ' be workable.
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Posted: 1/12/2015 9:26:03 AM EDT
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U Works fine in my limited testing, I have the older V head too, haven't tred that yet in the same position. ETA: straight on shots with regular head and V head, the visible laser barely touches the v head on this particular setupYMMV Ir laser regular head, it laser easily clears v head so no pic <a href="http://s235.photobucket.com/user/jtb8269/media/10770B42-D287-43F1-9C4D-11D705A907BC_zpszrkvwe3u.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/10770B42-D287-43F1-9C4D-11D705A907BC_zpszrkvwe3u.jpg</a> Vis laser over v head <a href="http://s235.photobucket.com/user/jtb8269/media/A0F50853-3014-45CF-A73C-5EB943049EC4_zpspdchrnyq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/A0F50853-3014-45CF-A73C-5EB943049EC4_zpspdchrnyq.jpg</a> Vis laser from side in darkish http://<a href=http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/BDBE766F-1FDC-46FE-B690-633B06AC7740_zpsgsvaltdb.jpg</a>/" /> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On mine, I had to swap sides on the dropping light mount, and switch to mbus pro sights to get clearance. Not 100% sure this is my final solution, I've never run a pressure switch, but the mbus pro fit nicely in between the illum and laser heads. Atpial-c is fantastic. Rail is the sws/Noveske quad. http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/43F6FD79-751E-4495-BD55-F72AE3359434_zpscb29y9ue.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/25C18EEF-4FC4-49A5-9162-ECB101DD2439_zps61fbyd81.jpg Does the Scout KX2C head clear the IR/VIS lasers okay? ETA: Any back splash? Works fine in my limited testing, I have the older V head too, haven't tred that yet in the same position. ETA: straight on shots with regular head and V head, the visible laser barely touches the v head on this particular setupYMMV Ir laser regular head, it laser easily clears v head so no pic <a href="http://s235.photobucket.com/user/jtb8269/media/10770B42-D287-43F1-9C4D-11D705A907BC_zpszrkvwe3u.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/10770B42-D287-43F1-9C4D-11D705A907BC_zpszrkvwe3u.jpg</a> Vis laser over v head <a href="http://s235.photobucket.com/user/jtb8269/media/A0F50853-3014-45CF-A73C-5EB943049EC4_zpspdchrnyq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/A0F50853-3014-45CF-A73C-5EB943049EC4_zpspdchrnyq.jpg</a> Vis laser from side in darkish http://<a href=http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/jtb8269/BDBE766F-1FDC-46FE-B690-633B06AC7740_zpsgsvaltdb.jpg</a>/" /> Yes, thank you for those photos. So do you think the new surefire vampire head allow the red laser to clear unlike the larger vampire head in your photo? |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 12:30:47 PM EDT
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No doubt it would. I think finding the right offset might do it on my setup with the old head even. It's so close to clearance that I think even most other full quad rails might clear. This one is pretty narrow compared to other brands, so it probably comes down to how wide is you rail. I've got a magpul offset I can try and get a pic up today and mic the width of the rail.
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Posted: 1/12/2015 12:40:36 PM EDT
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At Show Show, we will have an answer to the mounting logistics associated with the ATPIAL's!
Vic |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 4:58:34 PM EDT
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At Show Show, we will have an answer to the mounting logistics associated with the ATPIAL's!
Vic Eyes are open! Wish I could make it down this year.......
Being that the DBALs sit higher than the ATPIAL, here's some comparison pics of one of my DBALs used in conjunction with a Gear Sector mount/Scout light combo on a standard KAC RAS. The body of the Scout pretty much rests on the bottom portion of the DBAL with no other room to breathe. The visible laser does clear the KE2A and KX2C heads. 
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Posted: 1/12/2015 9:49:15 PM EDT
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At Show Show, we will have an answer to the mounting logistics associated with the ATPIAL's!
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:22:35 PM EDT
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ATPIAL-C kit:
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Posted: 1/23/2015 1:04:35 PM EDT
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Cool! Now take that blasted blue screw out.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 1:09:06 PM EDT
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Cool! Now take that blasted blue screw out. But it's not going to do anything, unless maybe they accidentally shipped me a real 25mW PEQ-15? 
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:40:34 PM EDT
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Well you get access to illum only. I also find it better to operate in the high range as you can go from laser only to both to illum only all in the same sector. That's just me though
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Posted: 1/23/2015 3:11:21 PM EDT
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Blue screw is coming out when I get home!
Thanks for the heads up, I like the nice little hole they have to store it in too.... |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 5:51:19 PM EDT
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Yup yup
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Posted: 1/25/2015 2:58:25 PM EDT
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Vic Here ya go guys....ATPIAL C Mount. Fastens to the Unity Tactical VTAC micro hub. You can mount directly millennium series surefire lights, and use any of Unity Tactical's FUSION accessories for other styled lights. 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:46:25 PM EDT
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Here ya go guys....ATPIAL C Mount. Fastens to the Unity Tactical VTAC micro hub. You can mount directly millennium series surefire lights, and use any of Unity Tactical's FUSION accessories for other styled lights. Vic, when will these be out in the wild? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:26:17 PM EDT
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RE: Unity mount
I like what they were going for, but I am noticing a few things that prevent me from being interested. 1. The battery cap on the laser looks like it is being blocked by the unity mount and the laser or the mount would have to be removed to change the battery. 2. Without tape switches firing the laser looks more than awkward with the surefire right there. Unless you are going to completely change firing grip of the weapon by grasping on to the surefire. I don't know. I would have to play with it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:36:45 PM EDT
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I am liking mine.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:36:07 PM EDT
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Vic or Chip whats the lead time on a black ATPIAL these days?
I got my W2 today 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:21:27 PM EDT
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Vic or Chip whats the lead time on a black ATPIAL these days? I got my W2 today Sorry I missed this....Tan in stock on the shelves and next shipment of black coming in approx. 4 weeks. Vic |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 4:47:39 PM EDT
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RE: Unity mount I like what they were going for, but I am noticing a few things that prevent me from being interested. 1. The battery cap on the laser looks like it is being blocked by the unity mount and the laser or the mount would have to be removed to change the battery. 2. Without tape switches firing the laser looks more than awkward with the surefire right there. Unless you are going to completely change firing grip of the weapon by grasping on to the surefire. I don't know. I would have to play with it. While the pic looks deceiving. The batt cap is not blocked. As for the awkwardness, (I should have mentioned this) there will be left or right side mounts for the light as well. Vic |
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Posted: 2/5/2015 4:04:56 PM EDT
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I just ordered mine in FDE. Cant wait to test it out. Also if you are AD MIL make sure you inquire about the MIL DIS. Its a great deal you just have to call them up. All I had to do to get the discount is email them through my .mil email account for proof of service. Jaimie@TNVC is the POC for the email.
Thanks TNVC you guys are AWESOME! FedEx delivered tonight. 
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Posted: 2/10/2015 5:27:43 PM EDT
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I had the opportunity to play around with a new ATPIAL this weekend. The illumination was a complete circle, not a bar as some have photographed.
Really, really liked the one switch = IR laser & IR illumination feature. It seems like this and a mount like the Unity that puts a white light with a momentary switch near your support hand thumb would be ideal. I may have to dump my CQBL/Scout setup for this... |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 5:31:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 6:05:06 PM EDT
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I don't have any real need to drop the dough on one of these, but since I have a damn nice pvs-14 and want to get IR laser and illum on my rifle, it's tempting. I need an excuse.
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