To quote a line from an old NV book
"Delta prefers to work with white light"

You wear underwear to bed?

Pussy.

Operators go commando.  

This reminds me of the time I did use NV to help police. It was 1989 or so, I spotted a car parked along the road down from my house. Could not make anything else out. Did not see anybody, but I knew nobody had a reason to park there, so unless it was a breakdown, something was up. I had a NV device - a Javelin Electronics monocular, and I could see a guy running to/from a nearby house and loading the goods in his car. He was clever, entered from ROW side, had no lights on interior, and woods he ran through to the back of house were 10 feet away. Almost undetectable.

I actually laughed pretty hard at that.

When I used to live in south Dallas I used it 4 times to check out the windows without turning on lights while armed.   Found 3 dogs and 1 pissed raccoon.  Located the commotion without ever being spotted until I yelled.  It is good for that, not for going after someone in your own house.  

South Dallas is the rough part of town in case some here didn't know.  Would hear gunfire 1-2x per week, one thing I never saw in 3 years was a cop.

That in itself would likely be a good deterrent!

 

Ahahahahahahaha! I wish I would have though of that first!

Thank goodness for drawers!

You only WISH it were you!

ARFCOM, Southern-style.  

He stole my boots!

I guess that is what I get for not sleeping with NODs !

Do you think it's still the same now that they use GPNVG-18's?

I'm betting no one likes to work with a truck hanging off the front of their face.

Units that are issued 18's still don't use them all the time. There are certain tasks where more traditional NV is more beneficial.

From what I understand extremely heavy units like he GPNVG-18 and PVS-21 are used for quick raids that will be done entirely in the dark (think famously the Bin Laden raid). Whereas -15s, -31s, etc... are more routinely used on longer missions or for general purpose NV needs.

It will be interesting seeing how these type of units advance in accordance with SWaP principles. They won't become more affordable, just more useful.

I love the discussion. Good information.

The field of view with a monocular would be terrible vs. going white light too. NVGs are for stealth approach to contact and then white light all the way (Thanks Chappy ).

Yup. We've had a number of weather events, from tornadoes to derechos over the past few years that have demonstrated pretty acutely the usefulness of NV. We were living in town at the time of the last event, and I would have felt a hell of a lot better being able to see without a light. Now we have a bunch of acreage, and it has all sorts of other uses (tracking deer, investigating 'bumps' in the woods, stalking to a treestand in the dark, etc.) For inside the house though, it's rifle + flashlight. Our house is small enough that I'd want to be fast as opposed to geared up. Plus, I don't want the police confiscating my NV in addition to my HD rifle

Makes sense to me! Thanks for the info.

I would imagine that it depends on where you live. I would guess that from the standpoint of law, the more time you have to prepare, the lesser it makes sense that your life is in some danger. Of course one can argue that if someone is in your home, that it would mean that your life is in danger since you have no where else to retreat. However, some states have laws that protect individuals from harm, even in your own home, depending on the intention of the individual if they are there to steal property or if they are there to do actual harm to you. Coming home to find an intruder walking away with your TV isn't reason to shoot them, but in the same situation, if you caught them and they drop the tv and suddenly start digging into their shirt is certainly a very threatening situation.

For example, you hear a loud crashing sound at night, you grab your pistol with a light attached to it, and you shine it on and see someone in your house with a knife coming at you. You shoot, police comes and listen, chances are slim to none that you'd be prosecuted or charged with anything.

Second example, you hear a loud crashing sound at night, you turn off all the lights and put on your NV goggles, you go down, they can't see you, you can see them, you shoot anyway. Police comes over, finds out the man is drunk and thought it was his own home and they listen to how you "prepared" and you get arrested and thrown in jail. Prosecutors and jurors both agree that given the timeframe you had to prepare and the preemptive strike you did to a target that wasn't a clear threat and therefore a manslaughter. You get tossed in the slammer for 8 years.

This makes a lot of sense.

Who in the civilian world is engaging in lethal force incidents with their NODS??? Most of us are to busy looking at the night sky, wildlife, hunting, etc. I'd be more inclined to use NODS to avoid someone with ill intent than engage them.

Maybe it makes sense in NJ, but in Texas and many other Castle Law states it is a good shoot and happens frequently, sans nods. Lots of shootings involve "preparing" Joe Horn, Carter Albrecht, etc. My preps would include get gun, flashlight, slip on shoes, put on glasses, lights are already off, move family members to safe room, pull up security cams on iphone, call 911, long before going down to investigate.

You just added facts that created a completely different situation than the one dalle0001 outlined.  No straw men here, please.

Don't forget walking the dog.