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Posted: 7/18/2014 2:23:20 AM EDT
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"fo" is a reference to an infamous arfcom thread where a member wrote "fuck it I'm foing" misspelling "going"
It was the user's last ever post and a new arfcom word/phrase was created. to fo is as to decide to go/buy/start. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:38:17 AM EDT
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Okay, so being new to the world of cheap older tech night vision, I wonder if some of the iit's deficiency can't be overcome with a good powerful illuminator.
How would a Surefire X300V or a SPIR or DBAL-D² work with something like the PS-14 or the NVM-14? Should I fo? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:50:50 AM EDT
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ronnl -- thanks for the pics. Mine should be in today. I have an older NAIT tube I can take comparison pics with. Is your PVS14 a Gen 3? (Im guesing so)
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:18:45 AM EDT
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Good information
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:00:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <Advertising removed- JLA> Samson has sold out of the twist off mounts and has no plans on making another run. They're suggesting the RAM mount for a QD mount that can be used across several platforms. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:05:03 AM EDT
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Received mine yesterday and took some potato phone pics. I already have a PVS14 and wanted this for a backup or buddy rig. Still not sure what I'm going to do with it. The photos are not as clear as it actually looks. I didn't expect it to be (nor is it) anywhere near as good as my 14 but it is certainly better than Gen1. For the cost, I'm pleased so far. My J-arm will screw into it but it is heavy and I'm not sure that everything will line up right.
The 3x lens will screw off. I'd like to find a 1x lens for it. The adjustment ring near the eyecup appears to be the gain control. 
The battery compartment cap has an adapter in it that allows the use of CR123 
Unscrew/remove that adapter and a AA will work 
Hallway photo with camera phone. Some light around the door visible with naked eye. 
View with no IR light 
With the built-in IR 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 2:57:31 PM EDT
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I got my NVM14-CGTI in the mail yesterday from Apex, I LOVE IT.
This is my first foray into NOGs but it looks pretty good to me. If anyone is interested, the NVM14 model for sale is the push button power edition, not the one with the flimsy switch. I don't know if thats a newer or older series. Heres some pics. 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:19:02 PM EDT
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The NVM-14 looks good! Too bad I don't have the cash.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:12:45 PM EDT
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ronnl -- thanks for the pics. Mine should be in today. I have an older NAIT tube I can take comparison pics with. Is your PVS14 a Gen 3? (Im guesing so) Yes. Pinnacle tube with pretty good specs and low (like 10) hours. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:51:50 PM EDT
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Just got my Night Spirit.
It's great! Zero burn marks on the tube, and the scope itself seems to be in good shape. I put it on the USGI PVS14 weapon mount I got off the EE, and it sits a bit angled due to the tab on the mount, but I suspect you could dremel that off to have it flat. I don't think the slight rotation would matter though since there isn't a reticle. The image quality is significantly better than my older NAIT, which I always thought was a Gen 2 tube. I'm starting to question that though -- maybe that has a Gen 1 tube. Is there a focus adjust on the Night Spirirt? I've only tested it in my basement so far since it's still light outside. There is a bit of fisheye to the lens as you can see in some of the pictures posted earlier, but overall I'm happy with it. EDIT: Focus adjust is the turnable ring near the eyepiece -- it isn't gain adjust. Manual: HERE |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:54:01 PM EDT
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Stop. Im going to go broke.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:37:53 PM EDT
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I ordered the PS-14. Hopefully mine will look as good as your NVM. Should know Monday.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:57:33 PM EDT
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Does any one know can the ps-14 or the nvm-14 use the standard mounts (same as regular pvs-14) ?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:03:52 PM EDT
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Does any one know can the ps-14 or the nvm-14 use the standard mounts (same as regular pvs-14) ? Looks like the PS will use USGI PVS-14 mounts going off the pictures on Apex's website. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:46:58 PM EDT
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Well, I really didn't need to spend the money, but I just ordered the 3x scope. Guess I'm finally getting into night vision. Good thing when I bought my Eotech I got the XPS-3
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:06:29 PM EDT
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Well, I really didn't need to spend the money, but I just ordered the 3x scope. Guess I'm finally getting into night vision. Good thing when I bought my Eotech I got the XPS-3
Let us know when you find a good 1x lens. I want one too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:50:49 PM EDT
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Well, I really didn't need to spend the money, but I just ordered the 3x scope. Guess I'm finally getting into night vision. Good thing when I bought my Eotech I got the XPS-3
Let us know when you find a good 1x lens. I want one too. +1 The only ones I've been able to find are part of a $280 scope kit |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 12:32:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 The only ones I've been able to find are part of a $280 scope kit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, I really didn't need to spend the money, but I just ordered the 3x scope. Guess I'm finally getting into night vision. Good thing when I bought my Eotech I got the XPS-3 Let us know when you find a good 1x lens. I want one too. +1 The only ones I've been able to find are part of a $280 scope kit OTOH, I do have a lathe, and lenses are readily available......maybe I could build one.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 4:20:53 PM EDT
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<Advertising removed- JLA>
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Posted: 7/19/2014 5:58:53 PM EDT
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NVM-14 also has the lens for IR spotlight What does this mean? |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 6:21:22 PM EDT
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NVM-14 also has the lens for IR spotlight What does this mean? it has an onboard ir flood light and a swing down lens that turns into into a spotlight. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:56:36 PM EDT
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it has an onboard ir flood light and a swing down lens that turns into into a spotlight. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NVM-14 also has the lens for IR spotlight What does this mean? it has an onboard ir flood light and a swing down lens that turns into into a spotlight. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Aha! Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 11:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <Advertising removed- JLA> Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got my NVM14-CGTI in the mail yesterday from Apex, I LOVE IT. This is my first foray into NOGs but it looks pretty good to me. If anyone is interested, the NVM14 model for sale is the push button power edition, not the one with the flimsy switch. I don't know if thats a newer or older series. Heres some pics. http://i62.tinypic.com/2dkixi0.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/sctan4.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/qqqpw5.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/14aeyo.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/1072994.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/33e4v46.jpg <Advertising removed- JLA> Armasight mum transfer adapter. Most expensive piece of my kit outside the optic. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 9:09:23 PM EDT
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Received mine yesterday and took some potato phone pics. I already have a PVS14 and wanted this for a backup or buddy rig. Still not sure what I'm going to do with it. The photos are not as clear as it actually looks. I didn't expect it to be (nor is it) anywhere near as good as my 14 but it is certainly better than Gen1. For the cost, I'm pleased so far. My J-arm will screw into it but it is heavy and I'm not sure that everything will line up right. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/2014-07-18090535_zps38d7013d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/2014-07-18090535_zps38d7013d.jpg</a> The 3x lens will screw off. I'd like to find a 1x lens for it. The adjustment ring near the eyecup appears to be the gain control. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090847_zps0e4cd54f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090847_zps0e4cd54f.jpg</a> The battery compartment cap has an adapter in it that allows the use of CR123 <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090707_zps169503ca.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090707_zps169503ca.jpg</a> Unscrew/remove that adapter and a AA will work
<a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090609_zps200378fc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090609_zps200378fc.jpg</a> Hallway photo with camera phone. Some light around the door visible with naked eye. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18085750_zps15666d60.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18085750_zps15666d60.jpg</a> View with no IR light <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090018_zps2c43a093.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090018_zps2c43a093.jpg</a> With the built-in IR <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090252_zps3f201ac4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/2014-07-18090252_zps3f201ac4.jpg</a> What J arm are you using? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:38:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:23:55 PM EDT
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...... What J arm are you using? Just the milspec one that came with my PVS14 Rhino mount. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:28:14 PM EDT
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Interesting, the ATN rep made it sound like there weren't any mounts for the Spirit model monocular.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:37:32 PM EDT
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Interesting, the ATN rep made it sound like there weren't any mounts for the Spirit model monocular. Well, it screws into it, but I can't say that it will all line up and work exactly right on my helmet (haven't tried it yet). |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:53:40 PM EDT
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I'm debating on keeping it when it gets here or send it back and upgrade to the PVS-7
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it screws into it, but I can't say that it will all line up and work exactly right on my helmet (haven't tried it yet). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting, the ATN rep made it sound like there weren't any mounts for the Spirit model monocular. Well, it screws into it, but I can't say that it will all line up and work exactly right on my helmet (haven't tried it yet). <Advertising removed- JLA> |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <Advertising removed- JLA> Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting, the ATN rep made it sound like there weren't any mounts for the Spirit model monocular. Well, it screws into it, but I can't say that it will all line up and work exactly right on my helmet (haven't tried it yet). <Advertising removed- JLA> Thanks for the info |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:04:45 PM EDT
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I just spotted this thread, I don't usually look in the night vision forum. snip... Richard Pure coincidence that you happened upon this thread where your shills are pimping this 2nd or 3rd rate gear? Let me guess, do you also have some "waterfront property" along the Gulf of Mexico coast for sale at a very low price per acre? Geez mods, this is so transparent... |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:09:09 PM EDT
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Pure coincidence that you happened upon this thread where your shills are pimping this 2nd or 3rd rate gear? Let me guess, do you also have some "waterfront property" along the Gulf of Mexico coast for sale at a very low price per acre? Geez mods, this is so transparent... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just spotted this thread, I don't usually look in the night vision forum. snip... Richard Pure coincidence that you happened upon this thread where your shills are pimping this 2nd or 3rd rate gear? Let me guess, do you also have some "waterfront property" along the Gulf of Mexico coast for sale at a very low price per acre? Geez mods, this is so transparent... Popcorn! 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:02:11 AM EDT
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Pure coincidence that you happened upon this thread where your shills are pimping this 2nd or 3rd rate gear? Let me guess, do you also have some "waterfront property" along the Gulf of Mexico coast for sale at a very low price per acre? Geez mods, this is so transparent... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just spotted this thread, I don't usually look in the night vision forum. snip... Richard Pure coincidence that you happened upon this thread where your shills are pimping this 2nd or 3rd rate gear? Let me guess, do you also have some "waterfront property" along the Gulf of Mexico coast for sale at a very low price per acre? Geez mods, this is so transparent...  I noticed it as well. They were having so much fun with it I kept my mouth shut.  Even when I judged the quality of the PVS-14 on Gunbroker everyone just kept saying how great they are so I gave up... It is a thinly veiled sales thread though. Had the guy that sells these not magically appeared it might have passed the smell test.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:45:30 AM EDT
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I noticed it as well. They were having so much fun with it I kept my mouth shut. Even when I judged the quality of the PVS-14 on Gunbroker everyone just kept saying how great they are so I gave up... It is a thinly veiled sales thread though. Had the guy that sells these not magically appeared it might have passed the smell test.
Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:55:14 AM EDT
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Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I noticed it as well. They were having so much fun with it I kept my mouth shut. Even when I judged the quality of the PVS-14 on Gunbroker everyone just kept saying how great they are so I gave up... It is a thinly veiled sales thread though. Had the guy that sells these not magically appeared it might have passed the smell test.
Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them It's a good thread (to an extent) if one is interested in cheap beater NODs, but Apex is advertising without a dealers account. That's a slap to Vic and all the other reps who pay good money to sell here if it's allowed to continue. The fact that this thread is being allowed to continue while so obviously in violation of the rules shows the good nature of some of our vendors. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:55:40 AM EDT
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Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I noticed it as well. They were having so much fun with it I kept my mouth shut. Even when I judged the quality of the PVS-14 on Gunbroker everyone just kept saying how great they are so I gave up... It is a thinly veiled sales thread though. Had the guy that sells these not magically appeared it might have passed the smell test.
Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them This. I have multiple projects going right now including a custom bolt gun. I don't have a spare $3000 laying around for a new PVS 14 |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:56:42 AM EDT
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Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I noticed it as well. They were having so much fun with it I kept my mouth shut. Even when I judged the quality of the PVS-14 on Gunbroker everyone just kept saying how great they are so I gave up... It is a thinly veiled sales thread though. Had the guy that sells these not magically appeared it might have passed the smell test.
Yeah, I have no affiliation with Apex... Not everyone wants to spend $1500-$5000 on a toy, so when reasonably priced things come along it shouldn't be shocking that people are interested in them That's the thing... Their beat to shit PVS-14 is running $1500-1600! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:51:57 AM EDT
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So let's see what we have here hardware wise:
-Devices that were low performers even when they were brand spanking new. -Devices that have clearly been beat to crap. -A seller who claims to not know much about NV and published specs that are vague. -A seller who didn't even bother to clean the dirt off the devices. -A whopping 7-day warranty, which is most certainly better than a "no returns" policy. Pretty much everyone including me is a cheap bastard, especially when the purchase being considered has some significant $$$ associated with it. But there is a big difference between good value and just cheap. What concerns me about this thread is that crap is being peddled as "good" stuff. It starts with a shill OP, the seller coincidentally jumps in 11 hours later even though he never has posted in this forum previously, and then a few folks who also never post in this forum rave about how good the devices are....if it quacks. I think that is wonderful for good value options to be presented in this forum for folks with a lower price point limit because it gets more individuals exposed to the wonderful technology. But when these beat up mediocre-to-begin-with devices start crapping out, folks who might otherwise have had a favorable I^2 experience will have had a negative one instead, and that is not good for the community. So long as the buyer accepts that they are taking a very significant risk on something like this to get a low performing device such that they can claim "I have NV", it is all good. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:17:42 PM EDT
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So let's see what we have here hardware wise: -Devices that were low performers even when they were brand spanking new. -Devices that have clearly been beat to crap. -A seller who claims to not know much about NV and published specs that are vague. -A seller who didn't even bother to clean the dirt off the devices. -A whopping 7-day warranty, which is most certainly better than a "no returns" policy. Pretty much everyone including me is a cheap bastard, especially when the purchase being considered has some significant $$$ associated with it. But there is a big difference between good value and just cheap. What concerns me about this thread is that crap is being peddled as "good" stuff. It starts with a shill OP, the seller coincidentally jumps in 11 hours later even though he never has posted in this forum previously, and then a few folks who also never post in this forum rave about how good the devices are....if it quacks. I think that is wonderful for good value options to be presented in this forum for folks with a lower price point limit because it gets more individuals exposed to the wonderful technology. But when these beat up mediocre-to-begin-with devices start crapping out, folks who might otherwise have had a favorable I^2 experience will have had a negative one instead, and that is not good for the community. So long as the buyer accepts that they are taking a very significant risk on something like this to get a low performing device such that they can claim "I have NV", it is all good. "D-3" "HIT!" "You sank my Battleship!"
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:20:10 PM EDT
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Edit, nevermind, it isn't worth arguing. That's what the ignore button is for.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:51:29 PM EDT
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So tell me how my gen 2 export tube is inherently low performing because..... It wasn't sold by tnvc and you didn't spend 2k on it. Arfcommers would sell their soul for a good deal on any given Sunday.
I happened to score a very decent deal on mum series monocular but that makes me a shill because it disrupts this exclusive PVS-14 only community? Of course that makes perfect sense. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:54:38 PM EDT
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So tell me how my gen 2 export tube is inherently low performing because..... It wasn't sold by tnvc and you didn't spend 2k on it. Arfcommers would sell their soul for a good deal on any given Sunday. I happened to score a very decent deal on mum series monocular but that makes me a shill because it disrupts this exclusive PVS-14 only community? Of course that makes perfect sense. That's not what anyone is saying. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:55:56 PM EDT
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Well, the Apex auction has come and gone with zero bids.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:11:07 PM EDT
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I've done business with Apex before (although not involving night vision) and have been pleased. I don't see them making any false claims, besides some typical advertising puffery about these being used overseas. I don't think anyone is expecting Gen III quality out of these, and the guys who have received them so far have been happy with what they got for the money. Not everyone can shell out the money for a top of the line unit. Personally, if the image quality matches what I've seen so far then I'll be pleased with what I got for $400. I will post pics when it gets here. Regardless of the quality of the hardware, I wonder how murderman is so certain that OP is a shill? If he is, he's had quite a few posts before he started shilling for Apex. I would refrain from accusations and personal attacks without proof. This isn't GD.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:17:53 PM EDT
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So tell me how my gen 2 export tube is inherently low performing because..... It wasn't sold by tnvc and you didn't spend 2k on it. Arfcommers would sell their soul for a good deal on any given Sunday. I happened to score a very decent deal on mum series monocular but that makes me a shill because it disrupts this exclusive PVS-14 only community? Of course that makes perfect sense. That's not what anyone is saying. Agreed. I didn't want one of you guys to get screwed buying that piece of junk PVS-14 for 1600 bucks. I guess I am wrong for that. The point is it is a shill thread and against the rules. The scopes are low performing and "well" used. Some may be a good deal and others junk. The guys here are trying to make sure others with less experience know exactly what they are buying. I have no issue with guys getting into night vision on the cheap. I built scopes from parts back in the day because I could not afford a new one. I share what I know in hopes that others don't lose money like I have in the past trying to learn. We didn't have the benefit of these forums and information was hard to come by in the past. Most of the "old" guys learned by trial and error. I am not trying to come off as a PVS-14 elitist at all. I mostly use a PVS-7 anyhow...
The fact that paying dealers and others have "looked the other way" shows how they are pretty generous. I don't think anyone is threatened by someone selling some beater scopes. It gets more people interested in night vision which is good. They will one day want something better which will benefit paying dealers. I am never going to sit back and lie to folks though. If it is junk I am going to tell you regardless of whose feelings get hurt. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:31:50 PM EDT
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So tell me how my gen 2 export tube is inherently low performing because..... It wasn't sold by tnvc and you didn't spend 2k on it. Arfcommers would sell their soul for a good deal on any given Sunday. I happened to score a very decent deal on mum series monocular but that makes me a shill because it disrupts this exclusive PVS-14 only community? Of course that makes perfect sense. By definition, legal export tubes are FOM limited, and are thus "low performing" by current US standards. Are there some snobs here including me, absolutely, but that isn't the point at hand. The important consideration is not that these devices will perform to moderate standards, but for how long? They have been advertised as rode hard and put up wet. For the price, that doesn't represent good value from a risk-reward perspective when compared with other options at similar price point. One might get lucky, or one might not. Considering the context of not having boatloads of discretionary income, that factor becomes ever more important I have used some really nice Gen2+ devices, so I am not at all opposed to that concept even though I can afford higher resolution and SNR. Roll the dice, and hope for 7 or 11. Repeat that 100 or 1,000 times when you go out in the dark. Might as well buy a lottery ticket while you are at it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:37:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm debating on keeping it when it gets here or send it back and upgrade to the PVS-7 If you ordered from APEX just contact my SALES office, my people will be happy to assist you. The contact info is on the web site, the APEX Gun Parts banner at the bottom of this page will take you there. You can call or e-mail customer service. Richard |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:50:57 PM EDT
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It appears that Apex is a vendor sponsor. I don't think this thread was ever intended to be any kind of a advertising ploy. IMO, the comments that Apex has made have been informative and unbiased. As others have stated, this is a good way to test out NV without having to fork out 3 to 5k.
I bought one of the ps-14 units and I am happy with it so far. I know very little about nv, but. I have looked at the TNVC gen comparisons sticky many times, and it looks to be on par for gen 2. I have ordered a skate helmet, mount, ir light, and laser. Everything total is less than $1100, and I think I could recover 75% of my investment if nv is not for me. If I have even half as much fun as I am expecting, I will probably upgrade to gen 3 or 4 and keep this as a backup or loaner. At that point, I will definitely be giving the guys at TNVC a holler |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:06:47 PM EDT
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It appears that Apex is a vendor sponsor. I don't think this thread was ever intended to be any kind of a advertising ploy. IMO, the comments that Apex has made have been informative and unbiased. As others have stated, this is a good way to test out NV without having to fork out 3 to 5k. I bought one of the ps-14 units and I am happy with it so far. I know very little about nv, but. I have looked at the TNVC gen comparisons sticky many times, and it looks to be on par for gen 2. I have ordered a skate helmet, mount, ir light, and laser. Everything total is less than $1100, and I think I could recover 75% of my investment if nv is not for me. If I have even half as much fun as I am expecting, I will probably upgrade to gen 3 or 4 and keep this as a backup or loaner. At that point, I will definitely be giving the guys at TNVC a holler Put some pics of the PS-14 up when you get it. |
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