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Link Posted: 1/19/2014 5:14:58 AM EST
What could be described as small and what feature does it give up.

I'm not really that worried about price point
Link Posted: 1/19/2014 10:52:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mplv:
What could be described as small and what feature does it give up.

I'm not really that worried about price point
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The illuminator is what's big. Give that up and you get small, as in the CQBL. If you want the Class I illuminator it's going to be big.
That's just the way it is right now.
Link Posted: 1/19/2014 11:25:18 AM EST
So you could run that and then add a twist off illuminator if there isn't enough moonlight?
Link Posted: 1/19/2014 6:59:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mplv:
So you could run that and then add a twist off illuminator if there isn't enough moonlight?
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Yup. The illuminators work great for shining and spotting eyes or anything reflective for that matter.
You should talk to the guys at TNVC. They'll hook you up with exactly what you need.
Link Posted: 1/20/2014 5:17:21 AM EST
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Surefire XVL2 on SSD.
Apparently there will be a civilian class 3 version
http://soldiersystems.net/2014/01/20/shot-show-surefire-xvl2/
ETA: Looks like this is more of a rifle unit. Hopefully this means they're coming out with the x400v-IR as well for pistols.
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 10:19:50 AM EST
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Keep this discussion on track……. <coctailer>

Edited...VA-gunnut
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 10:28:04 AM EST
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Cleaning up……. <coctailer>
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 10:35:54 AM EST
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Cleaning up……. <coctailer>
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 11:47:19 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/21/2014 12:19:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Deltastone:


So instead of making the laser box that is sure to sell millions of dollars worth of units that is already well known and has numerous people still waiting on it's release a year after it was announced... They use their free production capability to make a laser add on that no one asked for that attaches to an outdated optic... And has already existed for years (EOLAD)

I... I really don't understand...?
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Originally Posted By Deltastone:
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
EOTech Pictures


So instead of making the laser box that is sure to sell millions of dollars worth of units that is already well known and has numerous people still waiting on it's release a year after it was announced... They use their free production capability to make a laser add on that no one asked for that attaches to an outdated optic... And has already existed for years (EOLAD)

I... I really don't understand...?


How is the EOThingy an "outdated" optic?
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 12:41:47 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/21/2014 1:59:56 PM EST
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Cleaning up……. <coctailer>
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 5:57:31 PM EST
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Cleaning up……. <coctailer>
Link Posted: 1/21/2014 7:45:10 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/22/2014 4:43:11 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/22/2014 4:43:12 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/22/2014 4:50:33 AM EST
Unsuscribed.

Soundtrack to page three of this thread should be Ozzy's Going off the Rails on a Crazy Train.
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 5:04:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


How is the EOThingy an "outdated" optic?
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Deltastone:
Originally Posted By Dino1130:
EOTech Pictures


So instead of making the laser box that is sure to sell millions of dollars worth of units that is already well known and has numerous people still waiting on it's release a year after it was announced... They use their free production capability to make a laser add on that no one asked for that attaches to an outdated optic... And has already existed for years (EOLAD)

I... I really don't understand...?


How is the EOThingy an "outdated" optic?


Because the EXPS/XPS series is superior in every way to the older 5XX series?
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 5:06:29 AM EST
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Cleaning up……. <coctailer>
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Link Posted: 1/22/2014 5:45:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 7:34:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Keep this discussion on track.

There are people that want to hear about the thread topic, and not bickering.
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Thank you sir.
Link Posted: 1/23/2014 3:13:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/23/2014 3:13:25 AM EST by TCBA_Joe]
Surefire X400V-IR
WIll be available in both 5mw and a "C" version with a lower output.
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2014/01/23/shot-2014-surefire-x400v-ir/#more


Link Posted: 2/4/2014 12:10:14 PM EST
Looks like I missed one. Here is another Class I IR laser that debut'd at SHOT.



Class I IR laser, but only available with a white light. Aaaaahhhh What? How about some IR illum, Streamlight dudes?

Streamlights web page for the TLR IRW
Link Posted: 2/4/2014 2:34:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Surefire X400V-IR
WIll be available in both 5mw and a "C" version with a lower output.
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2014/01/23/shot-2014-surefire-x400v-ir/#more
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2014/01/OFF-SHOT-SureFire-X400V-web.jpg

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Wow. Ldi needs to get on the ball. Definitely going to pick up one of these for one of my rifles.
Link Posted: 2/4/2014 2:44:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By eodinert:
Looks like I missed one. Here is another Class I IR laser that debut'd at SHOT.

http://www.streamlight.com/static/image/product_large_image/tlr2-irw_logoed.jpg

Class I IR laser, but only available with a white light. Aaaaahhhh What? How about some IR illum, Streamlight dudes?

Streamlights web page for the TLR IRW
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Originally Posted By eodinert:
Looks like I missed one. Here is another Class I IR laser that debut'd at SHOT.

http://www.streamlight.com/static/image/product_large_image/tlr2-irw_logoed.jpg

Class I IR laser, but only available with a white light. Aaaaahhhh What? How about some IR illum, Streamlight dudes?

Streamlights web page for the TLR IRW

Wow. That's about as exciting as being kicked in the shins. I'm sure they'll sell, but it really highlights the fact IR laser mfgs see IR buyers as an afterthought; shoehorning IR diodes into visible units with no regards as to the IR illumination that's actually necessary.

Originally Posted By Joethe33:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Surefire X400V-IR
WIll be available in both 5mw and a "C" version with a lower output.
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2014/01/23/shot-2014-surefire-x400v-ir/#more
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2014/01/OFF-SHOT-SureFire-X400V-web.jpg


Wow. Ldi needs to get on the ball. Definitely going to pick up one of these for one of my rifles.

I'm really digging the X400V-IR for my pistol. Much more excited about it than the DBAL-PL.

Still waiting for CTC to expand their IR grip selection.
Link Posted: 2/4/2014 2:53:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I'm really digging the X400V-IR for my pistol. Much more excited about it than the DBAL-PL.
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Same here. I have been jonesing for this for years. TLR-IR with white light? WTF? I though that was a typo it is so useless.
Link Posted: 2/4/2014 3:19:51 PM EST
Another one waiting for the X400V-IR, I think it should do well on my SBR.
Link Posted: 2/4/2014 3:19:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 1:19:05 AM EST
I want a CQBL in green vis (hi/low would be nice but not required) and under $1,000. Come on LDI, I've heard its in the works...out with it already!
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 3:54:18 AM EST
Me too!
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 4:26:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Still waiting for CTC to expand their IR grip selection.
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If CTC would get off their ass and make a dual beam M&P I would be extremely happy.

Until then my CTC vis grips and a X400V-IR would make an excellent alternative.
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 6:57:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SHIFT_OneOffS14:
I want a CQBL in green vis (hi/low would be nice but not required) and under $1,000. Come on LDI, I've heard its in the works...out with it already!
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LDI has put the green CQBL on indefinite hold. It required a housing modification and it isn't a priority now.
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 7:05:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TDunn:


LDI has put the green CQBL on indefinite hold. It required a housing modification and it isn't a priority now.
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Originally Posted By TDunn:
Originally Posted By SHIFT_OneOffS14:
I want a CQBL in green vis (hi/low would be nice but not required) and under $1,000. Come on LDI, I've heard its in the works...out with it already!


LDI has put the green CQBL on indefinite hold. It required a housing modification and it isn't a priority now.

Maybe they're prioritizing a DBAL-D2 with a MK3/OV3-Gen3 type illuminator in place of the IR only illuminator.
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 8:01:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


Same here. I have been jonesing for this for years. TLR-IR with white light? WTF? I though that was a typo it is so useless.
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I'm really digging the X400V-IR for my pistol. Much more excited about it than the DBAL-PL.


Same here. I have been jonesing for this for years. TLR-IR with white light? WTF? I though that was a typo it is so useless.


Just ordered a TLR-2 IRW, going to try it out and investigate the possibility of swapping the IR diode and board in it.
Going on a suppressed M&P22lr!
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 2:21:46 PM EST
Before you do a LED swap, look for some drop in IR led/reflectors... they are out there for some other lights.
Link Posted: 2/6/2014 8:19:42 PM EST
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LDI has put the green CQBL on indefinite hold. It required a housing modification and it isn't a priority now.
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Originally Posted By TDunn:
Originally Posted By SHIFT_OneOffS14:
I want a CQBL in green vis (hi/low would be nice but not required) and under $1,000. Come on LDI, I've heard its in the works...out with it already!


LDI has put the green CQBL on indefinite hold. It required a housing modification and it isn't a priority now.

Figures...
Link Posted: 2/7/2014 3:48:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By eodinert:
Before you do a LED swap, look for some drop in IR led/reflectors... they are out there for some other lights.
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I already have a couple IR lights, just want an IR laser with illuminator in one package...
Is that really too much to ask for? Without having the TLR-2 in hand I can't tell whether or not the board from the TLR -1 IR will fit it.
From looking at pics it should
Link Posted: 2/8/2014 8:42:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Surefire X400V-IR
WIll be available in both 5mw and a "C" version with a lower output.
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2014/01/23/shot-2014-surefire-x400v-ir/#more
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2014/01/OFF-SHOT-SureFire-X400V-web.jpg

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Did anyone get a price or availability idea on these units? I was waiting for the LDI PL but thats on the back burner now with this coming out.
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